Ferrari Virtual Academy

[hampus_dh]

Have you tried the NetKar Vintage since they updated the physics for it? Personally in Netkar I mostly drive the Fiat 500 and the open wheel cars. Though I used to use the Vintage for drifting pre physics update, I haven't actually driven it since they fixed it.

The cars looking right in the replay is more down to the graphical engine, you watch Mclarens inhouse simulator and the cars won't look right in the replay. If you run the Ferrari F10 around the Nurburgring in GT5 it will look much more life like in the replay than it does in FVA, infact it looks more lifelike than the F1 car in iRacing, yet out of all the F10 simulations the one in GT5 is the worst in terms of driving physics realism.

Yea tried that one, and the Sportier version too
Great cars but a tad to easy to drive imo.

Yea the little Fiat is awsome, love the Osella on the hillclimb track aswell, just insane.

No by look right i mean steering input among other stuff, graphics isn´t that important. I just tried to get a sense of the car like you would watching an F1 race and follow someone over a lap sort of.
Most of the time you can get a very good idea of how the car reacts and a hunch on how it would be to drive balance-wise.

Yea will do

 

[Bigbazz]

To answer the question above (the post didn't seem to be there last night?) When you buy the adrenaline pack you get both the extra tracks + the 2 new cars. I also only bought fiorano previously.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Anyone know if the Logitech GT wheel will work with this!?

It works fine on it.

To answer the question above (the post didn't seem to be there last night?) When you buy the adrenaline pack you get both the extra tracks + the 2 new cars. I also only bought fiorano previously.

It was . I ended up buying it anyway as when I finally could login, that was the only option I could buy. The people who bought the other tracks recently must feel a bit gutted they have to pay the same amount again to get the complete package. They should make it clearer to others I think but GTP community now knows.

Anyway drove the 458 Challenge, it feels a bit too forgiving as far as throttle application goes and makes it feel a bit arcadey. The Ferrari 150° Italia seems to handle like the F1 onboards suggest. It is more direct than the F10 but has less downforce. Strange default controls for DRS and Kers in the game. Another thing is and same from before, F1 drivers are insanely fast on this kind of sim, I would say they would be in the 0.1% in any sim game, well the ones who actually use the sims.

 

[Bigbazz]

I dunno about the 458 feeling forgiving on throttle, don't forget it is the challenge version of the car so its running on slick tyres and in real life is known as an extremely well behaved and easy to drive car, so unless you're pushing the car very hard then its going to be extremely easy to drive as it is in the real world. I heard some people complaining that the car is too hard to drift too, lol. This isnt the road car version, very important to remember.

You should be looking at laptimes in the region of 1:16.x at Fiorano to match the real world performance and to get the car where it is on the edge, though due to you having unlimited tyres, fuel and potential track time, beating that lap should be perfectly possible.

I still remain with the opinion that this sim blows iRacing out of the water anyway, I love iRacing but it has always been missing something and lacking, the new tyre model has come out and has done what Netkars tyre model already did, only the iRacing tyre model over amplifies a lot of the effects (like snapback oversteer and low speed grip loss for example), so it's still not on par with it. FVA isnt NetKar, but it feels close enough to me that I can compare the two as almost the same sim.

As for the F1 drivers being fast, In the original competition all of the F1 driver laptimes were beaten within hours of release of the tracks, I too beat Massas Fiorano laptime in the F10, and i'm certaintly nowhere near the top 0.1%. Though I can't say about the new cars, I haven't actually checked their laps! Don't get me wrong though, I'm fairly certain if those real F1 drivers had the time to mess around setting laps on the sim they would rank within the top 0.1%

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I dunno about the 458 feeling forgiving on throttle, don't forget it is the challenge version of the car so its running on slick tyres and in real life is known as an extremely well behaved and easy to drive car, so unless you're pushing the car very hard then its going to be extremely easy to drive as it is in the real world. I heard some people complaining that the car is too hard to drift too, lol. This isnt the road car version, very important to remember.

