Ferrari F2010 Brakes are not glowing.

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Ferrari F2010 Brakes are not glowing......

I suggest on future updates that the F1 car's brakes glow big its just so nice its a huge part of its appeal.

If you ask does it even glow? I've been to Abu Dhabi Grand Prix just this November when Sebastian Vettel became world champion :D

obviously for the F2007 it would never glow because of the carbon fiber wheel fairing on the wheel that made the cars less turbulent but in 2010 season and upwards they had been removed and outlawed by the FIA because the FIA found out that the carbon fiber wheel fairings made turbulence a lot less but at the same time made drivers less connected and were a bit slower than without the fairings but drivers had a lot harder time without the fairings then in 2010 season Ferrari decided to make a front aerodynamic wheel device but it had to be the same composite material as the front wheel itself and were dart-like circles so the brakes are still very visible and were still cooled as normal as other F1 cars , and on the rear its still a normal wheel same as all teams. , Ferrari made an aerodynamic device which again had to be the same composite material as the wheel itself and were dart-like circles to make turbulence in a different way which was believed to increase performance by funneling air on a dart-like circle basis. Other teams wanted to copy Ferrari's but weren't allowed to for the year that the device was made so Ferrari was the only team in 2010 season to have the dart-like circles front wheel device.


I was up front seated near where the green yacht is with a green helicopter on it and another big yacht behind it facing beside the yacht's was the straight line and I was seated on that part where they the heavy braking was and the explosive down shifts especially the McLaren MP4-25 Lewis Hamilton's and Jenson Button's the down shifts were so loud it was unbelievable the rest were different.... the Ferrari had its own kind of sound detail too but it wasn't as brutal as the McLaren's sound. The Cosworth wasn't as good as the McLaren's or the Ferrari's and the Renault's was the smoothest was trash compared to McLaren's but obviously the RB6 that won the world champion and the constructor's championship had a renault engine in it although its unreliable sometimes. because of the sound I did not bother putting on the ear plugs I am telling you watching F1 GP live is MIND BLOWING your point of view of motorsports racing will be changed forever!!

Also some facts about the Yas Marina Island the island was man made specifically to be a part of the F1 grand prix and obviously most kinds of FIA motor sports racing like the GT3 cup / GP2 which was in the GP too! they've got Ferrari World too which is like a huge mall and the grand stands alone were like malls each.

Also up close to when Krulli's lotus f1 car starts breaking down. Oh and Michael Schumacher almost got killed on the first lap and was scared but will still drive for 2011 season.

The molten brakes of the F1 cars were so visible and so nice to look at :)

Up close live although he was pole and had the fastest car in 2010 season so Sebastian Vettel I learnt his style to give Lewis Hamilton no chance to get pole. Was also there when he was qualifying not saying I know all of his talent but I know a chunk of it.

Anyways Id love to see the brakes glow again its one of the biggest appeal's of the F1 car.

Also there was a guy who had bought an expensive proffesional camera seated near me just to take pictures of the cars that were passing
the guy looked up first then when he looked down the mclaren was gone was funny.

Also ABS have been banned from F1 long time ago

F1 cars rely on down force and slicks and F1 technology for braking although its still turbulent on turn in braking.
in GT5 though you need ABS but in real life you do not.

As you can see this is how the Ferrari F10's wheel looks like in real life. The problem with the GT5 front wheel of the F10 is that the BBS ring part is too big I have been examining how big the BBS ring part is and its as big as the one on the rear wheel which as you can see at the real F10 picture the BBS ring part on the front wheel is 2x smaller than the rear wheel's BBS ring part.
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This is causing the brakes in GT5 not to show and most especially it doesn't show the real front wheel of the real ferrari F10.

This is the rear wheel very - The rear wheel in GT5 looks exactly like this :
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It is wonderful but the front wheel in GT5 has the BBS ring part too big which ruins the design and doesn't show the brakes which doesn't show the real design of F10's front wheel and which won't show the glow but it should show the glow of the brake.


This is the picture of the F10 (light braking only)

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by: sinner in singapore gp
(Light braking)
This was a bad angle shot for the brakes' glow to fully show :( and it was only light braking.

When I went to abu dhabi GP I was at the heavy braking point in fact around 300+ kmh to around 70 kmh braking point

The Ferrari F10's brake glow was very visible and clear on the front and the back

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They glow, but most cars now runs some kind of covered disc to control the airflow INSIDE the wheel between the disc and the wheel. Most cars now you can't actually see the brake disc anymore...

http://www.autoevolution.com/news-image/how-does-f1-suspension-work-6695-1.html

Notice the black carbon pieces sandwiching the actual brake disc


No more wheel fairings (wheel covers that make the car less turbulent) for 2010 season which is already over.
You don't follow F1 do you? there are no wheel covers for 2010 season.
 
