Forza Horizon 4: General Pre-Release News & Discussion

[Stang616]

Perhaps there were last minute omissions. Mitsubishi was featured on a few of the event posters.

 

[Apple Slipper]

Here is a list off all FM7 Street Cars that are missing in FH4 (Count: 179):

Spoiler: List

2013 Abarth Punto Supersport
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde
1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4
1992 Alfa Romeo Milano Quadrifoglio Verde
1990 Alfa Romeo SZ Sprint Zagato
1986 Alfa Romeo GTV-6
1986 Alfa Romeo Spider Quadrifoglio Verde
1970 Alfa Romeo Montreal
1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Veloce
1950 Alfa Romeo 158
1932 Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Spider
1970 AMC Rebel "The Machine"
2012 Aston Martin V12 Zagato
2008 Aston Martin DBS
1998 Aston Martin V8 Vantage V600
1977 Aston Martin V8 Vantage
2015 Audi S3 Sedan
2009 Audi Q7 V12 TDI
2004 Audi S4
2015 Bentley EXP 10 Speed 6 Concept
2010 BMW M6 Coupe [E63]
2000 BMW Z8
2000 BMW 323ti Sport
1995 BMW 850CSi
1986 BMW M635 CSi
1959 BMW 507
1939 BMW 328
1967 Brabham BT24
1970 Buick GSX
2012 Cadillac Escalade ESV
2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
2017 Chevrolet Colorado ZR2
2016 Chevrolet Camaro [Gen 6] Super Sport
2014 Chevrolet Super Sport
2012 Chevrolet Camaro [Gen 5] ZL1
2002 Chevrolet Camaro [Gen 4] 35th Anniversary Super Sport
1990 Chevrolet Camaro [Gen 3] IROC-Z
1971 Chevrolet Vega GT
1967 Chevrolet Chevelle Super Sport 396
1966 Chevrolet Corvette F&F Edition
1949 Chevrolet Fleetline Special F&F Edition
2012 Chrysler 300 SRT8
1970 Citroen 2CV
1969 Datsun 2000 Roadster
2013 Dodge Dart GT
2012 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8
2005 Dodge SRT4 ACR
1986 Dodge Shelby Omni GLHS
1970 Dodge Coronet Super Bee
1968 Dodge Charger F&F Edition (Ice)
1967 Dodge Coronet WO23
1998 Eagle (U.S.) Talon TSi Turbo
1967 Eagle-Westlake T1G
2018 Exomotive Exocet Sport V8 XP-5
2017 Ferrari 812 Superfast
2008 Ferrari California
2004 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
1952 Ferrari 375
1948 Ferrari 166 Inter Sport
1980 FIAT 124 Sport Spider
1975 FIAT X1/9
1969 FIAT Dino 2.4 Coupe
1952 FIAT 8V Supersonic
2015 Ford Mustang GT
2015 Ford Falcon XR8
2014 Ford FPV Limited Edition Pursuit Ute
2013 Ford Formula Ford EcoBoost 200
2013 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor Shelby
2007 Ford Shelby GT500
1995 Ford SVT Cobra R
1992 Ford Falcon GT [EB]
1978 Ford Mustang II King Cobra
1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III
1967 Ford Falcon XR GT
1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt
2009 Holden HSV w427
1988 Holden VL Commodore Group A SV
1968 Holden Monaro GTS 327
1951 Holden 50-2106 FX Ute
2018 Honda Civic Type R
2018 Honda Odyssey
2014 Honda Civic Si
2000 Honda Prelude Type SH
1994 Honda Prelude Si
1986 Honda Civic Si
1984 Honda Civic CRX Mugen
1970 Honda S800
1967 Honda RA300
2003 Hoonigan Holden Commodore Ute
2014 HSV GEN-F GTS
2011 HSV GTS
1996 HSV GTSR
2019 Hyundai Veloster Turbo
2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo
2012 Infiniti IPL G Coupe
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe
2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
1988 Lamborghini Jalpa
1985 Lancia Delta S4 Group B
1975 Lancia Stratos HF Group 4
2012 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged
2017 Lincoln Continental
2002 Lotus Esprit V8
1999 Lotus Elise Series 1 Sport 190
2017 Maserati Levante S
2014 Maserati Ghibli S
1997 Maserati Ghibli Cup
2010 Mazda MX-5 Super20
2010 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3
1990 Mazda MX-5 Miata
1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE
1973 Mazda RX-3
1972 Mazda Cosmo 110S Series II
2015 McLaren P1 GTR
2011 McLaren 12C
2009 Mercedes-Benz ML 63 AMG
2004 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG
1972 Mercedes-Benz 300 SEL 6.3
1967 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR
1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR
1997 Mitsubishi GTO
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
1988 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R
2015 Nissan IDx NISMO
2014 Nissan Juke Nismo RS
1994 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S Twin Turbo
1985 Nissan Safari Turbo
1966 Nissan Silvia
1979 Opel Kadett C GT/E
1968 Opel GT
2011 Peugeot 308 GTI
2000 Plymouth Prowler
1971 Plymouth GTX 426 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP
2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Ram Air
1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
1965 Pontiac GTO
2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S [991]
1993 Porsche 911 Turbo S Leichtbau [964]
1993 Porsche 928 GTS
1980 Porsche 924 Carrera GTS
1970 Porsche 914/6
1966 Porsche 906 Carrera 6
1964 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS
1962 Porsche 804
2011 Radical SR8 RX
2013 Ram Ram Runner
2017 Renault R.S.17
2003 Renault Sport Clio V6
1990 Renault Alpine GTA Le Mans
2016 Rolls-Royce Dawn
2014 Rolls-Royce Wraith
2005 Subaru Legacy B4 2.0 GT
1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi
1996 Subaru SVX
1980 Subaru BRAT GL
1968 Subaru 360
2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR
2006 Vauxhall Astra VXR
1988 Volkswagen Scirocco 16v
1984 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI
1967 Volkswagen Type 3 1600 L (Notchback)
1967 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia
2017 Volvo XC90 R-Design
2015 Volvo S60 Polestar
2017 VUHL 05RR

