FITT Miata Tuning Challenge

[shaunm80]

JackWilson... thank you, one of my preferred race 👍

Shaumn80 ...!!! your adjustment Roadster Touring Car for Silverstone is 493 PP when it should be 500 PP...
an error may be ??

Go with what I did. I don't know why it didn't goto 500PP. No time to look at it right now as I'm about to get ready to drive to Bournemouth. Roll with what the tune already created. Its all good.

 

[DolHaus]

For those tuners who took on Matterhorn, I have the utmost respect for you. Fast or slow, it doesn't matter! I've been on the track for license events and maybe a seasonal, but nothing like this, and now I understand...

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No explanation needed, really. I guess my "Hulk Smash" approach might need some finesse. But I think I know the problem...
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I'm not going to say who's tune I was using for learning the track, but the right front tire isn't attached, it seems to lose rims, and the rear bar is puncturing the tire! And who says GT6 doesn't possess ground breaking graphics? Of course they probably weren't counting on complete morons like me!
But.....
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Not a single headlight or window scratched or broken. I think due to this, I'm going to stop the testing for a couple of days and read a book on "How to Drive"....ok, maybe more than 1.

That'll polish out lol

my advice would be to avoid going flat out on the downhill section, a little lift makes the car a lot more compliant and loses very little speed

 

[Onboy123]

Quite how he managed to end up up-side-down by that point, I don't know. First time I've seen anyone crash there and end up looking at the ground. What on earth did you hit?

 

[Lionheart2113]

Quite how he managed to end up up-side-down by that point, I don't know. First time I've seen anyone crash there and end up looking at the ground. What on earth did you hit?

Just slid down the wall on the right hand side, up I went, sliding on the nose for a good couple of seconds, then it was the laws of physics from there. Funniest part was after I was sitting on all 4's again, all of the signs came down like a hail storm around me.

Edit: Found the sliding on the nose pic....

 

[Motor City Hami]

Just slid down the wall on the right hand side, up I went, sliding on the nose for a good couple of seconds, then it was the laws of physics from there. Funniest part was after I was sitting on all 4's again, all of the signs came down like a hail storm around me.

It is not difficult to do. I did this maybe 30 times during tuning. I almost gave up and switched to a different class.

 

[DolHaus]

Just slid down the wall on the right hand side, up I went, sliding on the nose for a good couple of seconds, then it was the laws of physics from there. Funniest part was after I was sitting on all 4's again, all of the signs came down like a hail storm around me.

I took a drift car through that section to see if I could collect all the signs with the back end of the car, was good fun but definitely a case of luck over judgement most of the time.
The corners to look out for are that one (lift slightly for the chicane and careful on the curbs), the right hander just after the downhill section that goes over a crest (early braking very important) and the 2nd to last one that goes under a bridge (narrower than it looks)

 

[Lionheart2113]

It is not difficult to do. I did this maybe 30 times during tuning. I almost gave up and switched to a different class.

I can't even begin to imagine trying to tune for this track, fair play to those who stuck with it! It's going to take me a bit to get this track down...auto transmission is killing me up the hill at the start, and my driving skills, or lack of, ruin the rest of the lap. A good 4 seconds off of seb15000 slowest time on lap 1.

 

[seb15000]

@seb15000 , mind elaborating on the gearbox issue? What didn't work? Were you not able to get the ratios or were they too long for the track?

Hi Onboy
well I simply can not spend 6 report, I am at the bottom of the long descent in 5 (222km)

 

[DolHaus]

I had the same problem with automatic gears, you were fine if you went up the hill in 3rd but most of the time the car wanted to be in 4th and gives you no power.
I really wish there was a semi-auto mode for transmission

 

[Onboy123]

Hi Onboy
well I simply can not spend 6 report, I am at the bottom of the long descent in 5 (222km)

Ah, I see. Well, it was either run long 1st, 2nd and 3rd for more control or a short 5th and 6th for better acceleration…and I went with the longer gears because people might choose to use the tune on faster track later on as well.

 

[seb15000]

Donpost !!! Rear downforce
200 is displayed on your adjustment of the Mazda Touring Car !!!
while the minimum is a 205, error may be ??

 

[xande1959]

Roadster Touring Car Results
All testing done at Silverstone GP
ABS 1 only with my Fanatec wheel and pedals (see signature)

donpost
Time: 2'08.699
DC - 9

Braking felt a bit lacking, trail braking was rather difficult. But very nicely set-up otherwise, handling felt really good.


iainoflo85
Time: 2'07.715
DC - 8

Slight understeer in some corners compared to Don's tune - but much faster out of the corners.


kapnk006
Time: 2'08.053
DC - 6

Unstable under braking in some corners, understeer in the faster corners and the fact that the rear sometimes stepped out on exit made this a rather unpredictable car to drive and harder to get used to. Where the first two cars in this class didn't get any red laps this had quite a few, but once I got used to it the laptimes started to drop. Fast but not exactly stable.


krenkme
Time: 2'09.241
DC - 7

Very nice car to drive, except for the obvious understeer and not the best braking power. Aside from that it did prove to be okay - a nice car, but not the fastest. Quite the reverse of kapok's - stable but not fast.


