Formula 1 Emirates Gran Premio Dell'emilia Romagna 2020Formula 1
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LeGeNd-1
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I don't know why FIA feels the need to delete times for track limits here as well. There's literally grass/gravel next to the kerbs on most corners. The only place where running ultra wide is beneficial is probably Piratella, but then I imagine running over those white triangle parts of the kerbs will do a lot of damage to the tyres in the long run.
A bit of an extreme example, but Indy doesn't even bother with track limits anymore. If everyone runs wide, no one gains an advantage. Easy.
A bit of an extreme example, but Indy doesn't even bother with track limits anymore. If everyone runs wide, no one gains an advantage. Easy.
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When you ignore track limits it begs the question why the course map should even be bothered with in the first place. Why not just cut all the corners and straightline chicanes? Either the track is the track or it isn’t. The problem isn’t them enforcing track limits, it’s them selectively doing it. You should get a warning for extending out of a corner even if you don’t gain an advantage from it. No kerbriding should be allowed. All 4 tyres should be between the white lines at all times, unless you’re in the process of crashing.
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The specific rules doesn't matter. At the end of the day drivers will always push the limits. I just find the process of virtually deleting a time to be silly, and further confuses the casual fans from getting into the sport. Something that the FIA has been desperate to do for years now. Even if you remove all rules, you won't see blatant corner cuts because usually, some other physical barrier will be there to prevent it (e.g. the bollards at Monza chicane).
I mean, can you imagine this happening now? But I don't remember anyone complaining about both drivers clearly abusing track limits back in the day.
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Yes, they’ll push the limits. That’s why rules exist to punish them when they go over them. The ‘limit’ is the white line at the edge of the track. The FIA rule book spells this out clearly.
There’s nothing confusing about it. You leave the track, you get your time removed. It’s no different from a racing game where you get your lap time invalidated for leaving the track. What IS confusing is how drivers on some corners at some circuits CAN go as wide as they want with no warning but will be punished for doing so at others. Inconsistency is far more confusing.
There’s plenty of places you could completely skip corners. Final chicane at Canada you can blow right past without braking, turn 1-2 at Australia by going through the runoff area, completely straightline the esses at Mexico... you completely remove the rules and half the tracks on the calendar with have drivers cutting through the grass to lop 30+ seconds off their lap.
If you notice, neither Massa nor Kubica actually gain an advantage, nor go off deliberately. Every time they went off, it’s because they got pushed off by the other one. Then rejoined in basically the same position they had been pushed off. At no point did either go off-track on their own, gain time, and then keep it. Further, they’re racing in practically monsoon conditions and the Stewards have always been a bit more lenient in the wet. That sort of racing happens all the time anyway, look at Leclerc and Hamilton at Monza or Leclerc and Verstappen at Austria last year. And unlike at Fuji 07, both of those races were in the dry.
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LeGeNd-1
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Yes, the inconsistency is confusing. What I was getting at is more the big picture though. Let's say we stick with the 4 wheels inside white line rule. Does that make the actual racing better or worse compared if we throw out the rule book completely (like Indy @ COTA above)? I'd wager we'd still get the same result at the end of the day. But there will be less work for stewards, less swearing for drivers and less confusion for fans.
I think you can apply common sense if someone is deliberately cutting large chunks of tracks off, they need to be punished. But even in rallycross where the cars are capable of offroad, drivers do tend to stick with the general layout of the track without heavy handed punishments. And what about club/amateur level racing? I doubt they have the full set of monitoring equipment and stewards just to police if someone is 1cm over the line. Doesn't make the racing any less valid.
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Has there been recent onboard footage of laptime comparisons between Vettel and Leclerc?
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Gasly is a freaking monster this season, holy balls...
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I'm sitting watching the Youtube buildup stream and they asked Kimi to speak in Finnish and he just mumbled a couple words and walked away 
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Without track limits many circuits and corners would have to be changed so run off areas can do their job correctly. Also racing would suffer as many of the tighter corners would open up so out-braking and criss crossing on the exit would be harder. I remember one weekend were IMSA and WEC were at COTA, IMSA with no track limits and WEC with GPS enforced ones, and it was harder to pass in the IMSA race and it looked unprofessional. Slightly different is that Church corner at Thruxton, the kerb has been extended and the grass run-off no longer slopes down. Cars can take more speed through the corner as the radius is wider and as result there has been much less passing on the next straight.
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Processional race upcoming barring accidents.
C'mon Bottas and Gasly.
C'mon Bottas and Gasly.
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Will hammertime work?
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With overtaking pretty much impossible, it's the only thing they can do
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Bottas matching LH on his hards.....or was.
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Should be Maxs win then hopefully.
Stops are gonna be close.
Stops are gonna be close.
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