The 2008 Aston Martin DBS was shown in the Spring Livestream of Forza Horizon 4: http://www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=159211
The 2004 Audi S4, 2000 BMW 323ti (E36) Compact Sport, 2010 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3, 2004 Mercedes-Benz C 32 AMG, 2005 Subaru Legacy B4 2.0 GT are traffic cars in Forza Horizon 4.
The 2016 Chevrolet Camaro SS was also shown in the Spring Livestream of Forza Horizon 4: http://www.igcd.net/images/159/214.jpg
The 2013 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor Shelby was originally going to be in Forza Horizon 4: http://www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=158383
The 2014 Ford Falcon FG FPV Pursuit Ute Limited Edition, 2014 Holden HSV Gen-F GTS, 2002 Lotus Esprit V8, are still confirmed for Forza Horizon 4.
The 1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III was originally going to be in Forza Horizon 4: http://www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=157524
The 2015 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 was originally shown in this event screenshot:
The 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer was originally shown in this event screenshot:
The 1999 Lotus Elise Series 1 Sport 190 was originally shown in this screenshot:
The 1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 was originally going to be in the game as a traffic car and a playable car: http://www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=155790
The 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR was originally shown in this event screenshot:
The 1971 Plymouth GTX 426 Hemi was originally going to be in the game: http://www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=155602

 

[Stang616]

95 Cobra R as well.

 

[Apple Slipper]

Thank you, just changed it. The S60 isnt on the list, the V60 is

And here some more Car List analysis:

New-to-francise Cars:

• 1964 Austin FX4 Taxi
  
  
• 1965 Austin-Healey 3000 MKIII
  
  
• 1958 Austin-Healey Sprite MkI
  
  
• 1931 Bentley 4-1/2 Litre Supercharged
  
  
• 1931 Bentley 8-Litre
  
  
• 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon
  
  
• 2018 Ford Mustang GT
  
  
• 2017 Ford #14 Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing GRC Fiesta
  
