FITT Ford Challenges by MCH

[Otaliema]

Not a bad idea but 650pp is a lot of hp for sport softs. I may change my mind. I just feel bad tuning and not being able to test because of the tires.

It is doable S license race at big willow is 650 on street cars and they wear out. I ran a 650 MP4-C on SM tires the entire race. Granted I was "nursing" it to kind to the tires to do it on one pit stop.

 

[Badger66]

Would it be okay to Enter a tune for the Ford Focus...Please

 

[Pete05]

So tune it on SS tires and let the testers have at it on the RH tires , I am going to resume my old habit of turning a tire level down so that I get better response from the cars on the correct tire.

I'm not a tuner myself but that's a very interesting method there & I can see your approach.
After you've tuned a tyre level down, do you have a run on the spec tyres to see if everything translates ok?

 

[Otaliema]

I'm not a tuner myself but that's a very interesting method there & I can see your approach.
After you've tuned a tyre level down, do you have a run on the spec tyres to see if everything translates ok?

Always do when crossing into a new tire type to make sure the lack of tread on the softer tires doesn't need some tweaking but it helps dial in the tune well. And is a big help on the lsd.

 

[DaBomm4]

Do the tests have to be done online?

Testing is to be done in time trial mode using ABS 1 and grip reduction set to real. Please post your results and feedback within this forum.

Testing should be in arcade time trial mode, so offline testing. So, will you be joining us in this event as a tester?

 

[Harsk100]

Testing should be in arcade time trial mode, so offline testing. So, will you be joining us in this event as a tester?

I would like to do so, but I can't because my PS3 is sick with YLOD

 

[gtmetacrisis]

I'll test for the Focus group. Tune for the Mustangs.

 

[DolHaus]

I would like to do so, but I can't because my PS3 is sick with YLOD

Then why do you ask? Your PS3 has been dead for the last 3 contests that you've asked the same question in

 

[Harsk100]

Then why do you ask? Your PS3 has been dead for the last 3 contests that you've asked the same question in

Because it was just an question, nothing else.

 

[Lionheart2113]

@Motor City Hami you are too kind to the testers with this challenge! A short list of cheap-ish cars and not a lot of specific options to have to sort through. Not to mention the amount of time to test for each class. Looks great!

 

[DolHaus]

@Motor City Hami you are too kind to the testers with this challenge! A short list of cheap-ish cars and not a lot of specific options to have to sort through. Not to mention the amount of time to test for each class. Looks great!

They deserve a rest after the last one

 

[DaBomm4]

Because it was just an question, nothing else.

Not everyone can be online enough or some don't want the hassle of going online to test, so unless the host specifically states that testing is to be done online, it is going to be in the arcade mode time trial. It keeps everything equal and the only variable would be the test driver skill then. This answer will probably not change in the near future unless I stated something wrong. Good luck with the PS3 situation.

 

[Harsk100]

Not everyone can be online enough or some don't want the hassle of going online to test, so unless the host specifically states that testing is to be done online, it is going to be in the arcade mode time trial. It keeps everything equal and the only variable would be the test driver skill then. This answer will probably not change in the near future unless I stated something wrong. Good luck with the PS3 situation.

Thank you. When my PS3 is fixed, I'll join.

 

[randyrockstiff]

Ford Focus ST Challenge

Eligible Cars:
2013 Ford Focus ST
2006 Ford Focus ST

The Ford Focus ST has received high marks from car guys around the world. Though we have missed out on all previous versions of the ST here in the United States, the current version now on sale here is superb. But which one is better?

Top Gear reviewed the 2013 Focus ST saying, "The Focus ST drives with real poise and grace, delivering the agility of a supermini hot hatch but with the extra composure of something that bit bigger. It’ll both wag its tail if you lift off mid-corner yet also ride with firm, controlled comfort too."

In a similar review of the 2006 Focus ST, Top Gear said, "The torque it chucks out is immense. Any gear, any revs, any prod on the throttle, you get a deep bellow and a very, very satisfying surge. Oooooh."

Love for these cars in the real world is one thing, but how did PD do with them in GT6? Did they capture the essence of these cars as described by reviewers around the world? Or did they slap on the typical PD ill handling FF template and push them out in the game never having driven one or having read a single review? Which one will be more popular in this challenge?

Track: London Reverse 1.19 miles
The rationale for this track selection was to find something tight and twisty. The Ford Focus ST is said to have go kart like handling, so lets test it out. If you would like to grind for cash while you tune for this event, try the National B licence, City Trial: Race 3. Or you could use the current seasonal at London. Neither of these events uses the reverse version of London, but initial tuning can be done in the normal direction and fine tuning on the reverse circuit.

Allowed Parts:
450 PP
Comfort Soft Tires
Rims Standard Size only
Six Speed Transmission non-adjustable
Front Aero Kit allowed
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes allowed
Fully Customizable LSD allowed
Clutch & Flywheel upgrades allowed
All Power Upgrades Allowed
Power limiting 90% or above
Full Weight Reduction allowed
Full Ballast allowed

Banned Parts:
No Oil Changes
No Body Rigidity
No Engine Overhaul
No Wings or Flat Floors
No Nitrous Oxide

Scoring:
Lap time and driver’s choice as separate podiums. See scoring points method in post #7.

