FF drift, civic, too easy?, reverse on FR = e-brake on FF?

[sucahyo]

Yesterday I searching GT4 drift video section for an FF video, and I couldn't find any. This make me think, do FF drifting is too easy or too hard?
Curious, I try to do the drift with Mugen Civic Type-R in GT2, and it seems doing drifting with civic is easy enough. I can even do it with only braking and feint drift, without using e/side/parking brake at all (maybe because using normal tire and 20/2 spring rate).
No wonder there is no FF drift video.........




But, using civic to drift is a mistake, in deep forest first corner, doing fast braking drift make the car do straight sideways because the front tire do not have enough power/traction to pull the car even with 51 TCSC..................




For comparison I try to drift Amemiya RX7, its very hard to initiate the drift or to end it......
After some lap without using e-brake, I try using the e-brake, it turn out to be more difficult, initiating drift is easy, but I am easier to spin.

And then I think if initiating drift is cause by loss of rear wheel traction, and e-brake is too strong, why don't I try different method? Searching this forum show me how to do it by using slippier rear tire, more rear bias brake balance, less rear downforce, theoritically less rear traction suspension setup, etc.
Then I have an idea to use reverse button (well, already mentioned in reverse button do not work on GT4 ). It turn out to be very effective, the loss of rear tire traction is less than using e-brake, but its enough to make it drift. It can stop spin better too.
So, I find an easy shortcut to make my drift, since i can't reduce the e-brake power ................




I use the reverse button shortly after releasing the brake, the replay do not show this ...................

 

[kikie]

IRL, you cannot drift with an FF car.
Drifting means that you steer your car into a slip and keep the car into a slip using the throttle (throttle control) and a little bit of steering. This is done with a FR or a 4WD.
You can start a slip with an FF car but you cannot maintain a drift with an FF car. When you use your throttle (FF car), your car will come out of the slip instead of maintaining it.

I can't remember playing GT2 if drifting with an FF car was possible but if it was, then the car physics of GT2 is completely wrong.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

No, by your description, a true FF drift with throttle is not possibe. It is only possible to use the weight of your car, e-brake, and possibly a bit of feint motion to get a powerslide going.

 

[sucahyo]

IRL, you cannot drift with an FF car.
Drifting means that you steer your car into a slip and keep the car into a slip using the throttle (throttle control) and a little bit of steering. This is done with a FR or a 4WD.
You can start a slip with an FF car but you cannot maintain a drift with an FF car. When you use your throttle (FF car), your car will come out of the slip instead of maintaining it.

I can't remember playing GT2 if drifting with an FF car was possible but if it was, then the car physics of GT2 is completely wrong.

It's possible IRL. This drift is also possible in GT4, it even have civic drift photo competition.
The limit of drift term is personal opinion, but if FF can enter D1 competition then I say FF can drift.

The second technique is used by a few drifters in rear wheel drives, but is the only way you can really drift a front wheel drive. You have to use the side brake. A front wheel drive can not whip it's tail out because the tires are being driven in the front as opposed to the rear. So when approaching a turn you pull the side brake to cause traction loss. And the rest is pretty much the same except that it's much harder to take more than one turn with a front wheel driver

Then one day we searched online and found a video clip, narrated in Japanese, of this guy drifting an EF Civic. Not only was he drifting it, but he was also beating the Nissan he was going against. Whether this was actual competition, demo or just friendly sparring, we don't know. But the performance made an impression on us. Not only was this driver drifting, he was also controlling the car in a manner worthy of any top road racer (check out crabdrifting.com/pictures/cv4.wmv).

the cv4.wmv video showing civic drift in a competition

 

[kikie]

@ Sucahyo

You are right, I was wrong. It seems that you can drift with a powerfull FF car, using the e-brake.
I was thinking about a power slide which is done with an FR or 4WD car. Without the e-brake, an FF car won't sustain a drift. I didn't know that this technique exist.


Thanks for showing the link.

 

[sucahyo]

Well, Keiichi Tsuchiya (D1 judge) mentioned 6 type of drift:
- side/e-brake
- shift lock (favorite for RL FR sustaining drift)
- power over
- braking
- feint
- throttle lift off

some people doesn't call it drift when using e-brake