Otaliema
Time: 2'08.838
DC - 9

A well tuned car, handled beautifully - but it just couldn't keep up with my ghost.


praiano63
Time: 2'07.079
DC - 10

Was absolutely fantastic - easily could have got a 2'06 were it not for the trouble the car always finds in the last set of corners, it understeers there and only there - amazing and fast everywhere else, it just has trouble in the last couple of corners before the finish line.


xande1959
Time: 2'08.618
DC - 8

Understeer was this tune's biggest problem - it was really bad in the low speed corners and the high speed corners. The other corners it was fine.


Motor City Hami
Time: 2'07.934
DC - 9

The usual problems with understeer were apparent here but it was actually quite minor. The biggest trouble I found was wheerspin on corner exit - the wheels didn't lock, but I could hear it and there was a definite drop in revs. The car was very stable and felt fast but corner exit was a struggle, as was slow corner understeer.


shaunm80
Time: 2'10.581
DC - 9

Handling was great, understeer was minimal and only in certain corners but it was the least of my problems. Biggest issue was transmission - Final Gear at 2.800? If that's not a typo then that's the only problem and the reason for the laptime. It was really slow getting into the powerband and it never hit 5th gear once. MCH's ghost sped off at the S/F line so there is some serious issues with the gearing. But everything else was great and since DC is based on feeling rather than laptime I was happy to give it a 9.

-to be a medium speed circuit for high I concluded that high-gain curves, then missed recognize him, thanks at least my best time 2:08. *** was not negligible have to improve.

 

[seb15000]

Ah, I see. Well, it was either run long 1st, 2nd and 3rd for more control or a short 5th and 6th for better acceleration…and I went with the longer gears because people might choose to use the tune on faster track later on as well.

ahhh ok, I understand better now !!!
what is more important, the test is done, thank you for the information 👍
it remains a very good adjustment, do not worry

 

[Motor City Hami]

I had the same problem with automatic gears, you were fine if you went up the hill in 3rd but most of the time the car wanted to be in 4th and gives you no power.
I really wish there was a semi-auto mode for transmission

In GT4 and GT5 couldn't you hold both L2 and R2 when running with automatic transmission and it would keep it locked in the current gear until you released it? I changed to manual during GT4 so I haven't tried this since.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Donpost !!! Rear downforce
200 is displayed on your adjustment of the Mazda Touring Car !!!
while the minimum is a 205, error may be ??

I got mine down to 200 as well.

 

[Lionheart2113]

In GT4 and GT5 couldn't you hold both L2 and R2 when running with automatic transmission and it would keep it locked in the current gear until you released it? I changed to manual during GT4 so I haven't tried this since.

Used to be if you hit the triangle button, it would drop the RPM's down to 0, then it would downshift when you hit the throttle again at apex. I think that stopped in GT2. I'll have to try what you said, Hami....once I get back from the library with my driving books!

 

[DolHaus]

In GT4 and GT5 couldn't you hold both L2 and R2 when running with automatic transmission and it would keep it locked in the current gear until you released it? I changed to manual during GT4 so I haven't tried this since.

I don't know but I'll definitely have a look, that could be more than useful. I really should just stop being lazy and learn manual

 

[praiano63]

Hello guys,
results of my test Street Touring Roadster !!!
not having much time and saw that there was quite a test setup I only make 8 LAPS for each adjustment
the comments made are just my impression and not a criticism
a nice car lot and I really enjoyed a test
thank you to all Tuners for this remarkable work 👍

-without aid, ABS 1, DS3

Thanks for the test Seb, nice time, this is really not my kind of track .... The downhill part is very hard to nail and i didn´t wanted to tune the car only to have stability in this part.
The car is agressive on his suspensions and rear brakes bias, this is ok for all the others turns.
Let´s see next.
><(((((°>°°°°°

 

[seb15000]

Roadster Touring Car FITT tune
Roadster '07 FITT tune
I may be able to get some better photo's for the photo mode comp no promises things are getting crazy around my house right now.
I'm pretty happy with the tunes, the Touring car is pulling low 2:10's in my hands consistently, the Roadster '07 is pulling low 1:46's consistently when i get clean runs. 1:52's when I slip up.

