FITT Nurburgring Nordschleife Shootout v2.0

[shmogt]

Been testing out the R34 for the 550 pp and while it looks awesome and performs awesome I just can't get the quick times I need.

 

[mike_gt3]

My 2 cars are on share now , didnt had time to work on the laptime but they were ok anyway.

Will start testing soon.

 

[XDesperado67]

@CSLACR if you could give me an idea about what needs fixed on my 550PP Jag it would be greatly appreciated.👍👍 Its currently on share if anyone wishes to risk life and limb.

 

[CSLACR]

Drove the jag, and saw mike took his car off share from the other week
Guess ill try a crazed is-f now

 

[mike_gt3]

Drove the jag, and saw mike took his car off share from the other week
Guess ill try a crazed is-f now

Is it the mercedes? i think i removed it to drive it but been busy trying to tune the cars.

I can put it back on share no problem if you want.

 

[XDesperado67]

Drove the jag, and saw mike took his car off share from the other week
Guess ill try a crazed is-f now

Can you pm me some ideas about what's wrong with it please.
To be honest it was always a hairy beast for me and switching tires and tracks has made it even more so.

PS: I have no illusions about winning 550 class just hoping to limit the numbers of fatalities.

 

[Onboy123]

Can you pm me some ideas about what's wrong with it please.
To be honest it was always a hairy beast for me and switching tires and tracks has made it even more so.

OIII!!! YOU CHEAT!!!!! NO FAIRR!!!! My 'Vette is still on share, FYI.

 

[XDesperado67]

OIII!!! YOU CHEAT!!!!! NO FAIRR!!!! My 'Vette is still on share, FYI.

This coming from the guy who got Praiano to test his car?

 

[Onboy123]

This coming from the guy who got Praiano to test his car?

Not "test" as such, "drive". That was only because I couldn't get it around without flying off the track backwards.

 

[praiano63]

This coming from the guy who got Praiano to test his car?

Your car too, , report on PM in your box.

 

[XDesperado67]

Not "test" as such, "drive". That was only because I couldn't get it around without flying off the track backwards.

Exactly my point! Not asking anyone to tune it or "test" it just looking for some basic feedback on ride and handling issues so I can hopefully keep the carnige to a minimum.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I'm driving Mike's ISF now, adjust BB to 10/7 as I drive with no ABS, nice car, really quick acceleration, my R33 feels like a turtle , the car can reach 5 to 10 mph more speed on every straight than my R33. Just did low 44 seconds 1st sector, tricky car

 

[XDesperado67]

Well early reports are that my Jag currently is a death trap. (Thanks Praiano:tup:👍)
Meanwhile my 450PP car just keeps getting better and better. Got it down to a 7:44.xxx and pretty sure I can shave another second at least off that. Can't wait to see what it can do in the hands of real drivers instead of with Ol'Harvey Wallbanger behind the wheel.

 

[CSLACR]

OIII!!! YOU CHEAT!!!!! NO FAIRR!!!! My 'Vette is still on share, FYI.

Ok

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Well early reports are that my Jag currently is a death trap. (Thanks Praiano:tup:👍)

I took a drive on your Jag just now, not bad actually, I used my own BB ( no ABS ), got 44 seconds 1st sector and 1:18.xxx 2nd sector ( Aremberg), I don't know if that is slow or quick, but the car handles fine, a bit understeer, but nothing that trail braking can't fix, generally I say the car is a bit stiff and low, bottoms out at quite a few places ( I always drive with tire load indicator on - red on several sections ), other than that, the car is wonderful to drive.

By the way, our 550PP cars looks similar, black with gold rims

 

[Onboy123]

Well early reports are that my Jag currently is a death trap. (Thanks Praiano:tup:👍)
Meanwhile my 450PP car just keeps getting better and better. Got it down to a 7:44.xxx and pretty sure I can shave another second at least off that. Can't wait to see what it can do in the hands of real drivers instead of with Ol'Harvey Wallbanger behind the wheel.

Whohooh…that bad? I want to try to tune a Jag now…or maybe I should backtrack a bit to pre-2.10 kings with a Lotus Evora! I've got a good idea what to call it if it works. If it works though, that would have been the first time ever where something has gone my way in one of these shootouts.