Traded your Formula GT and got the F10? Can you paint it? :)

nope I wish I could my car would have looked like a McLaren MP4-25 F1 car if it was chrome but then again my chrome paint is gone :( I dont really care because you cant use chrome paint on race cars but I still have my Chrome Ferrari Enzo (note that you cant duplicate paints by sending)
 
Brakes
Brakes - Ferrari brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 3, Bahrain Grand Prix, Practice Day, Bahrain International Circuit, Bahrain, Friday 13 April 2007. World © Sutton Brakes - Pedro de la Rosa (ESP) McLaren Mercedes MP4/21 locks a wheel under braking. Formula One World Championship, Rd 18, Brazilian Grand Prix, Qualifying Day, Interlagos, Brazil, 21 October 2006. World © Capilitan/Sutton McLaren MP4/25 brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 5, Spanish Grand Prix, Preparations, Barcelona, Spain, Thursday, 6 May 2010 Red Bull Racing RB6 brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 3, Malaysian Grand Prix, Practice Day, Sepang, Malaysia, Friday, 2 April 2010 Ferrari F10 brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 5, Spanish Grand Prix, Preparations, Barcelona, Spain, Thursday, 6 May 2010

When it comes to the business of slowing down, Formula One cars are surprisingly closely related to their road-going cousins. Indeed as ABS anti-skid systems have been banned from Formula One racing, most modern road cars can lay claim to having considerably cleverer retardation.

The principle of braking is simple: slowing an object by removing kinetic energy from it. Formula One cars have disc brakes (like most road-cars) with rotating discs (attached to the wheels) being squeezed between two brake pads by the action of a hydraulic calliper. This turns a car's momentum into large amounts of heat and light - note the way Formula One brake discs glow yellow hot.

In the same way that too much power applied through a wheel will cause it to spin, too much braking will cause it to lock as the brakes overpower the available levels of grip from the tyre. Formula One previously allowed anti-skid braking systems (which would reduce the brake pressure to allow the wheel to turn again and then continue to slow it at the maximum possible rate) but these were banned in the 1990s. Braking therefore remains one of the sternest tests of a Formula One driver's skill.

The technical regulations also require that each car has a twin-circuit hydraulic braking system with two separate reservoirs for the front and rear wheels. This ensures that, even in the event of one complete circuit failure, braking should still be available through the second circuit. The amount of braking power going to the front and rear circuits can be 'biased' by a control in the cockpit, allowing a driver to stabilise handling or take account of falling fuel load. Under normal operation about 60 percent of braking power goes to the front wheels which, because of load transfer under deceleration, take the brunt of the retardation duties. (Think of what would happen if you tried to slow down a skateboard with a tennis ball on it).

In one area F1 brakes are empirically more advanced than road-car systems: materials. All the cars on the grid now use carbon fibre composite brake discs which save weight and are able to operate at higher temperatures than steel discs. A typical Formula One brake disc weighs about 1.5 kg (versus 3.0 kg for the similar sized steel discs used in the American CART series). These are gripped by special compound brake pads and are capable of running at vast temperatures - anything up to 750 degrees Celsius. Previously different sized discs would be used for qualifying and racing, but the 2003 changes to the rules means that all cars enter parc ferme after qualifying - and so therefore set their one-lap time on their race brakes.

Formula One brakes are remarkably efficient. In combination with the modern advanced tyre compounds they have dramatically reduced braking distances. It takes a Formula One car considerably less distance to stop from 160 km/h than a road car uses to stop from 100 km/h. So good are the brakes that the regulations deliberately discourage development through restrictions on materials or design, to prevent even shorter braking distances rendering overtaking all but impossible.

Since 2009 teams have had the option of harnessing the waste energy generated by the car’s braking process and reusing it via a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) to provide additional engine power, which can be made available to a driver in short bursts to help facilitate overtaking.
 