You should be looking at laptimes in the region of 1:16.x at Fiorano to match the real world performance and to get the car where it is on the edge, though due to you having unlimited tyres, fuel and potential track time, beating that lap should be perfectly possible.

I still remain with the opinion that this sim blows iRacing out of the water anyway, I love iRacing but it has always been missing something and lacking, the new tyre model has come out and has done what Netkars tyre model already did, only the iRacing tyre model over amplifies a lot of the effects (like snapback oversteer and low speed grip loss for example), so it's still not on par with it. FVA isnt NetKar, but it feels close enough to me that I can compare the two as almost the same sim.

As for the F1 drivers being fast, In the original competition all of the F1 driver laptimes were beaten within hours of release of the tracks, I too beat Massas Fiorano laptime in the F10, and i'm certaintly nowhere near the top 0.1%. Though I can't say about the new cars, I haven't actually checked their laps! Don't get me wrong though, I'm fairly certain if those real F1 drivers had the time to mess around setting laps on the sim they would rank within the top 0.1%

It is just you don't have worry about progressiving on throttle on exits as you can really go straight to full throttle more or less. I've seen the onboards, the more I've driven the more it feels realistic. I've only really driven it on the Nurburgring GP track and trying to push very hard there. The car is hard to drift probably due to the slick tyres, once you go beyond the limit, you can't really recover the car from going into a spin.

Like I mentioned above I've been mainly driving on the Nurburgring GP, I think I'm about 5 tenths away from beating Fisichella. I lost about 3 tenths on my last sector though so I know there is some time in me but I think I will find his time hard to beat.

I hear that iRacing is a lot less grippy than real life and by your description it seems to fit in with the crowd, the harder it is the more realistic it is.

Not many did beat the time though and the F1 drivers set the pace with only themselves as the benchmark. The prople who did beat Massa's time early were probably well known top sim racers. I never beat Massa's time, always lost time in the middle sector. What wheel do you use by the way? I'm not very good at braking without ABS but have got better at it due to this game. What's your name by the way if you don't me asking? After all it is time trial based and good to be competitive against fellow GTP members.

 

[Bigbazz]

I use a G27 wheel, though i'm certaintly not as fast as you if you're 0.5s off of fisichella's time at Nurburgring, I havent really run there much but from what I gather I'm around 1-2 seconds off of that pace at the moment, I doubt I can match the Fisichella time at Nurburgring with any ammount of practice. I should have time to run the sim today, been crazy busy since the new cars came out, so have spent perhaps only 45mins with it.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I use a G27 wheel, though i'm certaintly not as fast as you if you're 0.5s off of fisichella's time at Nurburgring, I havent really run there much but from what I gather I'm around 1-2 seconds off of that pace at the moment, I doubt I can match the Fisichella time at Nurburgring with any ammount of practice. I should have time to run the sim today, been crazy busy since the new cars came out, so have spent perhaps only 45mins with it.

I managed to take number 1 spot while being 5 tenths of Fisichella's place lol when I posted the my current fastest time. Managed to get under 2:01 first compared to the other few people who have tried. I wonder what the top sim racers could do maybe even a 1:58 or some time in the 59's. I use a DFGT. I should hopefully be upgrading to a G27 by February time. I wonder if better the pedals will make any noticable difference in lap time. It would be good to know how long the ex / current F1 drivers spent on doing their fastest lap. Could be just their raw pace .

 

[hampus_dh]

I dunno about the 458 feeling forgiving on throttle, don't forget it is the challenge version of the car so its running on slick tyres

Don´t forget though that the car still packs 570hp
that is a gigantic amount of horsepower in a hybrid type of racecar like the Challenge version.

Can be compared to the GTPro version that runs in ALMS, which has a 100 horsepower less, with way more mechanical grip and downforce.

 

[somebodysb2]

Does anybody know how to purchase this game? the website is down.

 

[MagpieRacer]

WHy do people think it has to be hard to drive to be realistic.