 

[DigitalBaka]

Also found another car that is probably faster in the hands of someone like mike with a good tune, but is rather beastly for me to handle so giving it a pass...(Sileighty 414HP, just over 1000Kg and no aero...hits around 170mph before flugplatz and around 190+ on the long straight but feels to me like it's on ice)

I'm confused. My car is down 20hp, 600+kg heavier and is still the same PP? Even ditched my aero for more power. Do the old rules of more weight, more HP for PP tuning not apply anymore? I think I've been out too long.

In other news, go ahead and drop me from the 550 tuners. I will barely have time to finish my 450 as my first grader tossed a wrench in the gearbox. Still on for testing. My PSN for sharing will be DigitalBaka, for the front page.

 

[XDesperado67]

I'm confused. My car is down 20hp, 600+kg heavier and is still the same PP? Even ditched my aero for more power. Do the old rules of more weight, more HP for PP tuning not apply anymore? I think I've been out too long.

In other news, go ahead and drop me from the 550 tuners. I will barely have time to finish my 450 as my first grader tossed a wrench in the gearbox. Still on for testing. My PSN for sharing will be DigitalBaka, for the front page.

V2:10 messed with the PP of a bunch of different cars. Now you find some FR cars that end up with very low power to weight ratios. Thing is all the extra power can cause problems getting it to the ground in a manageable fashion and you may still have grip issues.

My 450PP entry has less power, is heavier than the Sileighty and has a lower top speed, but at least for me it has better grip and is easier to drive thus making it quicker around the ring in my hands.

Of course I always had trouble getting the best out of cars like the Elise that everyone swore were tops in their class so...

 

[CSLACR]

So I was thinking.....

What if we allow testers to adjust BB as they desire? I've driven so many tunes that I could have made work for myself so much better with such a simple adjustment, and it's one of the most driver-preference oriented parts of the game.

Idk, just an idea of something new, let me know what you think guys. 👍

 

[XDesperado67]

So I was thinking.....

What if we allow testers to adjust BB as they desire? I've driven so many tunes that I could have made work for myself so much better with such a simple adjustment, and it's one of the most driver-preference oriented parts of the game.

Idk, just an idea of something new, let me know what you think guys. 👍

Could we offer both? Main event drive car exactly as tune is posted, side event adjust brakes and use of ABS to suit drivers own preference.

I agree that brake balance tends to be one of the most personal things about a tune, but, it would be interesting to see how much all the drivers preferred brake settings differed and how much they improved the lap times for those submitting times for both.

 

[Onboy123]

Well, I've just broke out my old Evora, and it blitzed my Corvette's best time by a good…4 seconds with a 7:02.552. With 450hp. There is the question of skill, or rather a lack of, on my part…but it does seem like the King/Queen (haven't decided on its gender yet ) could still be up for a fight.

 

[XDesperado67]

Well, I've just broke out my old Evora, and it blitzed my Corvette's best time by a good…4 seconds with a 7:02.552. With 450hp. There is the question of skill, or rather a lack of, on my part…but it does seem like the King/Queen (haven't decided on its gender yet ) could still be up for a fight.

If I wasn't so bloody stubborn I'd just break out my Audi from the Coastal Concept Challenge and be done with it, but I'm going to make this Jag semi civilized or end up like Roy Horn.

 

[Onboy123]

If I wasn't so bloody stubborn I'd just break out my Audi from the Coastal Concept Challenge and be done with it, but I'm going to make this Jag semi civilized or end up like Roy Horn.

I'd have done the same, but I just found, I think, my entry. 630+hp, N/A power, 1.4 tons. And good god is it pretty.

 

[MrGrado]

Car sent

thanks.

 

[shmogt]

So I was thinking.....

What if we allow testers to adjust BB as they desire? I've driven so many tunes that I could have made work for myself so much better with such a simple adjustment, and it's one of the most driver-preference oriented parts of the game.

