Ferrari SUV

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Considering the FF is kinda my dream car, I want this so bad already hahaha
The FF looks fantastic now imo, its aged superbly and got more attractive. That leads me to a question though, what's the point of this SUV? I know its because of the market but this doesn't look like a typical SUV, it looks less spacious. It looks like a really fat Ferrari, its not going offroad so whats the point of if over an FF or GT4 Lusso? Of course I'm sure it will attract new customers to the brand but what is the cars technical purpose in this form? If they make a stripped out CS version I'll forgive them.
 
My biggest problem with Ferrari is that if you don't know a model's name, it's freaking impossible to find out what it's called and actually google it. I've just spent over five minutes trying to find the GTC4 Lusso. I suppose I could've searched "FF successor" but Ferrari doesn't really do this "succession" thing, they just have random models with random names and their lineup never makes any sense. The GTC4 Lusso looks like a freaking FF to me, I don't understand why this isn't simply the second generation FF but no, it's gotta be a whole new thing. Hell, they currently make three sports cars that are effectively the exact same car with a different name. I don't understand what the purpose of them are.
 
The FF looks fantastic now imo, its aged superbly and got more attractive. That leads me to a question though, what's the point of this SUV? I know its because of the market but this doesn't look like a typical SUV, it looks less spacious. It looks like a really fat Ferrari, its not going offroad so whats the point of if over an FF or GT4 Lusso? Of course I'm sure it will attract new customers to the brand but what is the cars technical purpose in this form? If they make a stripped out CS version I'll forgive them.
Well, they've learned alot from their FF and Lusso production, and since Lusso production ended in 2020 I guess they now have a hole (That was well tapped into with the FF/Lusso sales) all available estimates say around 7,000 cars total between FF, V12 and V8 Lusso. So I guess the SUV slots right into that? A more spacious, but still sporty and exciting offering.

I'd say the point of it over an FF at this point would be the reliability. There are alot of things on FF that would burn your pockets if they go wrong, and no doubt that stuff was refined and fixed for GTC and will be spot on for SUV.
 
My biggest problem with Ferrari is that if you don't know a model's name, it's freaking impossible to find out what it's called and actually google it. I've just spent over five minutes trying to find the GTC4 Lusso. I suppose I could've searched "FF successor" but Ferrari doesn't really do this "succession" thing, they just have random models with random names and their lineup never makes any sense. The GTC4 Lusso looks like a freaking FF to me, I don't understand why this isn't simply the second generation FF but no, it's gotta be a whole new thing. Hell, they currently make three sports cars that are effectively the exact same car with a different name. I don't understand what the purpose of them are.
I dont really agree that the names are random, the GT4 clearly does look similar to the FF but I guess they didn't want to give the impression that it's simply an update. I saw a video where they tested both cars and thought the FF was a better car. Cant remember which channel it was.
Well, they've learned alot from their FF and Lusso production, and since Lusso production ended in 2020 I guess they now have a hole (That was well tapped into with the FF/Lusso sales) all available estimates say around 7,000 cars total between FF, V12 and V8 Lusso. So I guess the SUV slots right into that? A more spacious, but still sporty and exciting offering.

I'd say the point of it over an FF at this point would be the reliability. There are alot of things on FF that would burn your pockets if they go wrong, and no doubt that stuff was refined and fixed for GTC and will be spot on for SUV.
Yea but they could just made a newer GT4. Obviously though the SUV is to bring new buyers to the brand. I'm in no doubt this will be their biggest seller even if it's just in China. Just look at Lamborghini's numbers with the URUS.
 
Ugly suvs that cant even do offroad apart from polluting the environment and hogging the roads.

Thats why most off road ethuisants never buy these useless suvs from bmw, mercedes, lamborghini and maserati because not only are they expensive but serve no purpose.
 
I still maintain this is a tremendous mistake for the Ferrari brand and it will diminish their mystique irreparably. The executives will make a ton of money so that's good for them.
 
