FITT: Blind Tuning Challenge! Congrats to Bowtie-muscle & Otaliema! Tuners Revealed!!

[Otaliema]

What time did you get? I'm probably not going to take another run at it, I think I could probably go faster in a different car but I don't really have time to test and build another one

1:08.9xx I posted the tune I used for it. In May garage or my tunes link in my sig will get you too it. It has more time in lots more time 1:07.xxx is doable if you can hold it together.

 

[TurnLeft]

I've been having a few, make that a lot of issues with my alerts, I should be tanned like a lobster but I'm as pale as the snow that surrounds me. So in catching up .......

Sorry for the delay guys, I got t busy at work someone is missing so I took double shift.

There is my reviews for the duel :

Tuner #1
Time – 1:12:016 DC 8
Very good job on the gearbox - lost of grip make the car not easy to over drive.

Tuner #2
Time – 1:15:037 DC 7.6
This tune may not be suitable with my driving – I think rear need bit more grip - standard gearbox might be the reason I could not get in the car

Tuner #3
Time – 1:11:203 DC 9
I had great time driving this tune – I think he is one that have the Racing Style – a bit of oversteer (manageable when you get use to the setup) - some times not getting in the curve strongly as I expected

Tuner #4
Time – 1:10:905 DC 9.6
This tune match my driving - was very easy to handle – when I got use to it fleet really nice and fun to push the car to the limits

Tuner #5
Time – 1:11:835 DC 8
Smooth gearbox – sometimes the grip made it not easy to push in corners

Tuner #6
Time – 1:11:651 DC 9.5
Nice balanced tune - easy to drive and easy to push the limits – maybe need a bit more power - the car has a very good response if loosing grip from over or under steer when over driving it's like always possible to get back on and still running through the time.

Tuner #7
Time – 1:11:402 DC 9.6
The car is well balanced grearbox is great this tune has a very good behavior in last curve

Tuner #8
Time – 1:12:161 DC 7.6
This tune might not feet my driving - gear seems to long for me – I felt the car unbalanced

Tuner #9
Time – 1:11:324 DC 9.7
Great car easy to handle – very good gearbox – got a bit of oversteer but could by over driving it

Tuner #10
Time – 1:11:337 DC 9.8
Every things good in this tune for this review is my favorite setup – gearbox very competitive a very good chassis behavior and responses – the car can be push to the limit 👍

Tuner #11
Time – 1:12:838 DC 8
This tune might not feet my driving – gear is good for the track – I think it need a bit more grip to be over drive

Great drive and review monsieur 👍, hope your feeling better and that the double work load will pay up a little. Best of luck in the GT300 challenge, .

Class 1:
The Duel ​

Tuner #1
1:10.403
DC - 9.5

Turn 1+2
-The car felt wonderful through here, really well balanced chassis which allowed me to use brake and throttle inputs to control the rotation of the car rather than just relying on the steering alone. The car did seem to wobble slightly as the weight tried to rebalance itself on exit and this could make it fishtail slightly if you weren't expecting it, easy enough to counter once you were used to it though.

Turn 3+4
-Fairly precise, a little bit of front end push as you entered the tunnel but not a problem whilst hot lapping

Turn 5+6
-Good on entry, brakes get the job done and the turn in felt precise and clean. Could get a little bit sloppy on exit if you asked too much of the car but otherwise struck a good balance of rotation and stability.

Turn 7+8+9
-No problems through here apart from the car feeling slightly floaty, the grip was adequate but wasn't confidence inspiring.

Turn 10
-The car had good rotation and felt precise but could be a bit of a handful on exit which I fear was costing it some time. If you got it right then it would do everything you asked of it but if you got it wrong then you were paying for it all the way down the following straight.

And I thought you were only fast with your tunings, just for my personal information, how much of the "coward pedal" did you use in turn 1

, that's what I thought. I like the way you broke up the review into the different turns 👍, good idea and yes pretty good driving .

Ok. These are my results for the testing of the Duel.

All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.

Here goes nothing.

Tune #1: RX8

DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048

Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.

Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.

Tune #2: S2000

DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257

Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.

Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.

Tune #3: RX8

DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880

Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).

Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.

Tune #4: RX8

DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)

Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.

That was real close to the 1:09.xxx, great driving and review on all the cars 👍 , I just hope you didn't tune your GT300 car as good as you drive, for my sake that is .

