For the tuners. GT5 is now "the real driving simulator" NOT "your driving simulator"

[Enzo309]

Hey man I completely understand your talent and loving on tuning

But the game isn't the older GT's anymore

It's the pinnacle of driving simulation now

The car will have it's own "simulation" to
Make it clear the car will have it's own style and feel because then again this is the real driving simulator

You cannot just expect or demand most things to be tuned by your brain in a driving simulator you are not the manufacturer

Driving Simulator : A car will be made by it's own not by your brain.

Although some added tunings would be very appropriate but you still have to think very deeply.

Like the brakes it should and can be proved

But by the name of driving simulation

The real car's level of braking capability will still be the same but improved.

So it's basically like the car's brakes are still the same in performance but improved.

This is how you should think about tuning in a real driving simulator.


One of the inappropriate tunings I've heard of is the gear ratio all custom
I'm sorry this is a "driving simulator" not "your simulator"

1. Not everyone is a mechanic specialist.
2. Being original basically means your playing "that car" not "your car".
3. It's not just the top speed it's also how the gears get through.
4. If you want to be a mechanic go to mechanic school.
5. A recap of #2 that car your driving is not the car you made.

Lastly

6. It's a sure 99% probability that this has already been made decisions of off the main simulation developers

7. This is the pinnacle of driving simulation do not expect gear ratios to be made by your brain. A car will have it's own.


8. Your not the car manufacturer.


9. Wanna customize your own rationality?? Get forza


And that is the reality of motorsports racing live with i

You can't say GT is all about tuning

This is not like the old GT's

This is GT5

This is the real driving simulator

You can't just demand steering the way you want it to be.

A car will have it's own originality when it comes to steering

You are not the manufacturer


You cannot say gt5 is all about tuning your car

This is not like GT4

This is the real driving simulator

You just can't make a demand this is the real driving simulation


You aren't the manufacturer

 

[Anes]

tl;dr

The GT series has always had chronic understeer and bad gearing. Now I'm limited in my options.

 

[articzap]

Forza has way better customization as far as mechanic's side of things. In all honesty, GT lacks. The stout aftermarket that is available really allows us to to create cars any way we want. So why shouldn't we be able to change things the way we want too?

 

[Anes]

Both are "in simulation"

Not "your simulation"

So you're saying I shouldn't be able to tune my suspension and gearing because the car wasn't designed that way? Sorry, that's ridiculous.

 

[Enzo309]

Forza has way better customization as far as mechanic's side of things. In all honesty, GT lacks. The stout aftermarket that is available really allows us to to create cars any way we want. So why shouldn't we be able to change things the way we want too?

You are right on aftermarket stuff

But branded after markets mods are very specific

For example the gear ratios your brain won't make it's own

 

[articzap]

You have to understand this

This is a driving simulator not "your simulator"

In addition this is a thread

I have the right to express the "driving simulator"

A driving simulator is one that recreates the driving experience! How you modify the car has nothing at all to do with the simulation. I can go do any mod I want to my car in real life for a certain price, so why shouldn't I be able to in the "ultimate simulator."

 

[Bigbazz]

GT5 is not the pinnacle of driving simulators, and this thread is stupid.

 

[Enzo309]

So you're saying I shouldn't be able to tune my suspension and gearing because the car wasn't designed that way? Sorry, that's ridiculous.

Like what I said there are the appropriates and there are the inappropriates

 

[articzap]

You are right on aftermarket stuff

But branded after markets mods are very specific

For example the gear ratios your brain won't make it's own

That's where you're wrong. I spent a lot of timing developing formulas to create my gear ratios. I have a great understanding of how to make the gears do what I want. Why shouldn't I be able to use my knowledge? For the right price, I know I can go out and have a gear set made to my liking by some of the top gear makers.

 

[Tornado]

So, what you are saying is that our want to have at least the same amount of functionality as previous games in the series is dumb because we don't know better than the manufacturer, and therefore PD basically tying our hands in regards to tuning options is a good thing?

Well, that is certainly an interesting way to defend bad design decisions, I'll give you that.

 

[NLxAROSA]

For example the gear ratios your brain won't make it's own

Judging from this thread, I am quite sure that yours won't, but there are many, many members (including myself) that can come up with ratios that fit a track/car combo quite nicely. 👍

 

[Enzo309]

GT5 is not the pinnacle of driving simulators, and this thread is stupid.

Don't say it's stupid just cause you dont like it.


In a simulator basis things won't be your simulator

 

[Anes]

Like what I said there are the appropriates and there are the inappropriates

Are you on drugs?

