Forget about opponent AI!!

[red7]

Opponent AI in gt4 needs a lot of work. I've been thinking about how it could be improved and you know what?? It doesn't matter a bit ! When we see Gt5 with online racing against real people the quality of racing is going soar!!!!!

Thoughts on current AI ?

Thoughts on future online racing?

 

[Blackbird.]

Yes I want better AI, alot better. Because if GT5 has damage that you must pay for if it does get damaged. I don't want some stupid AI running into me like I wasn't there and making me pay for it. Like rear ending me.

 

[red7]

Uh yeah its almost impossible to race the AI clean in gt4. No matter how I pass them , and as clean as I try they will simply ram YOU!!!! Unacceptable!!!!

But Imagine racing other online opponents with skill and who race aggresive but clean. This is the future of GT.

 

[Blackbird.]

Uh, it'll suck when you have brand new guys that don't want to race and the occasional ass that will crash your DB9 with this Honda Civic.

 

[red7]

Good point ,but I can see there being clubs or private racing online spaces where the racers are both skilled and respected amongst eachother.

 

[Nattefrost]

It doesn't matter how nice GT online will be, the game needs solid offline play first, then comes online. Don't forget even people without internet connections should be able to enjoy GT5. AI has to be decent to keep GT mode (which is the majority of the game after all) interesting. Even if GT mode itself would be playable online (which I seriously doubt) we'd need a decent AI, as I think it wouldn't be too easy to find a challenging and fair player all the time.

 

[Dave A]

I agree, sort the offline game them look to perfecting online. Online is important to me, but not as much as offline which I'll use the most.

 

[Mikey15]

For the love of God, improve the AI!!!

 

[bleurabbit7]

Uh yeah its almost impossible to race the AI clean in gt4. No matter how I pass them , and as clean as I try they will simply ram YOU!!!! Unacceptable!!!!

Not to mention that you get slapped with the 5 second penalty.

But yeah, the AI needs alot of improvement. I want real racing, not bumper cars.

 

[SavageEvil]

Not to mention that you get slapped with the 5 second penalty.

But yeah, the AI needs alot of improvement. I want real racing, not bumper cars.

I swear why does this keep coming up as if it will be implemented in the next game, be serious tossed in because of no damage, a lot of people would take advantage of it in the races that it's turned on in.

I won't even address that bumper car thing.

We need opponent Ai, it's a good thing to have something that is paying attention to you, reacting to everything around them, that's all.

 

[X-Othermic]

The AI should be priroity, followed by online mode then damage. Three areas most in need of darastic improvement.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Online mode should be the #1 priority since it wasnt available at all in GT4. It is the #1 thing that most people have wanted since the GT series started. There is nothing cooler than playing online with real people just like Forza. 👍

 

[Nattefrost]

Online mode should be the #1 priority since it wasnt available at all in GT4. It is the #1 thing that most people have wanted since the GT series started. There is nothing cooler than playing online with real people just like Forza. 👍

I completely disagree. Playing online won't make the game THAT much better. If its offline mode isn't any better than GT4 - I mean AI, physics, weather changes, day-night transition, more variety, more immersion, more real challenges, damage (only if it enhances gameplay in a positive way),... - online won't save the day for me.

 

[Mr. Boy]

Yes we all want better AI. But how should they do it? Here's how:
PD should consider 3 different AI behaviour variables in GT5: Aggressiveness (how hard they race), Speed (how fast they drive), and Strategic Intelligence (how well they can formulate a racing strategy to beat the competition).

In arcade mode, these variables should be adjustable, with each having a range from 0 to 10. In GT Mode, these variables will depend on the race entered (eg. 2,4,3 in sunday cup, 9,10,9 in Formula GT.)

And of course, the AI needs to be fully aware of your presence on the track.

As for online? Well they could do like Forza and let you race GT Mode races online, as well as arcade mode races.

 

[Boundary Layer]

Online mode should be the #1 priority since it wasnt available at all in GT4. It is the #1 thing that most people have wanted since the GT series started. There is nothing cooler than playing online with real people just like Forza. 👍

I think a lot of people would argue that AI wasn't available in GT4 either

but seriously:
I'm in agreement with others here. I, being one of the relative few who does play GT4 online with xlink, can say that while it is fun, the online play should not be the primary focus of the game's development. What keeps me coming back to the game is trying to perfect car setups, understand the physics model (another area that could use improvement), and to find close racing in GT mode - not to xlink.

