Ferrari's Dominance
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Every year teams go faster then the previous meeting. This year it is even more amazing, in light on the one engine weekend rule.
I still think McLaren were sandbagging.
I still think McLaren were sandbagging.
GilesGuthrie
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Because Albert Park is a non-permanent race venue, first day times are never terribly reliable.
Judging by the reports of the number of spins Schuey had, I think they're really going for it.
Judging by the reports of the number of spins Schuey had, I think they're really going for it.
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From what I hear, "Morose Monty" Also spun a few times.
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Any color in front, but please... no more red... pleaaase!!
I'm very curious to see if Bar will be able to keep their pace... looking good so far!
anyway there is 75% chances of rain tomorrow, so we might have a random starting grid again...
new qualifying format really sucks in bad weather...
I'm very curious to see if Bar will be able to keep their pace... looking good so far!
anyway there is 75% chances of rain tomorrow, so we might have a random starting grid again...
new qualifying format really sucks in bad weather...
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Maybe Jaques Veillnueve is just as grumpy and babyish as Montoya that when he left the team was actually able to get things right on the cars.
I'd like to see a BAR push for a race win.
Yes Schumi does have alot to do with the cars so he knows where all of the niggles (assuming there are any) are.
I'd like to see a BAR push for a race win.
Yes Schumi does have alot to do with the cars so he knows where all of the niggles (assuming there are any) are.
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I'd love to see BAR win 
No one denies that MS has the No1 Status at Ferrari.
But if someone comes there and drives consistently faster than MS, Do you really think that he will retain that status? I think that MS would quit.
Ok, for arguments sake, Lets say RB has to Move over for MS twice, If he is faster the third time, then what? For how long will he agree and how long will the management do it? If the guy is faster most of the time, MS will not remain No 1 all the time. Do you really believe if Ferrari were to Take KR, they would intentionally slow him down, that?s downright stupid?
But this scenario is practically impossible.
- First: MS is the official #1 driver at Ferrari and Ferrari will not make a contract with a driver, who would not accept his own role as the #2 driver. So the other Ferrari driver is mentally beaten before the season has even started.
- Second: MS gets all the new parts first; the other driver might get them sometimes simultaneously, but never before MS (unless MS has already sealed his title, then he voluntarily supports the #2 driver to promote him).
- Third: Because the Ferrari team spends a huge amount of money to keep MS, the team also puts some 70-75% of team resources to his disposal, the other driver gets what is left.
Sometimes one can see the difference of attitude very clearly, in Spa 2000 and in Interlagos 2003 RB ran out of fuel. Do you really think, that this would ever happen to MS ? If you check the technical DNFs, you'll find out that RB has a relatively low DNF ratio, but MS has not had a single technical DNF since 2001.
- Fourth: Because MS is such a big name in Ferrari, he can direct the development of the car to the way he wants it. The other driver may not like it, but his words will not weigh much.
When Ferrari was negotiating with KR in 2001, the team promised that after a couple years of #2 drivers, KR could get a strong position in 2004, and he could race against MS freely and if MS would have quit, KR would be Ferrari's #1 driver. The 2004 Ferrari package obviously suits MS much better than RB. So the balance of power has changed and MS dominates again at Ferrari. But RB is not the ultimate racer, his potential is pretty near to DC's, but now RB has a much better tool to his disposal than DC.
A new driver would have an uphill battle against MS. Michael is a formidable driver, even in his old age and he is VERY strong at his home ground. He has many advantages, and for the other driver it would take more than a year to beat him. Even if this other driver is actually more talented and faster than MS, the new driver has to learn the Ferrari car and get to know the key engineers, and that takes time.
But MS would not stay and wait to get beaten. He would quit before that.
When Button went to BAR JV was undisputed No1 in that team, regardless if DR liked him or not. If button had not driven well DR would have had to back JV. Button did what was required, and the results are there to see. He is now No1 in the BAR team.
If you want to beat MS, do it in a Ferrari, he'll know he's beat.