Idk, just an idea of something new, let me know what you think guys. 👍

Maybe I'm confused, but you want the testers to than be able to change the tuners cars to fit them better? Doesn't that kill the whole point of the competition? The testers are supposed to get used to the tuner cars exactly how they are and than put their input in after on what they thought. If they hated the breaks than they comment on that after. If they fixed it before hand it would perform better than it should and when they gave their opinion that's worth 10% they would score higher since they now like driving it more.

 

[CSLACR]

Maybe I'm confused, but you want the testers to than be able to change the tuners cars to fit them better? Doesn't that kill the whole point of the competition? The testers are supposed to get used to the tuner cars exactly how they are and than put their input in after on what they thought. If they hated the breaks than they comment on that after. If they fixed it before hand it would perform better than it should and when they gave their opinion that's worth 10% they would score higher since they now like driving it more.

I've agreed with this before...

I guess the difference (imo) between BB and other things is that even people who know nothing about tuning can set a BB up to please themselves, and BB is adjustable in the game on absolutely stock cars.
Technically it's a stock adjustment (in GT5)

Of course it's just an idea, if nobody likes we won't do it.👍

 

[XDesperado67]

I've agreed with this before...

I guess the difference (imo) between BB and other things is that even people who know nothing about tuning can set a BB up to please themselves, and BB is adjustable in the game on absolutely stock cars.
Technically it's a stock adjustment (in GT5)

Of course it's just an idea, if nobody likes we won't do it.👍

As I said earlier do both.
Make running the posted tunes brake balance mandatory.
Then for those drivers who wish to, let them record times with adjusted brakes.

Main competition is unaffected, DC is still based on posted tune and drivers get to see what sort of brakes the drivers prefer so they may be able to improve their tunes in future.

Keep in mind though that in the past I've had comments from some test drivers that said my brakes were to strong while others commented they were to weak. This shows how personal the brake balance for a given car can be.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I've agreed with this before...

I guess the difference (imo) between BB and other things is that even people who know nothing about tuning can set a BB up to please themselves, and BB is adjustable in the game on absolutely stock cars.
Technically it's a stock adjustment (in GT5)

Of course it's just an idea, if nobody likes we won't do it.👍

Well, I don't mind about BB adjustments by tester, but the general consensus since I was a tester on several FITT shootouts before, the shootouts were only mainly catered for ABS tuners and testers ( with mandatory BB as per tune ) - almost all tuners uses ABS, so for no ABS driver like me to become a tester was a real pain when a tune has BB like 4/8 ( rear bias ) for example, as the car becomes undriveable.

With ABS testers, most BB variation would work fine and won't affect the tune too much, unlike when using no ABS, where too high BB or too much rear bias would kill the car's drivability.

I guess it's too late to make changes now, maybe in the future events, but then personal BB adjustment by tester is mainly a feature needed by no ABS tester, like me, in which I am the only one here in GTP so far. This is also the reason I stopped being a tester sometime ago ( I can't drive with ABS)

For the performing better with preferred BB by testers, I think having BB that is suited to the test driver would not make a tune faster than it could ever be, it's not like adding performance to the car. It simply allows the driver to extract the most of the car's braking ability.
Try to picture a real life test driver of racing cars, they will always set their own brake bias - personal from track to track, even in the middle of a lap as the tires gets worn out or changes in car/track condition, no racing car comes with a preset brake bias and non adjustable, nobody will ever drive them to the limits of the car potential. It maybe off topic, but if anyone watches JGTC/Super GT races, drivers can change brake bias in real time from inside the cockpit when on track, it's not against the rules, it was a necessary feature so they can drive the car like they wanted and get the best out of their racing car brakes.

 

[shmogt]

The way I see it is it's a competition trying to emulate a real life race. A driver wouldn't be able to just change any settings to suit him better. I mine as well leave the brakes at 5/5 and let the testers drive around testing it themselves and tuning the brakes to their liking.

Also wondering is this the usual 10 laps for testing? I think that's a good number to get a good feel however considering the fastest laps are around 7 minutes it's gonna take the testers forever.

 

[mike_gt3]

I think just test them until you are comfortable with lap and try to do all of them at same pace, some will require more laps, some dont.