 

[hampus_dh]

WHy do people think it has to be hard to drive to be realistic.

Why do people think that if a car is easy to drive fast in, it´s realistic?

It goes both ways and as far as i know there´s only one person that has made claims similar to what you stated.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Such as the entire rFactor community?

 

[hampus_dh]

Such as the entire rFactor community?

I have no idea, i don´t play Crapfactor

 

[Bigbazz]

I'm confused, apparently i'm 6th overall at Fiorano in the 458, I only did a 1:16.908, which is far from my optimal and yet its only 0.4s off fisichellas time, in my opinion a 1:15.9 is possible (by myself, i'm sure fast sim racers will go faster), my lap was quite messy. Quite confused right now as some of the names i've beaten are very good sim racers, maybe they only ran 1-2 laps to test the waters?



I agree that most sims make things too hard, even many race drivers agree. People don't want to accept that driving racing cars is technically quite easy, its driving them fast that becomes the hard part, where in many sims and cars you will struggle to even get the car around a corner at snail speeds without a great ammount of precision and skill.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Such as the entire rFactor community?

That is a big assumption to make. I thought that is more the iRacing community .

I'm confused, apparently i'm 6th overall at Fiorano in the 458, I only did a 1:16.908, which is far from my optimal and yet its only 0.4s off fisichellas time, in my opinion a 1:15.9 is possible (by myself, i'm sure fast sim racers will go faster), my lap was quite messy. Quite confused right now as some of the names i've beaten are very good sim racers, maybe they only ran 1-2 laps to test the waters?



I agree that most sims make things too hard, even many race drivers agree. People don't want to accept that driving racing cars is technically quite easy, its driving them fast that becomes the hard part, where in many sims and cars you will struggle to even get the car around a corner at snail speeds without a great ammount of precision and skill.

It is hard to nail a lap though. I've done a few more laps on the Nurburgring GP track. I think my best sectors add up to a time of: 1:59.8 which is like over a second quicker than my current time. Another thing though is to do it in one lap as there is so much to go wrong.

I think probably the other top guys are spending more time on 150 Italia.

 

[Bigbazz]

That is a big assumption to make. I thought that is more the iRacing community .



It is hard to nail a lap though. I've done a few more laps on the Nurburgring GP track. I think my best sectors add up to a time of: 1:59.8 which is like over a second quicker than my current time. Another thing though is to do it in one lap as there is so much to go wrong.

I think probably the other top guys are spending more time on 150 Italia.

Yeah, putting together the sectors is never easy, on my best lap I was slightly faster than fishichella in S2 and S3, but slower in S1, around 0.4-0.5s slower infact. I have big trouble with the getting the braking right from lap to lap, there is a sweet spot for braking and for gear changing but its hard to feel on these toy wheels/pedals, something I've had issues with in every sim.

With that said, I love this car but my wheel is very hot so I think that will do for tonight. I can't even imagine trying to put together sectors at Nurburgring, I find it much more difficult than Fiorano, not to mention it being much longer.

 

[hampus_dh]

Yeah, putting together the sectors is never easy, on my best lap I was slightly faster than fishichella in S2 and S3, but slower in S1, around 0.4-0.5s slower infact. I have big trouble with the getting the braking right from lap to lap, there is a sweet spot for braking and for gear changing but its hard to feel on these toy wheels/pedals, something I've had issues with in every sim.

With that said, I love this car but my wheel is very hot so I think that will do for tonight. I can't even imagine trying to put together sectors at Nurburgring, I find it much more difficult than Fiorano, not to mention it being much longer.

Do you have a loadcell?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Yeah, putting together the sectors is never easy, on my best lap I was slightly faster than fishichella in S2 and S3, but slower in S1, around 0.4-0.5s slower infact. I have big trouble with the getting the braking right from lap to lap, there is a sweet spot for braking and for gear changing but its hard to feel on these toy wheels/pedals, something I've had issues with in every sim.

