FM4 Laguna Seca vs iRacing Laguna Seca

[RedSuinit]

I was refering to this ^^^^^

Ah.

 

[UKMikey]

artboy, I would listen to T-12's advice if I were you. Don't wanna come across as a wannabe mod but I like this thread and don't want to see it closed down.

 

[artboy76]

artboy, I would listen to T-12's advice if I were you. Don't wanna come across as a wannabe mod but I like this thread and don't want to see it closed down.

Fair play, but i'm sick of this forum and GT5 flamebaiters rolling into threads and generally trying to either wind people up or start a war. There aren't enough people using it to justify the stress.

Cant we just discuss if Forza is close to iRacing where Laguna Seca is concerned?

For what its worth for me the Laguna Seca track is the best modelled track in Forza. I'd say they worked the hardest on it, if so it shows..

 

[t.o.]

For what its worth for me the Laguna Seca track is the best modelled track in Forza. I'd say they worked the hardest on it, if so it shows..

Next to Infineon

 

[RedSuinit]

Next to Infineon

100% agree with this. Infineon is very well done. I would love to see a comparison between it and the real one.

 

[Thatman]

I've been to 'Seca! Not on it unfortunately. And I couldn't really get a good look of the corkscrew though, as most people say its far steeper than it looks.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I also think they did a good job on Seca on FM4. It is remarkable how close it is to iRacings.

 

[shawtyoner]

I have been looking more and more at FM4's corkscrew version and the more I look the less I am convinced that it is accurate at all. I am in no way saying the rest of the track is, however, the corkscrew is the signature of Laguna Seca and I feel that this part of the track deserved the most attention. Below you will find a few images I dug up and a short video I made driving slowly through the corkscrew. Yes, I know the angles are not 100% accurate, but they are similar enough to visually see how off it is.





At 1:21 in the real Laguna vid, you can see the perspective of what it looks like when you are about to dive into the corkscrew. It dips and banks left at the first apex, crests, then the downward drop begins on the right hander. FMs version has you plummeting from the first left hander which is completely inaccurate as far as I can see. iRacings version has this spot on, its really impressive.

Again, not the most exact angle but close enough, you can see how in FM4, there is no bank on that first left, its flat, and then just drops down, which is nothing like the real photo.

I am not on some smear campaign here, just discussing what in my opinion looks off about FM's version of the corkscrew. A lot of people are saying its 100% accurate, but after looking at replays and photos of the real thing, I just cannot accept that it is.

 

[cuco33]

I would not say it's 100% accurate but Laguna Seca on FM4 is a lot more accurate than it is in GT5. That MotoGP shot vs FM4 looks very VERY close and the differences will be in the camera angle. If the Forza shot were raised a bit you'd see it closer, likewise if the MotoGP shot were lower you probably would see it closer.

The thing with me is that I think Laguna Seca on GT5 is done very well, not as good as Forza's version but not bad at all. I know I'm on LS and I know not every turn is identical but it is very close.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I dont think anyone (at least not me the OP) said it was 100% accurate.

In fact, I said for not being laser scanned (like iRacing), its pretty damn good.

Why someone wants to waste time, energy, calculations, angles, and pour over video to come to the conclusion that FM4 Seca is not 100% accurate, even thought that wasnt the OP, is beyond me.

 

[shawtyoner]

I dont think anyone (at least not me the OP) said it was 100% accurate.

In fact, I said for not being laser scanned (like iRacing), its pretty damn good.

Why someone wants to waste time, energy, calculations, angles, and pour over video to come to the conclusion that FM4 Seca is not 100% accurate, even thought that wasnt the OP, is beyond me.

Never mentioned that the OP used the term 100% accurate in my post. Also, last time I checked, forums were used for discussion and debates. I had free time, so I wanted to visually show how FM's version of the corkscrew was inaccurate. Would you mind if I had spent the same amount of time supporting your opinion of how good Laguna Seca is in FM4?

Again, my opinion. Raising or lowering angles in FM photomode will not help with making it look like the real photo, I have tried, unfortunately its just wrong.

 

[Vaxxtx]

A lot of people are saying its 100% accurate, but after looking at replays and photos of the real thing, I just cannot accept that it is.

I did not see this mentioned at all.