Ugly suvs that cant even do offroad apart from polluting the environment and hogging the roads.

Thats why most off road ethuisants never buy these useless suvs from bmw, mercedes, lamborghini and maserati because not only are they expensive but serve no purpose.
I'm pretty sure that off-road enthusiasts aren't the target market for six figure luxury vehicles. The only time they'll ever see any off roading is when their Middle Eastern oil baron owners get bored with them and abandon them in the desert to free up garage space.
 
I'm pretty sure that off-road enthusiasts aren't the target market for six figure luxury vehicles. The only time they'll ever see any off roading is when their Middle Eastern oil baron owners get bored with them and abandon them in the desert to free up garage space.
What purpose do they serve?

Apart from tastless people buying such cars. I saw the Aston Martin suv on the road what a ugly car it was basically a pig on the road.

If I had 100K to 200k to spend I would buy a Alfa Romeo Guilia QV. What angers me how the wagon version got cancelled to the make way for Stelvio. Stelvio and Tonale actually look good compared to the other ugly luxury suv offerings. But really Alfa Romeos dont need suvs. It has lots of beautiful offerings but instead they go with a suv.

I can see why Luca di montezemolo was kicked out. Yeah he was a pain to work with bu at least he kept the image of the brand which was being exclusive and diffferent rather than following trends. It all went downhill when Sergio marchione took control.
 
What purpose do they serve?
Trying to be as uncynical as possible here.

These vehicles, including the Ferrari, are an attempt by their manufacturers to use the mystique of the brand to offer products that are more broadly appealing so that people who were unwilling to purchase a Ferrari (for instance) due to their very limited practicality can do so. And they will do so because the brand is associated with exclusivity and people want to project that image. Because of the nature of compensation packages within publicly traded companies in the western economy, executives are often rewarded most (via bonuses) for growth - either by sales volume or profit. Ferrari does not have many avenues to dramatically increase profit (though the super limited production halo cars are just that, albeit that is still limited) so by offering products that appeal to more people they can increase sales volume which demonstrates growth, attracts more shareholders, bonuses get paid. I would argue that this is very short-term thinking and will, in the long run, actually hurt the brand, but the executives have no special affinity to Ferrari has a marque...they have special affinity to their own paycheck. They will make that call and they will offer more and more ways to sell the Ferrari brand to more and more people (within reason, they won't be selling a Toyota Corolla competitor, but they sure as hell would love to sell Ferrari-branded swag to Corolla owners) until the brand is just a commodified husk of what it used to be. At some point the stock momentum will stop and everyone will just kind of give a collective shrug about the brand. That's my prediction anyhow.
 
What purpose do they serve?
To take large amounts of money away from tasteless rich people and put that money in the bank accounts of the carmakers, pretty much. It worked quite well when China had All The Money™ and the wealthy there were craving large vehicles with exclusive marques so they could more visibly flaunt their opulence, that's what basically created the market segment of "supercar SUV's" in the first place.
 
I don’t see why you wouldn’t ever need a bit of ground clearance just because you’ve got enough money to buy a Ferrari. It’s not like rich people only travel on perfect roads.
 
I don’t see why you wouldn’t ever need a bit of ground clearance just because you’ve got enough money to buy a Ferrari. It’s not like rich people only travel on perfect roads.
If you've got enough money to buy a Ferrari, you've got enough money to buy at least one or two more vehicles to travel in that won't reduce the resale value of your Ferrari (that was probably bought for tax sheltering or money laundering purposes).
 
If you've got enough money to buy a Ferrari, you've got enough money to buy at least one or two more vehicles to travel in that won't reduce the resale value of your Ferrari (that was probably bought for tax sheltering or money laundering purposes).

So the logic is that SUV’s are fine as long as they are not made by Ferrari?
 