*Edit adjusted image size was a tad small

Hi Otaliema
I am having difficulty on your adjustment of the Roadster Touring Car for silverstone !!!
-weight-distribution is not
-PP does not match
_weight of the car

Look :

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

@Otaliema Thank you 👍
@seb15000 Thank you 👍
@Lionheart2113 Thank you 👍
Thank you all for your time driving my car , I hope you are well

ND

 

[seb15000]

Thanks for the test Seb, nice time, this is really not my kind of track .... The downhill part is very hard to nail and i didn´t wanted to tune the car only to have stability in this part.
The car is agressive on his suspensions and rear brakes bias, this is ok for all the others turns.
Let´s see next.
><(((((°>°°°°°

Hello Mr Praiano
yes I love this kind of track and I love everything that is mounted race !!!
I do not like Silverstone by cons ...
thank you to you, if only I had your talent Tuners, I could make my own tuning but I know nothing at all
it remains a very good adjustment you made, that happiness 👍
has soon

 

[donpost]

Donpost !!! Rear downforce
200 is displayed on your adjustment of the Mazda Touring Car !!!
while the minimum is a 205, error may be ??

I'll double check when I get home but I'm sure it was 200

 

[DaBomm4]

DaBomm4
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB,J) '04
Time: 1:32.649
Drivers Choice: 10.0
This car was amazing!! I remember, when driving this, trying to figure out if there was anything I could find wrong with the car...before I knew it I was already onto the next lap. This car would drive itself. Just a tad on the snug side overall, but that's probably down to me.

Thanks for the review, this was a fun car to tune and it was given a lot of attention when tuning, I just didn't want to stop driving it.

@DaBomm4 Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04

Laptime;1:35.339 Drivers Choice;8

Impressions of the tune; This a great car to drive, rotation was good, wheel spin was non-existent, Was stable in corners and under acceleration. I encountered problems when I had to high speed brake the car, it was only stable in a completely straight line, trail braking was not an option with this car in the mid speed or higher turns.

I wonder if my failure to write down racing brakes made the difference. Thanks for the review also. 👍

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

@jules283 @Lionheart2113 @Otaliema thanks for the feedback:tup: One question though since you all tested both of my tunes, which was the better for its class? Just so I can improve for the future. My style of driving tends to lean more toward finesse than aggressive and that may be something I need to work on......Trailbraking? Yeah right, I dont tend to use but I am trying to figure that out. Anyway, great job and excellent feedback, MUCH APPRECIATED

 

[Lionheart2113]

@jules283 @Lionheart2113 @Otaliema thanks for the feedback:tup: One question though since you all tested both of my tunes, which was the better for its class? Just so I can improve for the future. My style of driving tends to lean more toward finesse than aggressive and that may be something I need to work on......Trailbraking? Yeah right, I dont tend to use but I am trying to figure that out. Anyway, great job and excellent feedback, MUCH APPRECIATED

When I was asking you about your lap times, I had just driven your improved touring tune and was wow impressed, making me hate my tune even more! That is my favorite of the 2. I'm not a trail-breaker either, maybe that is why the tune and I got along just fine.👍

 

[xande1959]

@seb15000

Hello guys,
results of my test Street Touring Roadster !!!
not having much time and saw that there was quite a test setup I only make 8 LAPS for each adjustment
the comments made are just my impression and not a criticism
a nice car lot and I really enjoyed a test
thank you to all Tuners for this remarkable work 👍

-without aid, ABS 1, DS3

yes indeed could have taken flat floors had already posted but still would have Modar entire suspension, the onboy123 already have warned me about HP but seb15000 parabens, thanks👍

 

[Otaliema]

Hi Otaliema
I am having difficulty on your adjustment of the Roadster Touring Car for silverstone !!!
-weight-distribution is not
-PP does not match
_weight of the car

Look :

Run with it seb it's what I posted as the tune.

 

[seb15000]

here is the video of Laps with the Mazda Roadster NC'07, tuning HAMI !!!
if it can help some testers
No aid, ABS1, manual, DS3
attention to the quality is not great (filmed with mobile)

 

[seb15000]

Run with it seb it's what I posted as the tune.

you mean that I leave like that ??
I'm only a 495 PP, this will disadvantage your result tuners !!!

 

[ugabugaz]

SCCA Improved Touring Miata

Track: Apricot Hill (2.40mi)

ugabugaz
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800RS (NB,J) '04
Tune: 1:33.739
Drivers Choice: 7.0
The front end was confusing to me. Under heavy braking the front would lose grip and the back end was screaming "Go, Go, Go!" but on decel (coasting) the front would turn on a dime (sometimes too good) leaving the rear end to play catch up. Running around at 90% was good for me, because there are too many chances for error when in 100% attack mode. A setup for those pros who can hit their marks lap after lap without fail. Congrats on your sub 1:33, ugabugaz, you must be one of those drivers!

Interesting take on the car. I personally thought it was fairly smooth and controlled if you stayed in rhythm with the track. Although I must admit recovering especially in certain portions is hard - but that's probably more due to the track

About my driving, well, I dunno if I'm "one of those drivers" but if you like I can supply you with a replay of my driving.