Never mentioned that the OP used the term 100% accurate in my post. Also, last time I checked, forums were used for discussion and debates. I had free time, so I wanted to visually show how FM's version of the corkscrew was inaccurate. Would you mind if I had spent the same amount of time supporting your opinion of how good Laguna Seca is in FM4?

Again, my opinion. Raising or lowering angles in FM photomode will not help with making it look like the real photo, I have tried, unfortunately its just wrong.

Have at it. You got the time go crazy. Just seems not many disagree that it isnt 100% accurate, so not sure where you are going with it is all.

 

[shawtyoner]

I did not see this mentioned at all.

Post #21. Yes, he said almost, however, I'm sure the almost wasn't referring to the corkscrew.

Have at it. You got the time go crazy. Just seems not many disagree that it isnt 100% accurate, so not sure where you are going with it is all.

Yes, not many are disagreeing, but not many are posting anything that supports their opinion. I however am trying to show my concern about the inaccuracy of a very specific part of the track. I believe T10 could have done better is all.

 

[Vaxxtx]

A lot of people are saying its 100% accurate, not 1 post said that...not 1 but after looking at replays and photos of the real thing, I just cannot accept that it is.

Post #21. Yes, he said almost, however, I'm sure the almost wasn't referring to the corkscrew.



Yes, not many are disagreeing, so alot of people said it was 100% accurate, and now they are not? but not many are posting anything that supports their opinion. I however am trying to show my concern about the inaccuracy of a very specific part of the track. I believe T10 could have done better is all.

Do you see the reason for my confusion?

 

[shawtyoner]

Do you see the reason for my confusion?

So if the confusion was the 100% accurate term, my apologies. However I still meant that most feel that its almost exactly the same, which I feel it isn't. Thats all.

 

[t.o.]

So if the confusion was the 100% accurate term, my apologies. However I still meant that most feel that its almost exactly the same, which I feel it isn't. Thats all.

So you feel it's not almost exactly the same? You feel it's almost almost the same? Not even in the ball park? I'm not getting it.

 

[shawtyoner]

So you feel it's not almost exactly the same? You feel it's almost almost the same? Not even in the ball park? I'm not getting it.

What I am saying is that the track, just like iRacing's, is very similar to real life, minus some exceptions, one of them being the corkscrew, which is a major part of Laguna Seca. I feel its flawed in FM4, and could have been recreated more accurately.

 

[tribolik]

I dont think anyone (at least not me the OP) said it was 100% accurate.

In fact, I said for not being laser scanned (like iRacing), its pretty damn good.

Why someone wants to waste time, energy, calculations, angles, and pour over video to come to the conclusion that FM4 Seca is not 100% accurate, even thought that wasnt the OP, is beyond me.

You should post in the OP that any opinion contrary to yours even if based on facts shouldnt be posted in this thread.... you might get lucky or not after all its the internet

But the fact is that the corkscrew (the most famous section of the track) is off in FM4...

 

[Vaxxtx]

You should post in the OP that any opinion contrary to yours even if based on facts shouldnt be posted in this thread.... you might get lucky or not after all its the internet

But the fact is that the corkscrew (the most famous section of the track) is off in FM4...

What a great contribution to the discussion from a guy who doesnt own the game...talking about facts.

Maybe I should post in the OP that opinions of people that dont own the game are of no concern to me as well? At least that would be true.

And if you took the time to actually read, you might understand I am not disagreeing with him.

 

[newbielives]

I guess the hardcore Forza fans are going to deny it but I think you proved your point especially after I watched the videos, that corner is definitely off in Forza. I guess it's time to make post about how we should just play the game and not discuss it so much

I'm sorry but I do not see FM's version clearly being 100% accurate to iRacings version. All three are very similar, but if you look at this screen grab, I can in no way say that FM's corkscrew looks like iRacings, whereas GT5's looks to be more comparable. Unfortunately this is the FM3 version, and I cannot find a video with the same car and view for FM4's Laguna Seca.

When they are hitting that first apex, in both iRacing and GT5, you cannot see any of the track below, where in FM you can, seems over exaggerated.

Here is FM4's version, looks pretty much the same to me as FM3.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I guess the hardcore Forza fans are going to deny it but I think you proved your point especially after I watched the videos, that corner is definitely off in Forza. I guess it's time to make post about how we should just play the game and not discuss it so much

Says another person who doesnt own FM4! Definitly a well informed opinion