Ok, please bear with me as I am not by any means a pro driver. I have been racing Gran Turismo since the first game came out on PS1, but as stated earlier, you guys are out of my league. I use the DS3 controller (both sticks) and a (gasp) automatic transmission. Doing this challenge did teach me a few things about how different cars want and/or need to be driven on a different line and that I need more practice and patience on harder tires. That being said, here goes.

Tune #1 1.12.434 DC score 7.8

This car had plenty of understeer everywhere and just left me with an uneasy feeling when driving it. You have to turn in early and hope it sticks on exit. Also the transition from push to grip is not a smooth one so it often felt like the front end was being yanked over when it caught. Good power and decent gearing were a bonus, but this is not an optimal tune for me.


Tune #2 1.12.946 DC score 8.1

The first of the S2000s had spectacular chassis balance and was very comfy to drive for me. With a real trans and a touch more trail braking, it would be a fantastic tune. Rotated well on slower corners, but felt sluggish at times, especially on the front straight.


Tune #3 1.11.429 DC score 9.7

This car felt right at home as if I had tuned it myself. Great chassis balance with perfect brakes and good acceleration everywhere. I ran my fastest time in this one and it's definitely a keeper!!


Tune #4 1.11.504 DC score 9.5

That was excellent sir, very good drive and review:tup:. You know most of us are not pro drivers either, I to drive with a PSR controller, automatic (but I'm practicing with manual now) and YES - Driving Line -, if you look at my lap times on my first run we are practically the same, on the second run I tried different approaches and it payed off. One thing that helps is letting go the gas as you turn (sometimes), you'd be surprised at what you gain. I think it's great that you joined in and your opinion is as valuable as all others. Welcome on this Crazy Train

hey DolHaus, notice how this one ^^^ stays on the rails.

Great work fellows .

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ok, please bear with me as I am not by any means a pro driver. I have been racing Gran Turismo since the first game came out on PS1, but as stated earlier, you guys are out of my league. I use the DS3 controller (both sticks) and a (gasp) automatic transmission. Doing this challenge did teach me a few things about how different cars want and/or need to be driven on a different line and that I need more practice and patience on harder tires. That being said, here goes.

Tune #1 1.12.434 DC score 7.8

This car had plenty of understeer everywhere and just left me with an uneasy feeling when driving it. You have to turn in early and hope it sticks on exit. Also the transition from push to grip is not a smooth one so it often felt like the front end was being yanked over when it caught. Good power and decent gearing were a bonus, but this is not an optimal tune for me.


Tune #2 1.12.946 DC score 8.1

The first of the S2000s had spectacular chassis balance and was very comfy to drive for me. With a real trans and a touch more trail braking, it would be a fantastic tune. Rotated well on slower corners, but felt sluggish at times, especially on the front straight.


Tune #3 1.11.429 DC score 9.7

This car felt right at home as if I had tuned it myself. Great chassis balance with perfect brakes and good acceleration everywhere. I ran my fastest time in this one and it's definitely a keeper!!


Tune #4 1.11.504 DC score 9.5

This car felt just as good as #3 to me and was very easy to drive at the limit. The gearbox was outstanding and fit the track very well. If I were to change anything, I would try to iron out the slight tendency for corner exit understeer. Overall, a great tune.

Tune #5 1.12.822 DC score 8.4

This one was great on the higher speed corners but the transition from corner entry understeer to corner exit oversteer was hard for me to manage at times. It was also harder for me to put the power down in the low speed section after the tunnel. It just required more throttle finesse than some of the others. Otherwise, pretty decent tune overall.


Tune #6 1.11.445 DC score 9.0

This car was very stable everywhere, especially through 1 & 2. Slight understeer makes you hit your marks but the car rewards you if you do. This car has great rear wheel traction everywhere and really puts the power down. Great tune.


Tune #7 1.11.630 DC score 9.2

Perfect chassis balance on this one and it really goes where you point it. I felt like I could drive this one all day (and at 26 laps, I think I did). If I could change one thing, it would be the gearbox as it felt a little short at times. Otherwise fantastic tune. This will be a keeper as well.


Tune #8 1.14.002 DC score 7

This was by far the hardest car for me to drive as I use an auto trans. Once you get down to 2nd, it just wants to roast the tires from too much torque. It had just a little too much trail braking in the faster corners which would heat up the tires making exit oversteer almost inevitable. With a TC setting of 2, I could have probably gotten a much better time.


