Fidell steps down; Bro. Raul Takes Over (Post #21)

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Interesting. I doubt you'll see a "new cuba" while Castro is still alive though.
 
He's not ended his reign. He's only handed over power "provisionally", not permanently.
 
The Cubans in Miami haven't left the streets since yesterday afternoon.

The stupid news stations took over every show on broadcast television to show them amalgamating and shouting and crap while repeating the same headline every minute. Talk about lame.

One of the announcers actually said this: "Thousands of Cubans might be able to finally return to their country. That is the American Dream." LOL! What a moron.

I doubt Cuba will become democratic right away. They're too used to communism and dictatorship. Someone will always force their way to the top before a democratic constitution is drafted and enforced. That's why my grandparents left Cuba. I have hope that Cuba will overcome their past ignorance and finally free themselves of communist dictatorship, but I honestly cannot think of predicting what progress democracy will make once Fidel and Raul kick the bucket.
 
It is something we as Americans have been waiting for, but I don't think it is going to end the Communist way of life any time soon. Yes, there are revolutionaries in Cuba who want to make a change in their country, but that doesn't mean it is going to happen tomorrow.

I'd like to see the US attempt to shal we say "tip" Cuba back twards democracy, as many Americans could use a new vacation spot, and we could stand to make a bit of money off the country... lol...
 
YSSMAN
It is something we as Americans have been waiting for, but I don't think it is going to end the Communist way of life any time soon. Yes, there are revolutionaries in Cuba who want to make a change in their country, but that doesn't mean it is going to happen tomorrow.
Wonder if they are hoping to pull something off while he is sick. It would be funny to see Castro leave the hopsital only to find out that he isn't leader anymore.

I'd like to see the US attempt to shal we say "tip" Cuba back twards democracy, as many Americans could use a new vacation spot, and we could stand to make a bit of money off the country... lol...
I really want a Cuban cigar.
 
Omnis
One of the announcers actually said this: "Thousands of Cubans might be able to finally return to their country. That is the American Dream." LOL! What a moron.
Ah yes, the age-old American Dream of fleeing....America. Hmmmm... :lol:
 
If Cuba opens up, I don't think a single Cuban will head home, except to pick up family that hasn't been able to flee. If Cuba opens, they're all coming here, and southern Florida is in for a disaster worse than Andrew.

Cuba will have to be blockaded. Again.
 
wfooshee
If Cuba opens up, I don't think a single Cuban will head home, except to pick up family that hasn't been able to flee. If Cuba opens, they're all coming here, and southern Florida is in for a disaster worse than Andrew.

Cuba will have to be blockaded. Again.

Too late, buddy. South Florida is already its own disaster.
 
You just wait. I'm told there are 600,000 Cubans in Miami right now. What happens when 5 times that many show up over just a few days? What are they going to eat? Where are they going to sleep? What will they drink?

Cuba is still in the late '50s. Castro chose to remove himself from the world scene, and as a result has stagnated the Cuban economy and the Cuban society way beyond what would be expected as a result of just being a communist dictatorship.

Even if changes were to come about in a revolutionary fashion, which I don't see, (i.e. free elections, open borders, trade agreements, tourism) it won't happen quickly or smoothly. Well, it might happen quickly, or it might happen smoothly, but certainly not both.

There is not a single Cuban in Miami longing for the chance to return home. Why would they? Look at the differences in the standard of living. If you've ever driven along I-10 in El Paso and looked over the river into the hills of Juarez, you know the difference in the standard of living displayed on that highway, yet Mexico has nearly that same advantage over Cuba. The Cuban refugee in America wants to reunite with family and friends by bringing them here to America, which to them means Miami, pretty much.
 
1) Castro will probably be in charge for a good while longer (read: years).

2) His brother is very much like him (they’re brothers, duh), so there won’t be huge changes.

3) All in all, the baton will just be passed to the next jerkhead. The end isn’t anywhere in sight.
 
wfooshee
You just wait. I'm told there are 600,000 Cubans in Miami right now. What happens when 5 times that many show up over just a few days? What are they going to eat? Where are they going to sleep? What will they drink?

Cuba is still in the late '50s. Castro chose to remove himself from the world scene, and as a result has stagnated the Cuban economy and the Cuban society way beyond what would be expected as a result of just being a communist dictatorship.

Even if changes were to come about in a revolutionary fashion, which I don't see, (i.e. free elections, open borders, trade agreements, tourism) it won't happen quickly or smoothly. Well, it might happen quickly, or it might happen smoothly, but certainly not both.

There is not a single Cuban in Miami longing for the chance to return home. Why would they? Look at the differences in the standard of living. If you've ever driven along I-10 in El Paso and looked over the river into the hills of Juarez, you know the difference in the standard of living displayed on that highway, yet Mexico has nearly that same advantage over Cuba. The Cuban refugee in America wants to reunite with family and friends by bringing them here to America, which to them means Miami, pretty much.

Many people can't afford to live here, though. They can go back to cuba and live like kings if the country becomes a democracy.
 
wfooshee
You just wait. I'm told there are 600,000 Cubans in Miami right now. What happens when 5 times that many show up over just a few days? What are they going to eat? Where are they going to sleep? What will they drink?
If Cuba becomes a democracy then we will have no qualms shipping them back instead of granting them refuge. Right now it benefits us politically to take them in. If Cuba changes then it would be just like other illegal immigrants.

Besides, change is far off yet and we will have some sort of immigration reform in effect that might help with the situation by then, I hope.
 
Cubans are crazy. They were dancing and yelling outside. But I am happy for them. It must be nice to see something different going on in Cuba which might lead to other things. It's a good thought. I just got home from the Philippines a week ago and can't imagine how it feels like not to be able to visit a country where the population lives out a culture that I can only celebrate in the states once in a while when my parents throw a Filipino party. And to think that for Cubans, for them it's only a 90 mile boat trip away.
 