The online thing is fun, and I suppose online racing leagues would be enjoyable for some. But I like the feeling of accomplishment I get for progressing through the offline GT mode. Improve the AI for closer more realistic racing and it only makes sense that this portion of the game will become more enjoyable and immersive.

The GT series touts itself as 'the real driving simulator.' In that case it should aim to offer an authentic racing experience to everyone - not just to those that are able to play it online.

 

[Fusha4u]

let us not forget that every driver makes a mistake or two occasionally - i don't care who you are. Perfect racing lines, braking points and turn ins every lap for 50 laps are impossible for the average human - that's how it should be for the AI too!!

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I think a lot of people would argue that AI wasn't available in GT4 either

but seriously:
I'm in agreement with others here. I, being one of the relative few who does play GT4 online with xlink, can say that while it is fun, the online play should not be the primary focus of the game's development. What keeps me coming back to the game is trying to perfect car setups, understand the physics model (another area that could use improvement), and to find close racing in GT mode - not to xlink.

The online thing is fun, and I suppose online racing leagues would be enjoyable for some. But I like the feeling of accomplishment I get for progressing through the offline GT mode. Improve the AI for closer more realistic racing and it only makes sense that this portion of the game will become more enjoyable and immersive.

The GT series touts itself as 'the real driving simulator.' In that case it should aim to offer an authentic racing experience to everyone - not just to those that are able to play it online.

That is a great point and that too is one of my favorite parts of the GT series. I love winning new cars after a race. Especially when I have no idea what it is since I usually try to avoid spoilers. Nothing more rewarding than winning cars after you worked hard in a race. However since that does come in every single GT game I am ready for online. The AI will hopefully get better too but imagine how much this board would come to life with online. You could set up so many different races and leagues. Drift events, drag races, anything you wanted with some imagination.

 

[Laorin]

Uh yeah its almost impossible to race the AI clean in gt4. No matter how I pass them , and as clean as I try they will simply ram YOU!!!! Unacceptable!!!!

But Imagine racing other online opponents with skill and who race aggresive but clean. This is the future of GT.

This is something I literally pray for every night. But, there's some technical difficulties getting in the way of stuff.

The infrastructure here in America (at least, i think the story's a bit better in europe) is an absolute pile of crap. Compared to Japan, household internet connections suck the fat one. They will have to come up with a very very good solution for the american audience, and I am hoping they make this a really big focal point because I seriously am going to go insane and give up on the GT series for good if they can't manage to do this. I don't care how pretty the graphics or physics are, I want to play against another human without setting up a purpose-built LAN in my house.

Seriously. GT4 would be so absolutely great if they had a good, built-in internet racing solution. Lets face it, xlink kai sucks. The AI sucks donkey nuts and I consider myself a driver who respects his opponents (meaning I race very clean, as much as possible)..

It just gets frustrating as hell when I'm braking early to avoid smashing into the back of the car in front of me on a very tight turn and the dumbass AI rams into my rear. Completely idiotic and it makes me want to beat PD upside the head. I've had so many clean laps ruined on nurburgring by attempting to pass on the straights and having the other cars literally turn INTO me and ram me into the armco.

 

[Mikey15]

Thing is, what you have to remember is, the vast majority of people who buy games, for the most part play them off line and don't touch the online modes at all. That's what a Ubisoft employee said to me on their forums a while back anyway. So it would be stupid to just focus on the online mode when most won't touch it anyway.

 

[Fusha4u]

Thing is, what you have to remember is, the vast majority of people who buy games, for the most part play them off line and don't touch the online modes at all. That's what a Ubisoft employee said to me on their forums a while back anyway. So it would be stupid to just focus on the online mode when most won't touch it anyway.

True for most games but I think that if GT5 has a really good online capability it will have a heavy online following. I mean take a look around - this site is proof positive. IMO PD has to achieve a few things with thier online play -

1) Make it simple - We should be able to set up an account of some sort, log on without having to go here and go there.

2) Make it fast - After setting up that account, we sould be able to get in and race within a few minutes

3) Make it customizable - # of opponents, tracks, HP, FF, FR, 4WD and all that jazz.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

the only real problem I have with the AI is that they don't drive a god racing line at all.... I think with a proper racing line, not only would they be much faster, and their tire wear improved (which may not be a god thing, since it's better than I can get anyway), but it'd be easier to pass, since you could tell where they were going much easier... from what I see on TV, these racers in real-life don't do much for getting out of each others way.... so I'll stick to hoping they just drive the fastest line...

