Florida State University shooting

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Revolvers are the only pistols which I think should be allowed in. You're not gonna find some speed shooter walk in "guns a-blazing" with one of those, simply because in 5-7 shots, he's out. If someone walks in though with a any other type of rifle pistol, at least someone tried if they were carrying.
Not to turn this into a concealed carry thread but I don't think this will work for the same reason current gun free zones don't work. A criminal is still going to bring his glock and now he's got 15 rounds when everyone else is limited to a 6 shot revolver.
 
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What the ****? Why are they just standing around when there is a shooter? And the girl that asks if he's okay just sounds shallow.
 
Sounds like she didnt believe him....I have been in many high threat situations and I have found people handle stress/fear differently than others....just an observation
 
Not to turn this into a concealed carry thread but I don't think this will work for the same reason current gun free zones don't work. A criminal is still going to bring his glock and now he's got 15 rounds when everyone else is limited to a 6 shot revolver.
Yeah, which is why I said this...
They don't want to abide by the laws/rules because they see this as their ultimatum.
Chances are it wont work, but it enables others to carry in public/private places which would allow it. I don't want to make a big deal on this man's thread, but it was an idea which allows other people to "feel" safe if they want to carry, which after this should be allowed (imo).
If someone is going to be daft enough to kill/injure others for no reason whatsoever, a sane person should be able to put an end to it before it gets to situations like this.
 
If someone is going to be daft enough to kill/injure others for no reason whatsoever, a sane person should be able to put an end to it before it gets to situations like this.

How do we know which are which before the critical moment?

And what happens when a sane person sees another guy raise a gun in the college library and "Does The Right Thing" by murdering them, only to find that they in turn were sane and raising a gun against an actually-insane shooter?

Adding more and more guns really isn't going to help, you all need to be removing them from society's easy reach. As for the idea of carrying a weapon in a place of education... just no, absolutely no.
 
How do we know which are which before the critical moment?

And what happens when a sane person sees another guy raise a gun in the college library and "Does The Right Thing" by murdering them, only to find that they in turn were sane and raising a gun against an actually-insane shooter?

Adding more and more guns really isn't going to help, you all need to be removing them from society's easy reach. As for the idea of carrying a weapon in a place of education... just no, absolutely no.
While I do agree with not being able to carry in areas of education, churches (which my state just said is okay), bars, and other areas (except government areas), and as I said above, what is to stop someone from bringing a gun against a sign saying they can't?

As far as your second paragraph, I'm not sure how someone would stop them, other than the possibility they both can realize whom is whom and take appropriate action. And while you say adding more and more guns isn't going to help, I view it a bit reversed. People going out to buy pistols/rifles/shotguns who show no interest to actually increase their knowledge of their weapons and how to handle it should not purchase a firearm in the first place. Those people are a liability to people like me, who can/could injure/kill me and others.

I'm sure we've all seen women shooting .357/.45/deagles who are in no shape able to to fire such guns and just pull off the shots flying everywhere, some of these same people are the ones going out and will do the same thing.
Then you have the people who say "I will shoot you..." and don't, or run, or for whatever reason don't own up to their own words. There is no need to say anything. You aim, fire, and observe what you just did.

There is a lot more to it than that, and I understand it, but it would be nice if the rest of America would...
 
I'm sure we've all seen women shooting .357/.45/deagles who are in no shape able to to fire such guns and just pull off the shots flying everywhere, some of these same people are the ones going out and will do the same thing.

Nope, I've only seen one real gun outside a proper shoot and that was carried by a WPC (as they were then) in the very early 90s. That's how unusual guns are in the UK. To get there you have to persuade people that owning/carrying deadly weapons isn't a good idea and not something that should be supported.

And there's no need to say it... I'm very well aware that the US has found itself in a very different place and, without even commenting on the rights or wrongs of either view, I'm equally aware that our respective views are unlikely to change.
 
Nope, I've only seen one real gun outside a proper shoot and that was carried by a WPC (as they were then) in the very early 90s. That's how unusual guns are in the UK. To get there you have to persuade people that owning/carrying deadly weapons isn't a good idea and not something that should be supported.

And there's no need to say it... I'm very well aware that the US has found itself in a very different place and, without even commenting on the rights or wrongs of either view, I'm equally aware that our respective views are unlikely to change.
Pardon me, I meant to type "on YouTube" between seen/women. I never meant in real life, even without the knowledge you live in the UK.

I don't know much about gun violence in the UK and I'm not sure if that's due to the fact how strict it is to obtain weapons or if it doesn't really exist over there in comparison to here. Although the UK is not nearly as populous as America, that could have some bearing... Like I said, I'm not a big UK gun expert as I've never needed to research the facts much, but I'm open to those who live there. We've had two entirely different cultures and many more within the US throughout the years, so it is just about impossible to change the mindset of us, our yourselves without brainwashing the next generation or so..