Sorry to get off topic here but i just want to confirm that the neither of the Ferrari's F1 race cars can be used in Aspec or bspec? I've seen some posts on other forums say you can use them, and some on here saying you can't.
 
nope I wish I could my car would have looked like a McLaren MP4-25 F1 car if it was chrome but then again my chrome paint is gone :( I dont really care because you cant use chrome paint on race cars but I still have my Chrome Ferrari Enzo (note that you cant duplicate paints by sending)

For sure. Would've been nice for some divesity. It'll be weird to race with 15 other red F10's online... "Omg, where's my teamate?" I'm praying there's still hope for other teams to come in as DLC (i.e. Red Bull) I won't even mind if it will cost a few $$$.

GTPlanet F1 Championship would be EPIC.

BTW, would you consider trading your F10? I have 2 unused stealth codes (SLS, McLaren, Logano) and some other high powered premiums.

Sorry to get off topic here but i just want to confirm that the neither of the Ferrari's F1 race cars can be used in Aspec or bspec? I've seen some posts on other forums say you can use them, and some on here saying you can't.

Well, you can use it in Arcade Mode, otherwise, racing it online would be fine and dandy for me...
 
For sure. Would've been nice for some divesity. It'll be weird to race with 15 other red F10's online... "Omg, where's my teamate?" I'm praying there's still hope for other teams to come in as DLC (i.e. Red Bull) I won't even mind if it will cost a few $$$.

GTPlanet F1 Championship would be EPIC.

BTW, would you consider trading your F10? I have 2 unused stealth codes (SLS, McLaren, Logano) and some other high powered premiums.



Well, you can use it in Arcade Mode, otherwise, racing it online would be fine and dandy for me...


I'm sure you can trade your stealth code easily for F10

just find someone reputable

Also you can't use F10 car in A spec of B spec only for practice and F1 designated online races (ferrari f1 only race setting).

To me its worth every bit though just to do replay shots and practice in the practice mode and sometimes go with someone who has one online

anyways im off to bed
 
Oh trust me, the brakes of F1 cars definitely do glow. Oh how they glow. Even in 2009, when wheel covers were the rage, the glowing brake discs can be seen, although it was a lot harder.

How do I know? Well, these were taken last year at the Singapore Singtel F1 2009:

glowing_brakes01.jpg


glowing_brakes02.jpg


glowing_brakes03.jpg
 
Enzo ~ The sound you heard from the McLaren was also probably due to their exhaust-blown-diffuser, which is very noticeable on the engine overrun/off-throttle... a very distinct, crackling sound.

F1 brakes have, and probably always will, glow...
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The F10 has those slotted-vents so it's a bit difficult to see...
5061212698_a31aba1557_b.jpg


Testing
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Brakes
Brakes - Ferrari brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 3, Bahrain Grand Prix, Practice Day, Bahrain International Circuit, Bahrain, Friday 13 April 2007. World © Sutton Brakes - Pedro de la Rosa (ESP) McLaren Mercedes MP4/21 locks a wheel under braking. Formula One World Championship, Rd 18, Brazilian Grand Prix, Qualifying Day, Interlagos, Brazil, 21 October 2006. World © Capilitan/Sutton McLaren MP4/25 brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 5, Spanish Grand Prix, Preparations, Barcelona, Spain, Thursday, 6 May 2010 Red Bull Racing RB6 brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 3, Malaysian Grand Prix, Practice Day, Sepang, Malaysia, Friday, 2 April 2010 Ferrari F10 brake detail. Formula One World Championship, Rd 5, Spanish Grand Prix, Preparations, Barcelona, Spain, Thursday, 6 May 2010

When it comes to the business of slowing down, Formula One cars are surprisingly closely related to their road-going cousins. Indeed as ABS anti-skid systems have been banned from Formula One racing, most modern road cars can lay claim to having considerably cleverer retardation.

The principle of braking is simple: slowing an object by removing kinetic energy from it. Formula One cars have disc brakes (like most road-cars) with rotating discs (attached to the wheels) being squeezed between two brake pads by the action of a hydraulic calliper. This turns a car's momentum into large amounts of heat and light - note the way Formula One brake discs glow yellow hot.

In the same way that too much power applied through a wheel will cause it to spin, too much braking will cause it to lock as the brakes overpower the available levels of grip from the tyre. Formula One previously allowed anti-skid braking systems (which would reduce the brake pressure to allow the wheel to turn again and then continue to slow it at the maximum possible rate) but these were banned in the 1990s. Braking therefore remains one of the sternest tests of a Formula One driver's skill.

