Ferrari 458 GT3 car + Tire Wear = Quite a handful. Any other cars like this?

[PirovacBoy]

It is the fastest Gr.3 car for me around The Nurb GP track by at least a second.

I first tried the car on Bathurst and really had to tip-toe, especially on hills.

Not only around Nurb, on almost any track. It is as far as I know the lightest Gr3 Car and has the best power to weight ratio, the trick is to get the power on the road and keep it there.

 

[Mr Satay]

So Ive found that putting the traction control on 2 works wonders for the Ferrari! I usually have it on 1, put it up to 2 and its made the car much more stable. I think 3 would be overkill tbh.

 

[GTFraker]

I did a few laps around Maggiore in the Ferrari and it has definitely improved, but it is still far from the stability of even the M6. As others have mentioned, it needs either TCS or CSA to be viable.

 

[tofuhero]

I did a few laps around Maggiore in the Ferrari and it has definitely improved, but it is still far from the stability of even the M6. As others have mentioned, it needs either TCS or CSA to be viable.

Yeah, I just ran the FIA Maggiore race and the car still presents issues, especially when dealing with tire wear. Putting on TC helps with stability, but I found that the TC also compounds the oversteer issue when turning in low gears.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Yeah, I just ran the FIA Maggiore race and the car still presents issues, especially when dealing with tire wear. Putting on TC helps with stability, but I found that the TC also compounds the oversteer issue when turning in low gears.

What TCS level are you on? And how exactly does it compound to the issue?

 

[tofuhero]

What TCS level are you on? And how exactly does it compound to the issue?

I was running TC 2 in the race. I noticed it most on the downhill hairpin. I tend to brake late, downshift to 2nd, cut in on that kurb with engine braking and then get on the gas coming out. Pre-update I pretty much ran the 458 with TC 0 (because I hate what TC does) and I had little problem taking that hairpin. With TC 2 today it seemed like the TC was sucking power into that turn, which caused big oversteer coming out of the hairpin.

Even though TC makes the car a bit more stable, I find it actually makes the car more unpredictable in some situations. At least with TC off I know that it's me who screwed up.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I was running TC 2 in the race. I noticed it most on the downhill hairpin. I tend to brake late, downshift to 2nd, cut in on that kurb with engine braking and then get on the gas coming out. Pre-update I pretty much ran the 458 with TC 0 (because I hate what TC does) and I had little problem taking that hairpin. With TC 2 today it seemed like the TC was sucking power into that turn, which caused big oversteer coming out of the hairpin.

Even though TC makes the car a bit more stable, I find it actually makes the car more unpredictable in some situations. At least with TC off I know that it's me who screwed up.

Have you tried other MR cars on Maggiore? I think it's an inherent trait on MR cars to have a more central pivot point so it makes them turn in much faster. By giving the 458 a bit of throttle you introduce a bit of understeer so it doesn't turn in too much. With TCS taking away that stablizing understeer mid-corner, you suddenly have much more turn-in so you spin out

 

[Crazy Taylor]

The mazda6 gt3 is a pain. On Maggiore yesterday it ran out of fuel on the last lap. I know it's not tyres but thought I should mention it

 

[OrbitingCow]

458 is definitely improved to me. Good job PD.

 

[Mr Satay]

I was running TC 2 in the race. I noticed it most on the downhill hairpin. I tend to brake late, downshift to 2nd, cut in on that kurb with engine braking and then get on the gas coming out.

I had the same problem, took me 5 laps to work out what the hell was going on in that hairpin I was taking it like usual but the car would snap out, I lost at least half a second a lap to the top 3 every time it was so frustrating. I ended up driving around the issue but even yesterday in the Daily Nurburgring GR3 sprint race, in quali I was all good but in race trim the car was so unstable!

 

[Voodoovaj]

The are all much better when they are tuned, but in stock form I dislike them . The NSX is nearly undriveable on some tracks with the way the rear comes around. With CSA being a global setting, I shouldn't HAVE to use it just get a car to go around the track.

Personally, I think they failed to fix it.

 

[BSDShoes]

I was running TC 2 in the race.

I use TCS 1 if i need some traction, did use TCS 2 with the Huracan Gr3 a couple days ago when tires were going bad, the car is still a handful to drive with worn tires. But normally I'll go with TCS 1, it doesn't rob too much power and is still prone to spinning with too much throttle but it helps with tires wearing down.

The mazda6 gt3 is a pain.

I like the Atenza Gr3, very similar characteristics to the Genesis Gr3, but they do seem to be gas guzzlers.

 

[Sander 001]

Been doing the Lake Maggiorre race today mostly with the Porsche and tried the 458 and WTF!

I've used the 458 quite a bit previously and I call shenanigans on PD. It has much better grip at low speed but now it's dreadful in high speed corners. You get understeer sometimes and oversteer at other times, it's like PD reduced the downforce. The rear can lose grip in 4th gear maybe even 5th gear! The traction control often kicks in and slows you down during 200km\h sweepers!

By lap 5, the handling was so poor that I'd call it undriveable. Meanwhile, the Porsche handles better on 5 lap old tires than the Ferrari does on fresh ones!

 

[Voodoovaj]

They adjusted the "traction control" but that seems to be a layer beneath the TC that we all think of.

What they should have adjusted was the diff. When you tune these cars, they become much easier to drive. Stock, they are awful.

 

[John Crellin]

When you tune these cars, they become much easier to drive. Stock, they are awful

i see people say this a lot and I guess i dont know enough about tuning, but is it usually a case of too much LSD engagement or too little?

 

[Voodoovaj]

i see people say this a lot and I guess i dont know enough about tuning, but is it usually a case of too much LSD engagement or too little?

In this case, it's way too much. If you look at the deceleration values of the 458, Huracan, and NSX, they are at 30 when the others are at 20. They really need to be down in the teens.

When you get off the throttle, the engine braking is so strong it essentially locks the rears to an extent and send the the cars sideways into a corner. You can somewhat drive around it, but it's a real pain.

 

[R10tz0r]

I took an adventure this week with the mclarens,

so far the Gr3 I find oversteer on mid corner off throttle, I try to balance it with a bit of throttle and nose out so I have to lift a little to drag the front back in. it's such a delicate dance, when the tyres drop off it doesn't want to bite at all and you really have to scrub the speed off to get it round. get it right and the car is a blast, get it wrong and it becomes a pig.