With that said, I love this car but my wheel is very hot so I think that will do for tonight. I can't even imagine trying to put together sectors at Nurburgring, I find it much more difficult than Fiorano, not to mention it being much longer.

It might be easier at the Nurburgring for you if you try a bit longer. The nature of corners makes the car do most of the work. It is sort of getting lucky though to get all your best sectors in one lap. My best sectors for comparison would be, 38.0, 37.7 and 44.1 when you do get the time to try out the track. Fisichella's sector times for 1st and 3rd are messed up.

Do you have a loadcell?

Load Cell? DFGT pedals or better are more than enough .

 

[Bigbazz]

Do you have a loadcell?

Na, just a standard G27 with matching pedals. I wish I could afford better pedals, It would improve my consistancy to no end if I had some actual feel of what was going on. Braking is my biggest weakness, if I could feel what was going on I personally think I could match the Fishichella laptime at Fiorano fairly consistantly.

Currently I can pull off a 1:16.9-1:17.0 almost every lap, and every single one of those laps I will have messed up some braking zone causing me to lose time through the corner. bah

As for Nurburgring, I'l have to give it some practice but I've never been good at the track, the whole of the first sector pretty much every corner is a big weakness of mine, thereafter i'm fine, but its all lost in S1, I just don't know how to do it.

 

[hampus_dh]

Na, just a standard G27 with matching pedals. I wish I could afford better pedals, It would improve my consistancy to no end if I had some actual feel of what was going on. Braking is my biggest weakness, if I could feel what was going on I personally think I could match the Fishichella laptime at Fiorano fairly consistantly.

Currently I can pull off a 1:16.9-1:17.0 almost every lap, and every single one of those laps I will have messed up some braking zone causing me to lose time through the corner. bah

As for Nurburgring, I'l have to give it some practice but I've never been good at the track, the whole of the first sector pretty much every corner is a big weakness of mine, thereafter i'm fine, but its all lost in S1, I just don't know how to do it.

Well i can tell you that they day you get the loadcell you will be wondering why you did not purchase it earlier

It´s that good and really let´s you relax during braking. Especially when overtaking someone or playing dare devil to see who will brake the latest etc.
It probably won´t shorten the braking distance but you will nail every braking spot everytime

If i was rich i would have sent you the CSP´s, they are astonishing for the relative small price you pay.

Had mine for over a year, could be longer then that now that i think about it but i haven´t done anything to them in terms of maintenance and they feel brand new still.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Na, just a standard G27 with matching pedals. I wish I could afford better pedals, It would improve my consistancy to no end if I had some actual feel of what was going on. Braking is my biggest weakness, if I could feel what was going on I personally think I could match the Fishichella laptime at Fiorano fairly consistantly.

Currently I can pull off a 1:16.9-1:17.0 almost every lap, and every single one of those laps I will have messed up some braking zone causing me to lose time through the corner. bah

As for Nurburgring, I'l have to give it some practice but I've never been good at the track, the whole of the first sector pretty much every corner is a big weakness of mine, thereafter i'm fine, but its all lost in S1, I just don't know how to do it.

Watch Fisichella's lap in the game. Would help you a lot in the first sector.

 

[Bigbazz]

I'l have to give that replay of his a look, I hadn't realised that there was a replay of his. Speaking of replays, I just came on this afternoon to have a few laps at Fiorano and pulled out a 1:16.5 (4th overall), went to the watch replay option and the game crashed, was intending to fraps it, I'l just wait until i've done a faster lap now, really annoyed tho as I forgot to save my best from last night also, and have nothing to go by to see where i'm going wrong :|. I've figured out the braking zones a little better today, probably because its earlier and I have a fresh mind.

I have been intending to try nurburgring, but since I've been doing well at Fiorano I kinda would like to see if I could get the top time, so haven't really given the other tracks much of a chance. I see you're 3rd at Nurburgring Saidur, well done! You should keep with Nurburgring so I have a better chance at topping the Fiorano (though even if I do, it won't last and I won't have the skill to hold it! lol)


Edit, just went back on and did a 1:16.497 on my 3rd lap (3rd place now), messed up the final sector and lost around 3 tenths, damn shame but I got the replay saved this time. Hopefully I'l get some time tonight and can maybe work on it.