 

[red7]

Yes Laorin, what you mentioned about the ai drivers just turning into you brings many painful memories to hand. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ALL READY HAVE THE $%#@#$ LINE THET STILL TRY TO RUN YOU OFF THE #$!%$% ROAD!!!!!!!

Its things like this that can completely ruin a game . Didn't pd play their own game before it was released?? They must have noticed something was off

 

[red7]

given the processing power of the coming ps3 and the storage space available of the blue-ray gt5 had better have the most realistic opponent ai ever seen by man on this planet.......

 

[Dave A]

It doesn't need the most realistic opponent AI in existence, it'd be nice but it doesn't need it. It just needs AI that can keep up and at the same time avoid driving like you arn't there, I mean hold the line if they're infront, but not slam into you on every corner and on some straights too.

 

[Mikey15]

Agree with live4speed.

The AI is pretty pathetic though. I mean, I've played games on my N64 that has better AI than GT4. I'd love to race cleanly in this game, but the AI just doesn't let you, so you end up just saying, well **** it, if they're gonna ram me, I'll ram them. Then it turns in to bumper cars.

The AI has to be fixed in this game, simple as that really.

 

[Appie]

improve ai

 

[Laorin]

I think a lot of people would argue that AI wasn't available in GT4 either

but seriously:
I'm in agreement with others here. I, being one of the relative few who does play GT4 online with xlink, can say that while it is fun, the online play should not be the primary focus of the game's development. What keeps me coming back to the game is trying to perfect car setups, understand the physics model (another area that could use improvement), and to find close racing in GT mode - not to xlink.

The online thing is fun, and I suppose online racing leagues would be enjoyable for some. But I like the feeling of accomplishment I get for progressing through the offline GT mode. Improve the AI for closer more realistic racing and it only makes sense that this portion of the game will become more enjoyable and immersive.

The GT series touts itself as 'the real driving simulator.' In that case it should aim to offer an authentic racing experience to everyone - not just to those that are able to play it online.

You know, I had Xlink Kai set up and I idled in that damn room for two days straight. The only people I saw coming in there were idiots that kept calling me a noob because I had never used xlink before and needed to test and see if my setup was working properly (xlink reported that it was, and I should have been ready to go). I never did get in a game. People kept booting me out and calling me names - I guess a lot of 12 year olds hang out there or something.

I'd be up for a race but I don't game with little kids (not you, i'm talking about the others haha). It is ridiculous the kind of **** that gets talked.

 

[SavageEvil]

You know, I had Xlink Kai set up and I idled in that damn room for two days straight. The only people I saw coming in there were idiots that kept calling me a noob because I had never used xlink before and needed to test and see if my setup was working properly (xlink reported that it was, and I should have been ready to go). I never did get in a game. People kept booting me out and calling me names - I guess a lot of 12 year olds hang out there or something.

I'd be up for a race but I don't game with little kids (not you, i'm talking about the others haha). It is ridiculous the kind of **** that gets talked.

I used to play on X-Link, problem was that you had to play someone close to keep ping times really low to avoid latency issues, that got annoying and only being able to use arcade mode favorites lists was the final straw, that obviously made little sense to me.

 

[Boundary Layer]

You know, I had Xlink Kai set up and I idled in that damn room for two days straight. The only people I saw coming in there were idiots that kept calling me a noob because I had never used xlink before and needed to test and see if my setup was working properly (xlink reported that it was, and I should have been ready to go). I never did get in a game. People kept booting me out and calling me names - I guess a lot of 12 year olds hang out there or something.

I'd be up for a race but I don't game with little kids (not you, i'm talking about the others haha). It is ridiculous the kind of **** that gets talked.

Ya, the trouble there is if you aren't going in to play with someone specific and arranged it beforehand, you probably aren't gonna get to play at all. I certainly see that as a problem - but it's a problem that a lot of online games encounter imo (a lot, but not all).

ie. When I played gunbound a year or two ago it was impossible to get games in (and enjoy it) unless it was with/against a group of friends. Quite often going in alone I'd encounter other groups that would just prey on you and you only - that is assuming they'd even let you play. So I know where you're coming from with your complaint.

I go in and drift on xlink with people I've met on GTP. People like BreakerOhio, Suzuki, DKing, Lifewater, etc - but we set it up ahead of time on AIM. I haven't been on in quite awhile now....