But if someone comes there and drives consistently faster than MS, Do you really think that he will retain that status? I think that MS would quit.
Ok, for arguments sake, Lets say RB has to Move over for MS twice, If he is faster the third time, then what? For how long will he agree and how long will the management do it? If the guy is faster most of the time, MS will not remain No 1 all the time. Do you really believe if Ferrari were to Take KR, they would intentionally slow him down, that?s downright stupid?
But this scenario is practically impossible.
- First: MS is the official #1 driver at Ferrari and Ferrari will not make a contract with a driver, who would not accept his own role as the #2 driver. So the other Ferrari driver is mentally beaten before the season has even started.
- Second: MS gets all the new parts first; the other driver might get them sometimes simultaneously, but never before MS (unless MS has already sealed his title, then he voluntarily supports the #2 driver to promote him).
- Third: Because the Ferrari team spends a huge amount of money to keep MS, the team also puts some 70-75% of team resources to his disposal, the other driver gets what is left.
Sometimes one can see the difference of attitude very clearly, in Spa 2000 and in Interlagos 2003 RB ran out of fuel. Do you really think, that this would ever happen to MS ? If you check the technical DNFs, you'll find out that RB has a relatively low DNF ratio, but MS has not had a single technical DNF since 2001.
- Fourth: Because MS is such a big name in Ferrari, he can direct the development of the car to the way he wants it. The other driver may not like it, but his words will not weigh much.
When Ferrari was negotiating with KR in 2001, the team promised that after a couple years of #2 drivers, KR could get a strong position in 2004, and he could race against MS freely and if MS would have quit, KR would be Ferrari's #1 driver. The 2004 Ferrari package obviously suits MS much better than RB. So the balance of power has changed and MS dominates again at Ferrari. But RB is not the ultimate racer, his potential is pretty near to DC's, but now RB has a much better tool to his disposal than DC.
A new driver would have an uphill battle against MS. Michael is a formidable driver, even in his old age and he is VERY strong at his home ground. He has many advantages, and for the other driver it would take more than a year to beat him. Even if this other driver is actually more talented and faster than MS, the new driver has to learn the Ferrari car and get to know the key engineers, and that takes time.
But MS would not stay and wait to get beaten. He would quit before that.
When Button went to BAR JV was undisputed No1 in that team, regardless if DR liked him or not. If button had not driven well DR would have had to back JV. Button did what was required, and the results are there to see. He is now No1 in the BAR team.
If you want to beat MS, do it in a Ferrari, he'll know he's beat.
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Michael will retire before he's comprehensively beaten by a teammate. The challenge won't come from Rubens, particularly this year. The F2004 has a shorter wheelbase, much like the FW25 of last season, and as a result is a more twitchy car to drive when compared to the F2003-GA. This suits Michael a lot more and it shows in his confidence in the car. Yes, a lot more time is spent making sure the car is perfect for his needs and he directs a lot of development, but testing shows Rubens can indeed match his times. Michael's confidence and relaxation in the car has skyrocketed however, and that's why he's so dominant atm. I think Rubens is feeling the pressure of everyone constantly naysaying his driving and spending potentially the prime of his career in the shadow of a legend. Races like Britain proved he can do it, but he just doesn't get it together often enough. One has to acknowledge the seemingly incomprehensible amount of luck Michael consistently has, but it's not all luck or team dedication, there's a talented driver in the seat of that F2004, and a damn intelligent one.
I would also say that Ferrari wouldn't be where it is now had it not been for Michael. Prior to his arrival in the Scuderia, Ferrari had seen it's share of good and decent drivers, yet, none had been able to bring Ferrari back on top. So anything extra that Michael gets is well deserved in my opinion. And he's probably responsible for most novelties anyways.
But they do have intensely close relationships with some very key companies like Bridgestone and Shell that they benefit from tremendously.
Blake
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Yeah, they do get alot of effort by Shell who keep making improvements to already good oils. I think shell is a big part of their reliability and speed. Bridgestone are going really strong this season and I think that also attributes to Ferrari's success.
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