Thread is confusing. Ciao.

 

[Enzo309]

Judging from this thread, I am quite sure that yours won't, but there are many, many members (including myself) that can come up with ratios that fit a track/car combo quite nicely. 👍

Please read the whole thing first


Like what I said not everyone is a mechanic specialist

And all gear ratio customization is not for driving simulators

 

[earthwateruser]

If it was a real driving simulator, then I'd be able to engage launch control on my Ferrari 458. Or I could adjust the differentials on the Subaru WRX STi on the fly. Or I could actually run off the side of a mountain.

GT5 may be marketed as the real driving simulator, but it's just a game. And not nearly the best of it's genre with this release.

 

[Enzo309]

Read before you reply please.

 

[Owen.C93]

Read before you reply please.

Use the edit function as apposed to triple posting.

Edit: Would have been quad!

 

[Enzo309]

So, what you are saying is that our want to have at least the same amount of functionality as previous games in the series is dumb because we don't know better than the manufacturer, and therefore PD basically tying our hands in regards to tuning options is a good thing?

Well, that is certainly an interesting way to defend bad design decisions, I'll give you that.

Like again this is a driving simulator

Tune ups by your own brain isn't very common in a "driving simulator"

There are appropriates and inappropriates

 

[articzap]

Like again this is a driving simulator

Tune ups by your own brain isn't very common in a "driving simulator"

There are appropriates and inappropriates

Driving simulator has nothing to do with tuning. Driving simulator is strictly about how the game drives, which it does quite well. Tuning and parts changing is another side of things that goes out of driving simulator.

 

[Enzo309]

Driving simulator has nothing to do with tuning. Driving simulator is strictly about how the game drives, which it does quite well. Tuning and parts changing is another side of things that goes out of driving simulator.

It's strictly how a car is infact "that car" too.

Not from "another car"

 

[Anes]

Use the edit function as apposed to triple posting.

He's viewing via phone.



@ OP, I'm not ignorant. I can fiddle with complex car setup options quite well. What about the race cars in GT5? I'm not allowed to adjust the roll centre because .... why exactly? I still don't understand your thread. Plus it's 2am here. Time to sleep I think.

 

[articzap]

It's strictly how a car is infact "that car" too.

hmm no. If you feel like that, then leave your car stock.

It sounds more like you have no understanding what-so-ever on how to tune and your frustrated by the fact that can't keep pace because of the fact.

Sorry to hear about that.

 

[boro-lad-87]

So let's assume you're right and the game is only supposed to be a driving simulator. Pray tell us why they bothered putting tuning in it at all?

 

[articzap]

He's viewing via phone.



@ OP, I'm not ignorant. I can fiddle with complex car setup options quite well. What about the race cars in GT5? I'm not allowed to adjust the roll centre because .... why exactly? I still don't understand your thread. Plus it's 2am here. Time to sleep I think.

Roll center would be an awesome addition. We should also be able to corner scale our cars. 👍

 

[Enzo309]

So let's assume you're right and the game is only supposed to be a driving simulator. Pray tell us why they bothered putting tuning in it at all?

In the real world mostly setting up on test

Suspension would be one of the "appropriates"

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

I've seen my share of stupid threads made on this forum, but this right here takes the cake.

Just what I was thinking.....

I knew there was going to pop up some weird threads after GT5 release, but this one actually suprised me.

 

[articzap]

In the real world mostly setting up on test

Suspension would be one of the "appropriates"

And why isn't gear tuning? You're not providing a reason as to why?

Hell, I should be able to turbo any car I please since I can in real life.

 

[Owen.C93]

He's viewing via phone.

Oh ok.

 

[Bigbazz]

Don't say it's stupid just cause you dont like it.


In a simulator basis things won't be your simulator

This is stupid, because i actually love GT5, i just think that its obvious to about everyone in the world that as awesome as GT5 is.

It is not the pinnacle of driving simulations, or racing simulations.


Again, this thread is stupid, and pointless and i am being stupid for even posting and allowing it to be bumped.

 

[Jo3f1sh]

So let's assume you're right and the game is only supposed to be a driving simulator. Pray tell us why they bothered putting tuning in it at all?

Exactly...and seeing as how this title has been touted as the "Real Driving Simulator" since 1998, why has it been in every release since?

Vehicle customization and tuning/tweaking has been a part of this series (and MANY others) since it's inception. The "real driving simulator" should be able to simulate vehicle modifications and tuning adjustments as well.