But if everyone were forced to watch Fox News that may just happen..
 
I don't know much about gun violence in the UK and I'm not sure if that's due to the fact how strict it is to obtain weapons or if it doesn't really exist over there in comparison to here. Although the UK is not nearly as populous as America, that could have some bearing... Like I said, I'm not a big UK gun expert as I've never needed to research the facts much, but I'm open to those who live there. We've had two entirely different cultures and many more within the US throughout the years, so it is just about impossible to change the mindset of us, our yourselves without brainwashing the next generation or so..

I'd say our low gun crime is to do with the difficulty of obtaining weapons and the social stigma of crime. The UK is actually much more populous than the US, not that I think density necessarily has a bearing except if you were to consider that the areas of highest-population-density may often be much poorer areas with an expectedly-higher crime rate.

According to these figures gun crime is 5 times higher in the US, my own opinion is that when people lose their temper they use whatever's to hand. When that's a lethal firearm the potential for a lethal outcome is greatly increased, it seems. That's why the argument to deploy more guns to combat guns seems childishly flawed.

In the case of Brown, for example, there's nothing about the incident to suspect that a lone, young female officer couldn't have handled the situation non-lethally. However, there seems to be a presumption that the threat of unjudged murder to fight crime is a necessary one. I feel it isn't, but there you go. If you automatically have a system where an officer of our law finds it acceptable to shoot and kill then you don't have public servants, you have something akin to roaming death squads. And when that's the case then every potential felon needs a firearm too. And so it goes on.
 
I'd say our low gun crime is to do with the difficulty of obtaining weapons and the social stigma of crime. The UK is actually much more populous than the US, not that I think density necessarily has a bearing except if you were to consider that the areas of highest-population-density may often be much poorer areas with an expectedly-higher crime rate.
Like I said, one of the two... I've never researched it, but apparently it seems as if I should for future reference.

Another thing, is there much of a black market of firearms over there, or none whatsoever. I find it very hard to ship guns to an island where (to my knowledge) not many are made domestically.
According to these figures gun crime is 5 times higher in the US, my own opinion is that when people lose their temper they use whatever's to hand. When that's a lethal firearm the potential for a lethal outcome is greatly increased, it seems.
I don't deny that. I think that more people find themselves feeling more safe (in the US for this instance) when they have a lethal weapon V. non-lethal. However, the criminal aspect is much different than comparing what is in the handbag of every odd woman. Black marketed weapons are troubling over here, and they aren't going in gun safes locked away from it's ammunition, and I highly doubt away from children.
Without racially profiling anyone, I'm not sure how I can explain to you the fact of what I observe everyday on my local news channel in the mornings and afternoons. It is not flattering but it is the truth, and none of them seem to want to stop and work together with anyone else until they get what they think is theirs...

That's why the argument to deploy more guns to combat guns seems childishly flawed.
I did say it probably would never work out, but is my idea for a short-term solution. I don't find it feasible to have a metal detector at every door, nor change constitutional rights which surely would have Obama or any other president impeached over here..

In the case of Brown, for example, there's nothing about the incident to suspect that a lone, young female officer couldn't have handled the situation non-lethally. However, there seems to be a presumption that the threat of unjudged murder to fight crime is a necessary one. I feel it isn't, but there you go. If you automatically have a system where an officer of our law finds it acceptable to shoot and kill then you don't have public servants, you have something akin to roaming death squads. And when that's the case then every potential felon needs a firearm too. And so it goes on.
I doubt based on my assumption of the kind of person Brown was, that he would not have treated the female officer as if he were a pimp, unless the officer be this woman, and still not walked on the sidewalk. Maybe a taser would have been fired, maybe the pistol. I'm not sure, I'm not a genie.

And I don't find it that every officer out there has the duty to kill someone in their career, nor do they think of themselves as "roaming death squads". The vast majority I imagine depict themselves no differently than I do, which are people who have the job to make sure others are in orderly conduct with the rest of society. National Geographic has a show of Alaskan police officers which I have yet to see or hear of a rouge cop that slays an entire village of natives. Nor do I hear of border security in the south who round up illegal immigrants and behead them at the border (if that exists than I am truly sorry). The idea that people such as those involved in Columbine, Sandy Hook, and others would join the police force to injure others is not the first thing to mind. Is it a possibility, yes. And how does someone prepare for that? I don't think anyone really knows that answer.
Should police be limited to non-lethal weapons whilst on patrol to eliminate those possibilities? I don't think so...