Tune #9 1.12.049 DC score 8.3

The chassis balance on this one was pretty good as were the brakes, but it's inability to put the power down in the slower corners hurt my lap times tremendously. The trans was very good for the track and with a few tweaks it could be a great car.


Tune #10 1.11.534 DC score 8.9

This was a really good car, but it's tendency to understeer meant you had to run the path the car chose. It was very fast and didn't disappoint on the lap times, but I wouldn't want to have to drive it in traffic. You get a little off line and it wasn't very forgiving. Still, overall a fast car.


Tune #11 1.12.966 DC score 8.1

The last car was very stable and forgiving with plenty of grip everywhere and good rear traction. It felt heavier and slightly less responsive, but very safe. I think what hurt the lap times the most was the trans feeling too tall and sluggish at times. It was a good tune, but didn't seem to stand out from the crowd.


I want to thank you guys for letting me get in on your testing session and I did have a lot of fun with it. It's cool to see how different tuners take different approaches to the same car and in the end, they suit different driving styles. I like my cars to be a little loose going in and hold the line coming out. They need to be able to change direction quickly (especially in traffic) and be forgiving at times. Some of the tunes in this challenge did just that and I applaud everyone's efforts. You guys make the gaming world a better place. As far as guessing which tune belongs to which person, I have no guesses. I am not familiar enough with any of the tuners to say this is (XXX)'s tune. I tune most of my cars myself, but come on here and randomly search for tunes if I get stumped on a particular car. I will try 2-3 from the site and tweak the one that works best for me. As stated before, I don't do a lot of driving on harder tires so that made the driving more of a challenge for me to control cars with less grip than I am used to. I also tend to use TC settings of 1 or 2 quite often to overcome my tendency to get impatient when pushing the limits.

Splendid testing effort If this is your 1st time doing tuning challenge test, I'd say job well done 👍 I am happy to read about my car, can't tell you which one though Another tester that gave good impression Thanks.

 

[Wydopen]

Thanks everyone for the welcomes and acceptance into your group. I would always be glad to join in on the fun whenever you need a tester. I have always loved the Gt series of games and it's the reason I have always stayed with Playstation over the years. I may jump in with a tune next time around as well, who knows. How often do you have these events? It really is a lot of fun and gives me another reason to play as often as I do and I am sure that I will gain skills through it that I wouldn't running 500 and 550pp cars on racing softs.

 

[Otaliema]

@TurnLeft your method of tagging dosnt give notifications in the drop down you need the @ at the start of the name not just a copy and paste

@Wydopen we run these about once a month to two months depends on how of and event is planned. I've had an off beat idea that I am going to post in the FITT thread see if there is any interest in it. And yes you will gain some good driving skills in these, want to have some fun and get better at the same time? Go grab one of the STI's from a past event and go burn up Silverstone The Stowe 100% water the cars were tuned for wet so they drive pretty well. It forces you to slow down and smooth out your inputs. Which than translates into faster lap times in dry.

 

[Otaliema]

Tuner #4 must have a littel bobble enter the back striaght as #10 and #7 are starting to catch up a little bit.

GVE R Lap Time Podium
1 Tuner #4 1:10.966 +00.000
2 Tuner #10 1:11.036 +00.070
3 Tuner #7 1:11.134 +00.168
4 Tuner #3 1:11.248 +00.281
5 Tuner #6 1:11.255 +00.289

The fans are starting to get pretty evenly split on who they like it's coming down who has the better paint job I think.
Drivers Choice Podium
1 Tuner #4 8.7 (8.73)
2 Tuner #7 8.7 (8.68)
3 Tuner #3 8.6 (8.56)
4 Tuner #6 8.5 (8.50)
5 Tuner #9 8.5 (8.48)

Fastest Lap at GVE R
1:10.048; Tuner #4's tune Driven By nijalnininja

 

[nijalninja]

Thanks everybody for not hating on my testing: I admit it is very erratic. Also, I knew that the lap with tune #4 was fast, but I didnt think it would be the fastest.

Here are my guesses for the duel:

Tune #1:@Bowtie-muscle
Tune #2:@brian wolf
Tune #3:@DaBomm4
Tune #4:@DrEmmettBrown
Tune #5:@ImToLegitToQuit
Tune #6:@Gino Caberlin
Tune #7:@praiano63
Tune #8:@Ridox2JZGTE
Tune #9:@xande1959
Tune #10:Unknown Tuner
Tune #11:@shaunm80

Literally just guesses.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Thanks everybody for not hating on my testing: I admit it is very erratic. Also, I knew that the lap with tune #4 was fast, but I didnt think it would be the fastest.