  
• 2017 Ford M-Sport Fiesta RS
  
  
• 1964 Ford GT40 Mk I
  
  
• 1959 Ford Anglia 105E
  
  
• 1964 Jaguar Lightweight E-Type
  
  
• 1973 Land Rover Range Rover
  
  
• 2018 McLaren Senna
  
  
• 2014 Mercedes-Benz Unimog U5023
  
  
• 1958 Morris Minor 1000
  
  
• 1962 Peel P50
  
  
• 2017 Volkswagen #34 Volkswagen Andretti Rallycross Beetle
  
  
• 1969 Volkswagen Class 5/1600 Baja Bug
  
  
• 2016 Volvo Iron Knight
  
  
• 1983 Volkswagen Golf GTI

Returning to XBOX ONE Cars:

• 2012 Ascari KZ1R
  
  
• 1965 Austin-Healey 3000 MKIII
  
  
• 1958 Austin-Healey Sprite MkI
  
  
• 2012 Eagle Speedster
  
  
• 1958 MG MGA Twin-Cam
  
  
• 2010 Morgan Aero SuperSports
  
  
• 1962 Triumph Spitfire
  
  
• 2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR

New-to-Horizon Cars (WIP):

• 2017 Abarth 124 Spider
  
  
• 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
  
  
• 1934 Alfa Romeo P3
  
  
• 1960 Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato
  
  
• 2013 Audi RS 7 Sportback
  
  
• 1939 Auto Union Type D
  
  
• 2009 BMW M5
  
  
• 2008 BMW Z4 M Coupe
  
  
• 2002 BMW Z3 M Coupe
  
  
• 2018 Bugatti Chiron
  
  
• 1926 Bugatti Type 35 C
  
  
• 2013 Cadillac XTS Limousine
  
  
• 1955 Chevrolet 150 Utility Sedan
  
  
• 2018 Dodge Durango SRT
  
  
• 2015 Honda Ridgeline Baja Trophy Truck
  
  
• 2019 Hyundai Veloster N
  
  
• 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk
  
  
• 2018 Kia Stinger
  
  
• 1939 Maserati 8CTF
  
  
• 2015 Mercedes-Benz #24 Tankpool24 Racing Truck
  
  
• 1966 MG MGB GT
  
  
• 2018 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
  
  
• 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS
  
  
• 1998 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion
  
  
• 2017 Ram 2500 Power Wagon
  
  
• 2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50
  
  
• 2014 Volkswagen Golf R
  
  
• 2010 Volkswagen Golf R

Returning cars that have either been missing from FM7 or FH3:

• 2554 AMG Transport Dynamics M12S Warthog CST
  
  
• 2015 Audi RS 6 Avant
  
  
• 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
  
  
• 1946 Ford Super Deluxe Station Wagon
  
  
• 2014 Morgan 3 Wheeler
  
  
• 1972 Reliant Supervan III
  
  
• 1967 Sunbeam Tiger
  
  
• 1979 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
  
  
• 2014 Terradyne Gurkha LAPV

The 1931 Bentley 8 Litre debuted in Forza Motorsport 4 as an unplayable Autovista (Forzavista) car.
The 2018 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 was first seen in Turn 10 Studios' Forza Motorsport 7 update videos.
The 1958 MG MGA Twin-Cam returned in Forza Motorsport 7 as a #ForzaThon prize car.
The 1966 MG MGB GT also made its Xbox One debut in Forza Horizon 4.
The 2013 Audi RS7 Sportback made its Horizon debut in Forza Horizon 2 via the 10th Anniversary Car Pack.
The 2010 Volkswagen Golf R made its Horizon debut in Forza Horizon 1.

 

[Stang616]

The 1946 Ford Super Deluxe was in both FH3 and FM7

 

[TheOE]

The 1931 Bentley 8 Litre debuted in Forza Motorsport 4 as an unplayable Autovista (Forzavista) car.
The 2018 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 was first seen in Turn 10 Studios' Forza Motorsport 7 update videos.
The 1958 MG MGA Twin-Cam returned in Forza Motorsport 7 as a #ForzaThon prize car.
The 1966 MG MGB GT also made its Xbox One debut in Forza Horizon 4.
The 2013 Audi RS7 Sportback made its Horizon debut in Forza Horizon 2 via the 10th Anniversary Car Pack.
The 2010 Volkswagen Golf R made its Horizon debut in Forza Horizon 1.

Yes, the 2018 Mustang has been on the video, but from the wording in the WIR it will debut in FH4. The RS7 only has been a „Forza anniversary Edition“, so i didn’t count it in but you are right about the Golf and the MGs, i wasn’t really sure about them

 

[DavidMonoy97]

The E39 is also a New to Horizon car. Just like the E60.