Purosangue officially revealed and yes, I absolutely love it lol
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Ferrari doesn't call it an SUV. In fact, it's at pains not to call it an SUV. So, officially the Ferrari Purosangue is a "four-door, four-seater." Powered by a front-mid-mounted 6.5-liter V-12 with 715 hp and 528 lb-ft, it’s capable of 0-62 mph in 3.2 seconds and a top speed of over 193 mph. The Purosangue features an 8-speed dual-clutch transaxle for a 49:51 weight distribution and borrows the unusual 4RM-S four-wheel drive system from the GTC4Lusso. These are all very good things. And that’s before we even get to the new active suspension system, four-wheel steering and the latest version of Ferrari’s magical Side Slip Control.

The sophisticated new Multimatic True Active Spool Valve (TASV) dampers are a key technology and vital to giving the Purosangue the agility, balance, and control expected of a Ferrari.

The ‘Ferrari active suspension technology’ system, using those dampers, combines powerful 48-volt electric motor actuation with precise spool valve technology. Each damper is fitted with its own electric motor, which can control the piston speed within the damper and finely tune roll stiffness in different phases of a corner. The system is so powerful that the Purosangue does not feature anti-roll bars. The ability to manipulate body control and decouple ride comfort from lateral stiffness sounds fascinating and like a potential game-changer. Expect to see these dampers used in future sports car iterations, too. Ferrari’s proprietary control logic combines the information from the suspension system’s accelerometers and position sensors with Side Slip Control 8.0 and the latest ABS-evo system.

There is no off-road setting on the Manettino. The Purosangue is not that sort of SUV. Instead, the driver can switch between Ice, Wet, Comfort, Sport, and ESC Off modes. As usual, this will alter the character of every element of the car from engine response to gearbox logic, suspension stiffness, traction and stability control thresholds, and e-differential locking characteristics. It will also change the characteristics of the four-wheel drive system. As mentioned before this is a development of the 4RM-S system as seen on the GTC4 Lusso. The front and rear axles have no physical connection. A two-speed gearbox or PTU (Power Transfer Unit) is hung from the front of the engine and takes power directly from the crank. As in the Lusso, the Purosangue won’t have four-wheel-drive capability above 5th gear.

It’s six inches shorter than a Urus Performante, almost identical in terms of width and wheelbase and the roofline is around an inch lower. It seems strange talking about trunk capacity in terms of a Ferrari but the Purosangue’s is adequate rather than outstanding. For context, the Lamborghini, already a compromised SUV shape, has 21.75 cubic feet of space as compared to the Ferrari’s 16.7 cubic feet. The new Range Rover has over double the capacity

The body itself is made up of a mix of aluminum and carbon fiber–including the roof–with high-strength steel used for the intrusion bars and B-pillars. Ferrari claims the Purosangue weighs 4482 pounds, but that’s a dry weight and assumes the owner has ticked all the boxes for lightweight options. The size and mass of the Purosangue make the suspension system all the more impressive and intriguing. Ferrari has also employed the latest independent four-wheel steering system as seen on the 812 Competizione.

Expect the Purosangue to cost circa $400,000 before you start adding lightweight options or delving into the endless Atelier customization program. The SUV will make up no more than 20 percent of Ferrari production annually.
 
What's with all these unveilings of ungainly Italian supercars in the last couple of days? First, the Utopia, and now this. :boggled:

Its rear three-quarter kinda reminds me of the old Alfa Romeo Brera, even though they don't look alike. I wouldn't call this hideous, but some details make it just too ungainly in my opinion. Since it's Ferrari's first step at a tall vehicle, I guess the ungainly lines are to be expected, kinda like the first FF, which became a better looking thing as the GTC4 later on.
 
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Please don’t call it an SUV, because it isn’t. It’s a Ferrari.
And... I agree with him. A bit.

That's not an SUV. There's no "U" anywhere in it; cabin space is pathetic (who has suicide doors AND a B-pillar?), boot space is risible, nothing is going to attach to the outside... the only way you're going to U this V for S is if the only S you play is five-a-side and your other player makes his own way there.