The technical regulations also require that each car has a twin-circuit hydraulic braking system with two separate reservoirs for the front and rear wheels. This ensures that, even in the event of one complete circuit failure, braking should still be available through the second circuit. The amount of braking power going to the front and rear circuits can be 'biased' by a control in the cockpit, allowing a driver to stabilise handling or take account of falling fuel load. Under normal operation about 60 percent of braking power goes to the front wheels which, because of load transfer under deceleration, take the brunt of the retardation duties. (Think of what would happen if you tried to slow down a skateboard with a tennis ball on it).

In one area F1 brakes are empirically more advanced than road-car systems: materials. All the cars on the grid now use carbon fibre composite brake discs which save weight and are able to operate at higher temperatures than steel discs. A typical Formula One brake disc weighs about 1.5 kg (versus 3.0 kg for the similar sized steel discs used in the American CART series). These are gripped by special compound brake pads and are capable of running at vast temperatures - anything up to 750 degrees Celsius. Previously different sized discs would be used for qualifying and racing, but the 2003 changes to the rules means that all cars enter parc ferme after qualifying - and so therefore set their one-lap time on their race brakes.

Formula One brakes are remarkably efficient. In combination with the modern advanced tyre compounds they have dramatically reduced braking distances. It takes a Formula One car considerably less distance to stop from 160 km/h than a road car uses to stop from 100 km/h. So good are the brakes that the regulations deliberately discourage development through restrictions on materials or design, to prevent even shorter braking distances rendering overtaking all but impossible.

Since 2009 teams have had the option of harnessing the waste energy generated by the car’s braking process and reusing it via a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) to provide additional engine power, which can be made available to a driver in short bursts to help facilitate overtaking.

Nice breakdown of facts, very educative :)

One thing I would like to add is the powerful engine braking in F1 cars; If you take your foot off the throttle in an F1 car, it brakes harder then if you'd floor the brakes of let's say, a reasonably priced car (with ABS).

Not that I have any actual experience in driving an F1 car, but this has come up in several interviews with drivers and engineers on the BBC
 
I'm praying there's still hope for other teams to come in as DLC (i.e. Red Bull) I won't even mind if it will cost a few $$$.

Same here, I would be the first to download it. One idea I had was was for Adrian Newey and Red Bull to design a brand new f1 car for GT5 which is in no way connected to the RB6, but looks and performs suspiciously like it :sly:
 
Oh trust me, the brakes of F1 cars definitely do glow. Oh how they glow. Even in 2009, when wheel covers were the rage, the glowing brake discs can be seen, although it was a lot harder.

How do I know? Well, these were taken last year at the Singapore Singtel F1 2009:

glowing_brakes01.jpg


glowing_brakes02.jpg


glowing_brakes03.jpg

2009 is different from 2010 season the wheel fairings (wheel covers that make the car less turbulent)
Have been outlawed by the FIA. Every team used it with different designs that's why you couldn't see the glow hehe :) 2010 now

Where I was seated in Abu dhabi GP on this :
Almost 1000 degrees infact (300+ kmh - less than 100 )



2010 season upwards
It also depends if the drive puts
his foot on the brakes atleast half :) if not you are seated on the wrong spot.

What I mean by heavy braking point is like before the chicane in Suzuka :)
other than that chicane in Suzuka they do not do heavy braking that much only tapping of brakes , letting go of the throttle. The only heavy braking in Suzuka is the before/after the bridge and before
the chicane and actually at before the flat-out corner before the straight there's heavy braking too :)

(300+ kmh - less than 100 kmh)

Oh and you watched 2009 season you will never see it in 2009 haha

So you watch f1 nexttime you will see it.

You wanna make sure a great spot too.
 
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Enzo ~ The sound you heard from the McLaren was also probably due to their exhaust-blown-diffuser, which is very noticeable on the engine overrun/off-throttle... a very distinct, crackling sound.

F1 brakes have, and probably always will, glow...
5167739574_0141f549bf_b.jpg


The F10 has those slotted-vents so it's a bit difficult to see...
5061212698_a31aba1557_b.jpg


Testing
4340015347_3bd2f21529_o.jpg


Up close to the testing picture 3rd one that is very visible but you took the shot too far away. Well obviously in Ferrari test track you can't get close. Although that 3rd picture was only the testing. Ferrari did put and have an aerodynamic wheel device like a vent but was only allowed by the FIA if it had the same composite material as the wheel's the 2nd picture shows that and still has glow on picture it's still visible but in real life I saw it 100% on the 300-80 kmh braking point.
And yes the F10 was the only one that had that for the season but it still had glow in it also that's only for the front but you could still see the glow on the front wheel. The picture doesn't really show a good glow of that because it was taken on a different angle. But it did glow on the front as well but then again the middle covered with holes but just that middle chunk only that's why you could still see most of the glow


But you could still see it :) Up close live it's still very visible on the F10
 
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Do brakes glow on Group C cars? Or any race cars? I keep forgetting to check.