Nothing speeds up surgical recovery like a cuban cigar.
 
Maybe we should dig up Kennedy and Hoover and see if they have any brilliant plans as to how to get rid of Castro...

Exploding cigar anyone? Dolphins equipped with explosive devices?

(The list for stupid ways to kill Castro are endless. I know they are posted in the online interweb somewhere)
 
^Not quite.
Cubans Hope Raul Castro Brings Reform

Cuban President Fidel Castro, left, and his brother, Minister of Defense Rau...
By ANITA SNOW, AP
2 hours ago

HAVANA — Now that Fidel Castro has retired, many Cubans are looking to his brother to let more people open businesses, own homes and even travel abroad. But it will probably fall to a new generation of leaders to ultimately fulfill or frustrate their dreams of prosperity.

During his 1 1/2 years as acting president, 76-year-old Raul Castro has hinted at reform but made few major changes — a reticence many see as a sign of respect for his beloved, more doctrinaire older brother, who survived despite the efforts of 10 U.S. presidents to bring him down.

And while hoping that Raul and his likely No. 2, Carlos Lage, will advocate for change, they wonder how that will fly with Fidel, who stepped down but isn't going away.

"There has to be some change, more freedom with Raul," said Andres, 63, who like many Cubans wouldn't give his last name for fear of reprisal when talking about the Castro brothers. "The other one always nipped that off at the bud."

The resignation, announced Tuesday, should give Raul Castro the autonomy he lacked as the government's caretaker since Fidel was sidelined by intestinal surgery in July 2006.

The younger Castro raised expectations of openings in the state-controlled economy with his reported fascination with Chinese-style capitalism, calls for unspecified "structural changes," and acknowledgment that government wages averaging $19 a month do not satisfy basic needs. He also encouraged Cubans to open a fearless and critical debate, as long as they remember that the final decisions will be made by the island's Communist leaders.

"That way we reach decisions, and I'm talking about big decisions," he told student leaders in December 2006.

Many Cubans want to hear more such talk from their next leader. Inspired by Raul, some leading Cuban cultural figures have called recently for dropping onerous visa requirements and other limits on their freedoms, a message that resonates with ordinary Cubans.

"This is what we needed. I hope to God people have more freedom — the freedom to have opinions and always speak their minds," 37-year-old Lydis Perez said after dropping her son off at school. "People talk in the hallways or the back rooms. ... There's a lot of fear."

Fidel Castro, however, insisted in his resignation letter Tuesday that he won't disappear — or stay quiet if he sees his revolution going astray.

"This is not my farewell to you," he wrote. "My only wish is to fight as a soldier in the battle of ideas. I shall continue to write under the title, 'Reflections of Comrade Fidel.' It will be another weapon you can count on. Perhaps my voice will be heard."

As the Council of State's first vice president, Raul Castro has been his brother's constitutionally designated successor for decades, so the big question is who will take his place as No. 2 on Sunday when the National Assembly selects Cuba's new leadership.

A leading candidate is Lage, the de-facto prime minister, who at 56 is a full generation younger than the Castros. He's among the most experienced leaders in a power structure dominated by septuagenarian former rebels, and he has built a reputation as a reformer.

A less likely possibility could emerge from a handful of leaders in their 30s and 40s, such as Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque, whose Communist fervor earned them the collective nickname of "Young Talibans."

While no less loyal to the elder Castro, Lage was the architect of reforms that saved the island from economic collapse in the early 1990s. His moves allowed foreign investment in state enterprises, a measure of self-employment, and legal use of the U.S. dollar.

Raul Castro appears to get along with Lage, who is a quiet, pragmatic organizer like himself. Raul backed Lage's earlier reform proposals, especially farmers markets where excess crops are sold at market prices.

But both Lage and Raul Castro say any change will not be at the expense of socialism. And Lage has dampened hopes that Cuba would follow China and Vietnam in allowing capitalist markets to thrive.

"Their successes and failures should enrich our efforts," Lage told managers of state enterprises last year. "But the building of socialism in Cuba is only possible as a result of our own experiences."

Raul also has championed the concept of closer ties to the United States, offering again and again to discuss normalizing relations with Washington. But the Bush administration ruled that out Tuesday, deriding Raul Castro as "Fidel Lite."

That means that the nearly five-decade U.S. embargo of Cuba will remain in place for the known future — frustrating both Cubans and many Americans who see much potential in trade with the island, not only for business but as a catalyst for change.

And despite a detailed U.S. plan meant to encourage a "democratic transition" from the Castros' rule, Cuban officials insist the island's socialist political and economic systems will endure.

For now, that means Cuba's tiny dissident community can only wait, and hope that the new leadership will be more open to change from within.

"History will say if it is a good day," said Oswaldo Paya, whose Varela Project seeking a referendum on civil rights and electoral reforms was quashed under the elder Castro's rule.
I can see Fidel continue to run the country through his brother.
 
Probably, but once Castro kicks the bucket, its open season for Cuba. On a personal level, I'd be one to advocate a more open policy with Cuba as the United States. I'd imagine that with a warmer diplomatic and economic relationship, it would only be a matter of time before the people demand revolution and change in Cuba, thus, creating the grounds for democracy.

...One wonders what Obama will do...
 
...One wonders what Obama will do...

The Kennedy comparisons suddenly become kind of eerie ...

And yes. Castro may continue to rule by proxy for now. But like you say, 'now' probably doesn't equate to 'very long'... look at the man! He looks like something the Cryptkeeper picked out of his phlegm!

Raul is no spring chicken himself, and is by all informed sources MUCH less charismatic and MUCH less capable of maintaining a decisive grip on public opinion.
 
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