It's a GTC4 Lusso for people too fat to get into a car that low. Unfortunately "FCV" already means "fuel cell", so...


Also the front looks like this:
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I am very torn with the aesthetic of this vehicle. I don't mind Ferrari's current design language on cars like the SF90 Stradale and the 296GTB, but this vehicle looks very sketchy to say the least.

I'm not too fond of the name first and foremost. The italian carmaker could have picked out of a hat and made a better name that this POS. The PURASA? PUSS PUSS is whats is called, really?

Secondly the front styling looks like the vehcile is unfinished, they cut some vents into the front design and call it quits as they got to the DRL's. The venting looks very chinese knock off than real Ferrari Maranello deisgn. I would not be suprised if someone though it was a Geely or NIO owned vehicle.

The rear styling is way too sedate too, not being very adventrous and playing it way too safe to make it resemble a hot hatch or something as its side profile shows.

The only highlight is the V12, which is abit archiac but sounds glorious! I wish the Aston martin DBX had a raspy V12, they badly missed out and went for a V8 to be more mass productiony i guess, dunno?
The only like is the interior and the cool suicide doors, which is quite lovely minus the crappy touch controls on the steering wheel. The robotized rotary jog wheel on the centre dashboard is very nice and could make a mainstay in more newer ferraris. The seats look very nicely made and I never mind an Electrchromatic pana-roof. :D

Well thats my two-cents, you know stupid people with more than money than sense will buy it! Could we see maybe a Pursanguayyy LM or GTS in the works two years down the line?
 
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who has suicide doors AND a B-pillar?
All of them? For a modern car, either you have an integrated B-pillar in the rear doors (like the Element, FJ Cruiser, RX-8, MX-30), where the downsides are that the rear doors are small and you need to open the front doors first or you have a fixed B-pillar (like Rolls-Royce, Lincoln Continental 80th Anniversary and the Purosangue obviously) where you can open all the doors independently and where the rear doors can be full size.
 
an integrated B-pillar in the rear doors (like the Element, FJ Cruiser, RX-8, MX-30)
Which isn't a B-pillar. It may well be (and indeed is) a structural bracing piece when in place, but it isn't fixed to the body and merely latches (quite firmly) in place.

If you're going to have suicide rear doors, it's for easier rear-seat access from the front (particularly, but not exclusively, the passenger side) while outside the vehicle. Slapping a B-pillar restricts the access, making the endeavour pointless.

The Phantom gets away with it because the back is where the people who own the car go, and the chauffeur isn't needing to lean in to belt their three kids in a supermarket car park. Maybe the same applies to the Hollande-face (although it'd be only two kids), but then it's supposed to be a drivers' car 🤷‍♂️
 
It's not as badly proportioned as I was expecting. It looks ok. The performance data screen in the passenger's face is just so cringey...please stop doing this Ferrari. Please.
 
Which isn't a B-pillar. It may well be (and indeed is) a structural bracing piece when in place, but it isn't fixed to the body and merely latches (quite firmly) in place.
Well, not only does it latch to the body, but the front doors latch to it. Might not be a literal B-pillar, but it acts as one.

If you're going to have suicide rear doors, it's for easier rear-seat access from the front (particularly, but not exclusively, the passenger side) while outside the vehicle. Slapping a B-pillar restricts the access, making the endeavour pointless.
I agree, but suicide doors à la 60s Continental just hasn't been done in a modern production car (for rigidity obviously). Suicide doors for this car was most likely for style, not practicality.
 
So no room for a couple of muddy labradors in the back then.

Press shots are always missleading, but it does appear to at least have some 'presence' - something the Urus, Bentayga and the Levante totally lack. Although that does seem to be at the expense of any sort of practicality, other than the ability to slot a couple of small people behind the front row of seats.
 
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