Deadlines:
Tunes are due Tuesday, September 30th at midnight, wherever midnight is in your part of the planet. I tend to wake up around 6:30 am Eastern Standard Time so pretty much have your tune posted before I get to the computer on Wednesday morning.

Test driver results are due Sunday, October 12th at midnight, wherever midnight is in your part of the planet. Testing is to be done in time trial mode using ABS 1 and grip reduction set to real. Please post your results and feedback within this forum.

maybe a silly question but is bonnet and windows weight reduction allowed for the focus challenge ?

 

[Motor City Hami]

maybe a silly question but is bonnet and windows weight reduction allowed for the focus challenge ?

Yes. Full weight reduction and full use of ballast is approved.

Power limiting to only 90%

 

[randyrockstiff]

Yes. Full weight reduction and full use of ballast is approved.

Power limiting to only 90%

thanks mate.

 

[Motor City Hami]

@Motor City Hami you are too kind to the testers with this challenge! A short list of cheap-ish cars and not a lot of specific options to have to sort through. Not to mention the amount of time to test for each class. Looks great!

I do have an idea for a mini-challenge in the middle of all of this. One small car at the GT Arena. I ran 30 second lap times there with a Focus ST. Testers would drive three laps and score a total time for the three laps. It could be a really fun twist for a quick one week challenge.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I think the Focus ST group is going to be super tight, I've done some testing on both cars and the tuning improvements are a matter of 1000ths of a second. I wouldn't be surprised to see the entire field split by less than a second

I tested both cars and truly cannot decide which one I like best. One rotates a little better than the other, but the other is better on exit. Really having fun with the two cars.

All entry requests updated through post #47. Please let me know if I missed any entries.

Thanks.

 

[shaunm80]

I tested both cars and truly cannot decide which one I like best. One rotates a little better than the other, but the other is better on exit. Really having fun with the two cars.

I think I have found the same thing. I have made my choice of which car I am going to use and are trying to solve the small issues it has. This car has the ability to knock of half a second in a lap if you get a good lap.

 

[DolHaus]

I tested both cars and truly cannot decide which one I like best. One rotates a little better than the other, but the other is better on exit. Really having fun with the two cars.

All entry requests updated through post #47. Please let me know if I missed any entries.

Thanks.

I gave both a good long test and even with a base tune I couldn't figure out which might be faster in the end, they have their own strengths and weaknesses which balance out really well. Fun cars though, they feel right at home on the circuit 👍

 

[Chipmonk77]

I would like to sign in for the Mustang Class as tuner. I already took Part in the Miata Challenge and ut was really great.

Is there also a 90% Limit in Power for this Class and is there a minimum weight, especially for the Shelby Mustang...

Have fun,
Patrick

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

I'm not a tuner myself but that's a very interesting method there & I can see your approach.
After you've tuned a tyre level down, do you have a run on the spec tyres to see if everything translates ok?

Always do when crossing into a new tire type to make sure the lack of tread on the softer tires doesn't need some tweaking but it helps dial in the tune well. And is a big help on the lsd.

I do the same thing. If there's a behavior that I can't seem to figure out on ss tires then I go down to sh or cs and that behavior is typically magnified on the harder tires and I can fix it.

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

@Motor City Hami I will test mustangs also since we are short handed

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Put me down also to tune and test the Mustangs Hami, IF time allows I may also test the GT class. Since there is still time for that, I will let you know later.

 

[332i]

I don't feel right doing anything for the Ford gt because I despise racing tires

Not a bad idea but 650pp is a lot of hp for sport softs. I may change my mind. I just feel bad tuning and not being able to test because of the tires.

These comments are funny. People who refuse to have anything to do with racing tires are worse than people who won't touch comforts, IMO. The defense is always "too much grip" or "unpredictable as when they'll break loose" and "hard to regain control the car", etc. None of which make sense to me. Too much grip? There's no such thing. These comments come down to someone either having a higher than thou mindset or literally can't wrap their head around driving on race tires. I figure it is probably tough to do on a controller to regain control. That's all I can think of...but I know people who use controllers in race car TTs who do well...so...

I don't use race tires on street cars as they feel funky and skippy and the tune has to be changed. I understand not wanting to put race tires on road cars. It is stupid to a point. But, I also understand putting hards on a 650pp borderline race car. That's what it boils down to right there. What's the gt40 race car come on? I imagine racing hards and I haven't driven it in the game, but I would be really surprised if the modern road version didn't smack it.

A lot of race cars at 650pp on racing hards...if not all, will have more grip than a road car with 650pp on hards. It has no downforce and would inevitably be forced to have more power, to meet 650pp, being that it is not a race car. A 650pp road car will always have bus loads more power than a 650pp race car. You can tune an LMP like a 908 down to 600pp, but the thing also ends up with 400 some odd horsepower and your racing against cars with much more power. Then you have downforce and much wider tires. So...I think he is 100% correct in doing racing hards with the GT.