Here are my guesses for the duel:

Tune #1:@Bowtie-muscle
Tune #2:@brian wolf
Tune #3:@DaBomm4
Tune #4:@DrEmmettBrown
Tune #5:@ImToLegitToQuit
Tune #6:@Gino Caberlin
Tune #7:@praiano63
Tune #8:@Ridox2JZGTE
Tune #9:@xande1959
Tune #10:Unknown Tuner
Tune #11:@shaunm80

Literally just guesses.

I think number 3 had been revealed already, no need to guess that one Tuner#3 DrEmmettBrown aka Motor City Hami.

Need a new guess for #4.

 

[nijalninja]

I think number 3 had been revealed already, no need to guess that one Tuner#3 DrEmmettBrown aka Motor City Hami.

Need a new guess for #4.

Fine.

Tune #1:@Bowtie-muscle
Tune #2:@brian wolf
Tune #3:@DrEmmettBrown
Tune #4:@DaBomm4
Tune #5:@ImToLegitToQuit
Tune #6:@Gino Caberlin
Tune #7:@praiano63
Tune #8:@Ridox2JZGTE
Tune #9:@xande1959
Tune #10:Unknown Tuner
Tune #11:@shaunm80

They are nothing but guesses.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Fine.

Tune #1:@Bowtie-muscle
Tune #2:@brian wolf
Tune #3:@DrEmmettBrown
Tune #4:@DaBomm4
Tune #5:@ImToLegitToQuit
Tune #6:@Gino Caberlin
Tune #7:@praiano63
Tune #8:@Ridox2JZGTE
Tune #9:@xande1959
Tune #10:Unknown Tuner
Tune #11:@shaunm80

They are nothing but guesses.

Check page 19 if you haven't read it. It's just guesses, but just saying. Now you have more chance to guess correctly.

 

[nijalninja]

Check page 19 if you haven't read it. It's just guesses, but just saying. Now you have more chance to guess correctly.

I wasnt here for the guesses: I just wanted to see what all of these tuners had to offer.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I wasnt here for the guesses: I just wanted to see what all of these tuners had to offer.

Understood 👍

 

[nijalninja]

Are there any more testers that need to post results for the GT300 time attack?

 

[Otaliema]

Are there any more testers that need to post results for the GT300 time attack?

A few yes. Not sure who right off I'll look it up on a bit.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Fine.

Tune #1:@Bowtie-muscle
Tune #2:@brian wolf
Tune #3:@DrEmmettBrown
Tune #4:@DaBomm4
Tune #5:@ImToLegitToQuit
Tune #6:@Gino Caberlin
Tune #7:@praiano63
Tune #8:@Ridox2JZGTE
Tune #9:@xande1959
Tune #10:Unknown Tuner
Tune #11:@shaunm80

They are nothing but guesses.

Good guesses, you have the same number correct as someone else who guessed.

Now, still waiting for @DolHaus and @Otaliema to give theirs.

 

[Otaliema]

Guesses for the The Dual;
#1 @Ridox2JZGTE
#2 @xande1959
#3 @DrEmmettBrown
#4 @praiano63
#5 @shaunm80
#6 @brian wolf
#7 @Bowtie-muscle
#8 Unknown Tuner (@MrGrado I thinks)
#9 @Gino Caberlin
#10 @ImToLegitToQuit
#11 @DaBomm4

And there you have it for my best guesstamets.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Guesses for the The Dual;
#1 @Ridox2JZGTE
#2 @xande1959
#3 @DrEmmettBrown
#4 @praiano63
#5 @shaunm80
#6 @brian wolf
#7 @Bowtie-muscle
#8 Unknown Tuner (@MrGrado I thinks)
#9 @Gino Caberlin
#10 @ImToLegitToQuit
#11 @DaBomm4

And there you have it for my best guesstamets.

Interesting choices there!

 

[DolHaus]

I thought I'd try some GT6 inspired mods on my own car...