Did I mention i love this sim/car?

 

[hampus_dh]

Is it fixed setup?

 

[Bigbazz]

Is it fixed setup?

Yeah, fixed setup on all the cars, you can't touch a thing.

Edit :

Theres the 1:16.4 replay, not a fantastic lap, clearly lost time in the 1st and last corner.

 

[hampus_dh]

ok good to know

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I'l have to give that replay of his a look, I hadn't realised that there was a replay of his. Speaking of replays, I just came on this afternoon to have a few laps at Fiorano and pulled out a 1:16.5 (4th overall), went to the watch replay option and the game crashed, was intending to fraps it, I'l just wait until i've done a faster lap now, really annoyed tho as I forgot to save my best from last night also, and have nothing to go by to see where i'm going wrong :|. I've figured out the braking zones a little better today, probably because its earlier and I have a fresh mind.

I have been intending to try nurburgring, but since I've been doing well at Fiorano I kinda would like to see if I could get the top time, so haven't really given the other tracks much of a chance. I see you're 3rd at Nurburgring Saidur, well done! You should keep with Nurburgring so I have a better chance at topping the Fiorano (though even if I do, it won't last and I won't have the skill to hold it! lol)


Edit, just went back on and did a 1:16.497 on my 3rd lap (3rd place now), messed up the final sector and lost around 3 tenths, damn shame but I got the replay saved this time. Hopefully I'l get some time tonight and can maybe work on it.

Did I mention i love this sim/car?

I doubt I will beat you at Fiorano. Couldn't beat Massa there, you managed to. I think it is a good idea to keep doing the same track to improve your time as you can then get into a rhythm. Seen your lap, very good overall I would say. Good job 👍.

Managed to just top the Nurburgring GP track rankings. Shame I didn't manage to get under 2 minutes but I think that is me done with the combo as I doubt I would beat it without getting even more lucky.

Here is the screenshot of the rankings. Will probably get beaten by a second once all the top sim racers start running the track but for now GB is on top 👍.

 

[Bigbazz]

Well done Saidur, you're fastest by quite some time! I don't want to set myself up for failure, but I will try to improve this weekend at Fiorano, 1st place as the time currently stands seems perfectly possible to go a few tenths faster atleast, but optimal times are never easy to put together.

At iRacing i was usually between 1-2 seconds off the pace of the fastest guys, so I fear if/when more of the faster drivers turn up I might find myself far down the list, or perhaps I'm just decent at this sim/track? Probably the former.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Well done Saidur, you're fastest by quite some time! I don't want to set myself up for failure, but I will try to improve this weekend at Fiorano, 1st place as the time currently stands seems perfectly possible to go a few tenths faster atleast, but optimal times are never easy to put together.

At iRacing i was usually between 1-2 seconds off the pace of the fastest guys, so I fear if/when more of the faster drivers turn up I might find myself far down the list, or perhaps I'm just decent at this sim/track? Probably the former.

Thanks. It is only 2.5 tenths though but more importantly I have beaten Fisichella. Optimal times are hard like you say, so easy to drop tenths when trying to drive at your own limit.

In GT5, I'm about 8 tenths to 1.6 seconds off the pace of the fastest guys on say competitive time trials. Who knows, maybe some of the faster guys won't buy this Adrenaline Pack. I hope to stay in the top 20 with my current time. Hopefully that is not too optimistic. We shall find out in a month or two .


Anyway here are the details and footage of lap.

Lap time is 2:00.063 .

Sector times:

Telemetry:

http://i43.tinypic.com/nb7vyc.png

Lap (GTP Exclusive ):



Probably the most sideways action lap I've ever done on this combo .

 

[HKS racer]

The front glass reflection is weird.

 

[hampus_dh]

It´s Lexan windows, could probably have something to do with it.