Quick question, are any LEOs in the UK unarmed? That is something I am also unaware of, and curious as per my answer above.
 
Another thing, is there much of a black market of firearms over there, or none whatsoever. I find it very hard to ship guns to an island where (to my knowledge) not many are made domestically.

There's certainly a black market, it's hard to say how widespread it is but it generally seems contained to organised crime.

Quick question, are any LEOs in the UK unarmed? That is something I am also unaware of, and curious as per my answer above.

Specifically-trained officers are equipped with weapons and travel in special patrol vehicles. Other than "high priority targets" they wouldn't normally be deployed on patrol, they have to be specifically authorised to a scene by a controller. You certainly wouldn't expect an average traffic stop or burglary investigation to be conducted by armed officers.

If they kill someone they're still a citizen and therefore have to have their murder charge heard, they're only members of the public after all.

And I don't find it that every officer out there has the duty to kill someone in their career, nor do they think of themselves as "roaming death squads". The vast majority I imagine depict themselves no differently than I do, which are people who have the job to make sure others are in orderly conduct with the rest of society.

What does seem true, however, is that there's a much higher likelihood that a US officer will turn up at a scene expecting to shoot. They seem to be trained with few options other than pointing/shooting a gun. For a force of citizens whose job it is to make criminals heard they seem to kill a lot of them rather than simply incapacitate them. And yes, there are plenty of ways and means to do that, especially when you look at the military-level spending of some police departments in the US.
 
There's certainly a black market, it's hard to say how widespread it is but it generally seems contained to organised crime.



Specifically-trained officers are equipped with weapons and travel in special patrol vehicles. Other than "high priority targets" they wouldn't normally be deployed on patrol, they have to be specifically authorised to a scene by a controller. You certainly wouldn't expect an average traffic stop or burglary investigation to be conducted by armed officers.

If they kill someone they're still a citizen and therefore have to have their murder charge heard, they're only members of the public after all.
Good to know for both points. I am more curious than anything else as how different nations conduct themselves. I am just unaware of a nation closer to this, other than Russia.... maybe..
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But that is also another good point. Not every joe-blow cop gets a pistol. Maybe the "be prepared" motto I was always taught in scouts isn't the greatest thing to live by, but I am no cop-killer or the reverse. If firearms were as heavily regulated here as they are there, I would be heavily mad as it is a skill I prize along with my friends. One of whom is a Marine and I'm still a better shot...

Something more along the average DEA agent who comes to the investigation, similarly as to what you said, would be a bit better for situations, but I think the country is to large to have multiple divisions of police forces in which some are required to serve as police yet not carry a firearm. I believe a few antics would be upset about that.

There's certainly a black market, it's hard to say how widespread it is but it generally seems contained to organised crime.



Specifically-trained officers are equipped with weapons and travel in special patrol vehicles. Other than "high priority targets" they wouldn't normally be deployed on patrol, they have to be specifically authorised to a scene by a controller. You certainly wouldn't expect an average traffic stop or burglary investigation to be conducted by armed officers.

If they kill someone they're still a citizen and therefore have to have their murder charge heard, they're only members of the public after all.



What does seem true, however, is that there's a much higher likelihood that a US officer will turn up at a scene expecting to shoot. They seem to be trained with few options other than pointing/shooting a gun. For a force of citizens whose job it is to make criminals heard they seem to kill a lot of them rather than simply incapacitate them. And yes, there are plenty of ways and means to do that, especially when you look at the military-level spending of some police departments in the US.
Although I agree some are becoming "militarized", if you look at what brought some departments to purchase the vehicles they did, or who have the weapons they do, you'd find some of the times it was the cheaper option. I read that a department had to option to go with a contracted company and pay a huge sum of cash for one vehicle which would need serviced constantly, or go with a decommissioned US Army anti-IED personnel carrier, that was half the cost, used parts just as a UPS delivery truck does, and would not cause the department to lay off anyone...
There are some of those departments out there too, so a sweeping policy overhaul would definitely not help those.
But, like you and many others say, many others have become militarized, and not for the good of everyone. What goes on in the minds of the police chiefs who bring it on upon themselves, I have no idea. I wish it would stop, but I fear no one will make it clear enough.

I don't foresee something like the most recent Captain America where the protection agency of whoeverville turns on its own people, but I do see something along the lines of undercover spending or obtaining vehicles/items which is of no need to a local/regional police department..

SWAT is another story... some are good, some bad. The friend of mine who is a Marine has an relative in SWAT, and is one cool guy. I'm probably crossing the lines of what I should say, but if anything else is need a private conversation can be called for...
 
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