It depends if it's a steel brake it wouldn't for sure

Carbon ceramics or carbon or ceramic usually used in performance road cars or racing cars do.


Some cars have steel discs which are cross drilled with little holes which may look it would glow if used a lot

But it doesn't it has to be ceramic or carbon fiber composite disc
 
It depends if it's a steel brake it wouldn't for sure

Carbon ceramics or carbon or ceramic usually used in performance road cars or racing cars do.


Some cars have steel discs which are cross drilled with little holes which may look it would glow if used a lot

But it doesn't it has to be ceramic or carbon fiber composite disc

Steel disc can glow also. Just at different temperature....go watch any NASCAR race around a shorter track at night and they have glowing brake also....

http://torontogp.blogspot.com/2010/09/ncts-at-barrie-speedway.html
 
Ferrari F2010 Brakes are not glowing......

I suggest on future updates that the F1 car's brakes glow big its just so nice its a huge part of its appeal.

If you ask does it even glow? I've been to Abu Dhabi Grand Prix just this November when Sebastian Vettel became world champion :D



I was up front seated near where the green yacht is with a green helicopter on it and another big yacht behind it facing beside the yacht's was the straight line and I was seated on that part where they the heavy braking was and the explosive down shifts especially the McLaren MP4-25 Lewis Hamilton's and Jenson Button's the down shifts were so loud it was unbelievable the rest were different.... the Ferrari had its own kind of sound detail too but it wasn't as brutal as the McLaren's sound. The Cosworth wasn't as good as the McLaren's or the Ferrari's and the Renault's was the smoothest was trash compared to McLaren's but obviously the RB6 that won the world champion and the constructor's championship had a renault engine in it although its unreliable sometimes. because of the sound I did not bother putting on the ear plugs I am telling you watching F1 GP live is MIND BLOWING your point of view of motorsports racing will be changed forever!!

Also up close to when Krulli's lotus f1 car starts breaking down. Oh and Michael Schumacher almost got killed on the first lap and was scared but will still drive for 2011 season.

The molten brakes of the F1 cars were so visible and so nice to look at :)

Up close live although he was pole and had the fastest car in 2010 season so Sebastian Vettel I learnt his style to give Lewis Hamilton no chance to get pole. Was also there when he was qualifying not saying I know all of his talent but I know a chunk of it.

Anyways Id love to see the brakes glow again its one of the biggest appeal's of the F1 car.

Also there was a guy who had bought an expensive proffesional camera seated near me just to take pictures of the cars that were passing
the guy looked up first then when he looked down the mclaren was gone was funny.

Also ABS have been banned from F1 long time ago

F1 cars rely on down force and slicks and F1 technology for braking although its still turbulent on turn in braking.
in GT5 though you need ABS but in real life you do not.

I find the same issue in GT4. There are times (in replay mode) when I can easily see the disc glowing after a few corners. And on different occasion on the same track with the same car, the brake doesn't seem to glow at all. You might want to check at different and several occasion and see if it's consistently not glowing. After reading what you said regarding watching F1 race in person, I can't wait to see mine soon. I'm close enough to Montreal that I might make it to the race next June.
 
I find the same issue in GT4. There are times (in replay mode) when I can easily see the disc glowing after a few corners. And on different occasion on the same track with the same car, the brake doesn't seem to glow at all. You might want to check at different and several occasion and see if it's consistently not glowing. After reading what you said regarding watching F1 race in person, I can't wait to see mine soon. I'm close enough to Montreal that I might make it to the race next June.

I have been to 4 Grand Prixs (2002 France, 2004 British, 2006 French, 2009 British) and I can confirm that the noise is one of the most wonderful things in the world. Okay, the current rev-limited V8s aren't quite on-par with the 2004 Honda V10 engine in the BAR 006* (if you could have a more perfect sound, I would love to hear it) but they are still by-far the best sounding racing machines on earth. Ear-splitting awesomeness.

*The Honda V10 physically hurt as it passed you on full-throttle. Coming out of Club corner at Silverstone you could feel the upshifts on your chest and your ear drums strained from the over-pressure...even at several hundred feet away.

So yeah, do it before they change to Turbo 4's in 2013!
 
It probably does, but it is not easy to see. Especially on the F10, and it's wheel nuts.
 
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