 

[DaBomm4]

These comments are funny. People who refuse to have anything to do with racing tires are worse than people who won't touch comforts, IMO. The defense is always "too much grip" or "unpredictable as when they'll break loose" and "hard to regain control the car", etc. None of which make sense to me. Too much grip? There's no such thing. These comments come down to someone either having a higher than thou mindset or literally can't wrap their head around driving on race tires. I figure it is probably tough to do on a controller to regain control. That's all I can think of...but I know people who use controllers in race car TTs who do well...so...

I don't use race tires on street cars as they feel funky and skippy and the tune has to be changed. I understand not wanting to put race tires on road cars. It is stupid to a point. But, I also understand putting hards on a 650pp borderline race car. That's what it boils down to right there. What's the gt40 race car come on? I imagine racing hards and I haven't driven it in the game, but I would be really surprised if the modern road version didn't smack it.

A lot of race cars at 650pp on racing hards...if not all, will have more grip than a road car with 650pp on hards. It has no downforce and would inevitably be forced to have more power, to meet 650pp, being that it is not a race car. A 650pp road car will always have bus loads more power than a 650pp race car. You can tune an LMP like a 908 down to 600pp, but the thing also ends up with 400 some odd horsepower and your racing against cars with much more power. Then you have downforce and much wider tires. So...I think he is 100% correct in doing racing hards with the GT.

Well, my reasoning against using racing class tires in most cases is the grip seems unnatural. That is all point of view or opinion but it is still my reason for my preference. The challenge might be manageable on sport softs but @Motor City Hami decided racing hard is what the requirement is. The point is, either agree to the terms of the challenge and tune a car, or abstain from the challenge at hand.

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

These comments are funny. People who refuse to have anything to do with racing tires are worse than people who won't touch comforts, IMO. The defense is always "too much grip" or "unpredictable as when they'll break loose" and "hard to regain control the car", etc. None of which make sense to me. Too much grip? There's no such thing. These comments come down to someone either having a higher than thou mindset or literally can't wrap their head around driving on race tires. I figure it is probably tough to do on a controller to regain control. That's all I can think of...but I know people who use controllers in race car TTs who do well...so...

I don't use race tires on street cars as they feel funky and skippy and the tune has to be changed. I understand not wanting to put race tires on road cars. It is stupid to a point. But, I also understand putting hards on a 650pp borderline race car. That's what it boils down to right there. What's the gt40 race car come on? I imagine racing hards and I haven't driven it in the game, but I would be really surprised if the modern road version didn't smack it.

A lot of race cars at 650pp on racing hards...if not all, will have more grip than a road car with 650pp on hards. It has no downforce and would inevitably be forced to have more power, to meet 650pp, being that it is not a race car. A 650pp road car will always have bus loads more power than a 650pp race car. You can tune an LMP like a 908 down to 600pp, but the thing also ends up with 400 some odd horsepower and your racing against cars with much more power. Then you have downforce and much wider tires. So...I think he is 100% correct in doing racing hards with the GT.

your logic is what's funny. You defend racing tires and then agree that they don't transfer well to street cars...you are aware that the Ford GT 05' is a street car right ?

I think that when you have so much grip in the front that when you turn in the rear tires lose traction, there is too much grip. I like the fight of trying to keep the car on the knife edge of grip and acceleration to be the fastest that that car can be. If you feel I am "holier than thou" because of it, that sounds like your problem not mine.

We both have our opinions and that is fine, just try not to contradict yourself when making a point. This is not the place for an argument though, this is for the Ford challenge. If you'd like to continue to talk about tires, feel free to message me.

 

[Motor City Hami]

These comments are funny. People who refuse to have anything to do with racing tires are worse than people who won't touch comforts, IMO. The defense is always "too much grip" or "unpredictable as when they'll break loose" and "hard to regain control the car", etc. None of which make sense to me. Too much grip? There's no such thing. These comments come down to someone either having a higher than thou mindset or literally can't wrap their head around driving on race tires. I figure it is probably tough to do on a controller to regain control. That's all I can think of...but I know people who use controllers in race car TTs who do well...so...

I don't use race tires on street cars as they feel funky and skippy and the tune has to be changed. I understand not wanting to put race tires on road cars. It is stupid to a point. But, I also understand putting hards on a 650pp borderline race car. That's what it boils down to right there. What's the gt40 race car come on? I imagine racing hards and I haven't driven it in the game, but I would be really surprised if the modern road version didn't smack it.

A lot of race cars at 650pp on racing hards...if not all, will have more grip than a road car with 650pp on hards. It has no downforce and would inevitably be forced to have more power, to meet 650pp, being that it is not a race car. A 650pp road car will always have bus loads more power than a 650pp race car. You can tune an LMP like a 908 down to 600pp, but the thing also ends up with 400 some odd horsepower and your racing against cars with much more power. Then you have downforce and much wider tires. So...I think he is 100% correct in doing racing hards with the GT.

Tuner or test driver or just looking to share your insightful knowledge?

 

[ugabugaz]

I'd like to enter the Focus ST portion. Going to tune the '13.

 

[fourevaboostin]

i'd be down to tune the gt40 and test the stangs out…i can def do the testing and what not since this fall in line with my wedding this coming weekend