Fisker Loses $560k On Every Car Sold!!!

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I never really liked fisker much because the car looked so good and yet was so lame as a performance vehicle.

This news just makes me wonder if Fisker should have made the same car non-hybrid with an LS engine. :confused:
I bet that would have been a great car. đź‘Ť
 
Prime example of why starting a car company is virtually impossible now a days, unlike the dawn of car manufacturing when virtually every town had its own manufacturer.

And if you do manage to start a company, the only way to keep costs down and be profitable is to use off-the-shelf parts from established manufacturers. The best examples I can think of are "indie" sports or super car manufacturers (i.e. Spyker) of which many never design and build their own engines. To come to think of it, what I call the "big three" of exotics (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche) are among the only manufacturers that build and design their own engines but it should be noted each of them are backed by a larger parent company.

Tesla's costs were probably kept down by the fact the Roadster was basically an electric Elise, and I suspect their success with that car gave them the money to give genesis to the Model S.
 
Porsche and Ferrari have such fat profit margins on their cars that them being backed by a larger company (and, indeed, it barely counts for either of them; since Porsche operated independently all the way up until a few years ago when that strangeness with the VW buyout happened, and Ferrari is majority owned by FIAT the holding company rather than FIAT the automaker) is probably not that important. I doubt anything Porsche has brought to the market to date had any VW money put into it whatsoever (ignoring some of the stuff from the before the 80s), for example.


Lamborghini, though, yes.
 
And if you do manage to start a company, the only way to keep costs down and be profitable is to use off-the-shelf parts from established manufacturers. The best examples I can think of are "indie" sports or super car manufacturers (i.e. Spyker) of which many never design and build their own engines. To come to think of it, what I call the "big three" of exotics (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche) are among the only manufacturers that build and design their own engines but it should be noted each of them are backed by a larger parent company.

Tesla's costs were probably kept down by the fact the Roadster was basically an electric Elise, and I suspect their success with that car gave them the money to give genesis to the Model S.

I dont think Tesla survives much longer either.
 
^It'll depend on how many Model S' they sell.

Does Tesla get government funding? I thought I heard something about them getting government funding. If they do, that will help them a lot.
 
They did get funding from the government, but the difference for Tesla is that their costs for making a car is not out the wazoo like it was for Fisker. That and apparently they are selling the cars quite comfortably.

Such a shame for the Fisker, but hey that's business for you.
 
I don't want to go all teary-eyed patriot or anything, but I see Fiskers and Teslas on a daily basis around where I work (in addition to the more common bentleys, mercedes, maybachs, rolls, etc) and I have to say the pair of them are the best looking sedans on the market. Go America! Too bad one of them already folded.
 
And they used 6x the amount to produce these cars with tax payers money. I always hated Karmas.
 
I dont think Tesla survives much longer either.

What gives you that impression?

That's a genuine question, too. Because latest indications suggest they're the automaker with the highest-selling electric cars in the U.S. right now (i.e. more Model S are being sold each month than Chevy Volts, Nissan Leafs, Focus Electrics etc), they're on track to pay back their (smaller than Fisker-sized) DoE loan early, and unlike Fisker which had big quality issues with early production and endless issues afterwards, Tesla seems to have turned out a quality product too.

Tesla's position looks even better when you consider they're selling more Model S than BMW, Audi and Mercedes are selling 7-series, A8s and S-Class - similarly-priced and similarly-sized luxury rivals. I'm eagerly awaiting the first half-wit who says the Model S's sales are rubbish, considering its V8 and V12-powered rivals from century-old carmakers are selling less...

It's never easy starting a car company from scratch but Tesla is a very different proposition to Fisker.
 
I dont think Tesla survives much longer either.

In addition to what hfs has already said, I've started to see Model S everywhere. I see at least one or two every day.

With that kind of success this early, I think Tesla is on a pretty darn good track.
 
Dare I say it, your tax dollars at work?

Remains to be seen.

As sumbrownkid says above, it's a loan, not a grant. Now, if they're unable to pay that loan back, as Fisker have thus far been unable to do (and don't look like achieving any time soon) then it's a bad thing. Wasted tax dollars. "The next Solyndra", as people say.

But if Tesla pays it back (and they borrowed a heck of a lot less than Fisker did in the first place), then it's a good thing. Whatever people think of DoE loans, if Fisker pays it back and starts turning a profit, then it's paying its own taxes, it's creating jobs, it's another string to the bow of the American car industry.

The unfortunate thing is that the "green energy" industry is economically a bit dodgy. Partly because the incumbent industry is already heavily subsidized by tax dollars and it's tough to compete with that. Throw in the "automaker" thing and it's increasingly difficult to pull off. Chrysler is the youngest U.S. automaker still going, and it started all the way back in 1925 (and even it nearly died during the 2008 recession). The car industry is pretty difficult to survive in.

My suspicion is that Tesla has now made it far enough that it won't just fizzle out and die like Fisker is doing. Their image, reputation and products are too valueable and if the company hit a rough patch, I suspect there'd be half a dozen existing automakers willing to snap them up.
 

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