Front ride height higher than the rear: Check
Plenty of rear ballast: Check


Now off to the Nurburgring to set a sub 6 minute lap time

 

[Wydopen]

A few years back I had a 92 Caprice LTZ as a daily driver that was done up as a 94 Impala clone with a custom all steel cowl induction hood. When I swapped out the rear end for a disc brake model from a 96 cop car, I added all poly bushings all the way around and gave the front a "Playstation" alignment completely ignoring the factory specs. That thing handled great for a big boat and I used to toss my passengers around in the front seat. Everyone that rode with me was amazed at how well it handled including its former owner. I loved that car, but the Illinois winters took its toll and the body started to rust away to nothing so I sold it. Sometimes I wish I still had it.

 

[Lionheart2113]

I thought I'd try some GT6 inspired mods on my own car...


View attachment 309407

Front ride height higher than the rear: Check
Plenty of rear ballast: Check


Now off to the Nurburgring to set a sub 6 minute lap time

From that pic (I know it might just be my eyes playing tricks) but it looks like the front axle is wider than the rear. That's gotta be worth a few seconds on the ring. Another 10 seconds if you throw a spoiler on that FF!

 

[DolHaus]

From that pic (I know it might just be my eyes playing tricks) but it looks like the front axle is wider than the rear. That's gotta be worth a few seconds on the ring. Another 10 seconds if you throw a spoiler on that FF!

I'll be sure to put the racing stripe on when I get there, it would be too much of a handful for public roads otherwise

(It could well be wider at the front, one of its many inventive approaches to speed and handling)

 

[mgo]

Now, your tunes in the GT300 Class.........................................I have no idea who was who really.

Look up for the worst tune and you get me

Great drive and review monsieur 👍, hope your feeling better and that the double work load will pay up a little. Best of luck in the GT300 challenge, .

Thx I'm better now and soon as I got time (Sunday morning I think) I'll gave the tunes another try see if I improve some times on the track

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

@DolHaus you may want to make your guesses before more tuners give away their identity.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

@DolHaus you may want to make your guesses before more tuners give away their identity.

Another one just gave himself away, should all testers know about this ?

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Another one just gave himself away, should all testers know about this ?

Hope not

 

[DolHaus]

@DolHaus you may want to make your guesses before more tuners give away their identity.

#1 @ImToLegitToQuit
#2 @Ridox2JZGTE
#3 @DrEmmettBrown
#4 @Ronald6 - Mystery Tuner
#5 @shaunm80
#6 @xande1959
#7 @DaBomm4
#8 @Gino Caberlin
#9 @Bowtie-muscle
#10 @praiano63
#11 @brian wolf


A lot of these are just pulling names out of a hat and putting them next to a number so if your name falls next to one I wasn't particularly fond of in the review then don't take that as my view of your tuning ability/style

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

#1 @ImToLegitToQuit
#2 @Ridox2JZGTE
#3 @DrEmmettBrown
#4 @Ronald6 - Mystery Tuner
#5 @shaunm80
#6 @xande1959
#7 @DaBomm4
#8 @Gino Caberlin
#9 @Bowtie-muscle
#10 @praiano63
#11 @brian wolf


A lot of these are just pulling names out of a hat and putting them next to a number so if your name falls next to one I wasn't particularly fond of in the review then don't take that as my view of your tuning ability/style

Good guessing, well.....maybe. There only 2 testers left, not sure how many more guesses though. I might start telling scores later.

 

[Lionheart2113]

Good guessing, well.....maybe. There only 2 testers left, not sure how many more guesses though. I might start telling scores later.

You could list out scores...the remaining testers might be able to do the math by process of elimination, but Yikes!
I like numbers but even I wouldn't go through the trouble. I need my Crayola's.

Edit:
Of course if 1 of the testers got them all correct, I wouldn't need my crayons!

 

[biffa3]

Working on my guesses as we speak, think I can get my quickest 3 right, struggling with the rest. Been holding off for a reason only @Bowtie-muscle knows!! Gt300 class results also coming soon. Some more cracking results submitted since I was last here, kudos to @nijalninja , @DolHaus ,@mgo and @Wydopen for some quick times and excellent reviewing.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

You could list out scores...the remaining testers might be able to do the math by process of elimination, but Yikes!
I like numbers but even I wouldn't go through the trouble. I need my Crayola's.

Edit:
Of course if 1 of the testers got them all correct, I wouldn't need my crayons!

Every one has done so good that I am not sure it will help @macdog54 or @demonchilde if they decide to even try. @Wydopen said he will not try and in fairness, he is not familiar with the tuners enough to. @mgo has not said either way but also has a good excuse not to.
Maybe I will wait for @biffa3 .