 

[queleuleu]

Hmm... Forza Horizon is the most popular racing game this gen and the licensing budget is smaller than Forza Motorsport?

(I hope GT has nothing to do with the absence of Mitsubishi)

 

[Garapablo]

I really hope that Mitsubishi does not disappear from Forza. I'm in love with EVOs and every VR-4 variants of their cars.

I really hope that they just forgot to include them on the list.

 

[Techlet]

Well, I'm going to assume that FM7's September DLC (if there even is one) also has no chance of making it across to FH4.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Yeah, I don't get why the licensing seems so limited, I thought PG was getting plenty of sales at this point.

 

[Apple Slipper]

Yeah, I don't get why the licensing seems so limited, I thought PG was getting plenty of sales at this point.

Mitsubishi mainly produces crossovers, SUVs and trucks nowadays. Perhaps they don't want to be reminded of their rally history and their sports cars.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Mitsubishi mainly produces crossovers, SUVs and trucks nowadays. Perhaps they don't want to be reminded of their rally history and their sports cars.

Thanks for sharing, but I'm not even thinking about Mitsubishi. I'm thinking about the actual car count. It feels lower than it should be. 450+ is still a lot, but I just find it odd that they couldn't add more.

 

[WanganDream]

It is the worst that Mitsubishi is not on the car list.
But other deleted cars too made me sad. Especially Porsche.
They have deleted all my favorite Porsche. It's as if they hate me.
964, 914/6, 924GTS, 928 ... goodbye!

 

[Northstar]

Are we sure it's a licensing issue and not attributed to something else like overall space?

Also, pleasantly happy to see the Tamo returning.

 

[yabiggoose]

So Aussie gamers finally got some Aussie cars in a game (H3) just for them to be all but gone in the next one?


Ffs. Glad I didn't preorder.

 

[Techlet]

Are we sure it's a licensing issue and not attributed to something else like overall space?

Also, pleasantly happy to see the Tamo returning.

If space was such a concern, I wonder why they bother with duplicate cars like the 2 GRC Beetles and every single Forza Edition car, and obsolete models like having both the 2018 and 2012 Cayenne Turbos (this isn't even a case of keeping a classic, because I don't think anyone would call the 2nd gen Cayenne a classic...).

I honestly don't see the point of Forza Edition cars in this game now that you can apply stat bonuses to every single car in the game through Car Mastery. There's also no reason for the "unique" cosmetic changes and engine swaps to not be made available on the base cars.

 

[L8 Apex]

*sigh*

First Toyota all-but-cuts-off every developer (seemingly bar PD), then Subaru skips out on V-Rally 4, now Mitsubishi can't do a deal with PG (and I'm guessing T10 when FM8 time rolls around)? Is the Japanese auto industry getting the old Porsche bug up its collective 🤬?

 

[inCloud]

Forza Edition car

They use same models as non-HE cars, so this isnt a problem.

Are we sure it's a licensing issue and not attributed to something else like overall space

Could be a reason, actually. Blueray capacity is limited and they ~ triple the size of world textures in client by adding 4 seasons. Also, there is XOX this time and 4k resolution which needs more detailed textures. So, Day one carpack could be massive and they can return some cars in future updates.

 

[user3392345]

I would like it when the houses that we can buy now are useful for some alternative activitys like drinking, smoking, make barbeque in garden(grill simulator^^), watch other drivers on racing channel TV ect..... like in gta, that would be cool.

 

[inCloud]

watch other drivers on racing channel TV

We have replays now, so its possible 👍

 

[strela]

Could be a reason, actually. Blueray capacity is limited and they ~ triple the size of world textures in client by adding 4 seasons. Also, there is XOX this time and 4k resolution which needs more detailed textures. So, Day one carpack could be massive and they can return some cars in future updates.

To me it doesn't make sense. First if they lack space on the disk they could still make it a DLC. FM7 with all DLCs has 70Gb I doubt FH4 will reach 100Gb, but even then it would still be possible.

 

[inCloud]

First if they lack space on the disk they could still make it a DLC.

Well, there will be Day one carpack, so its what they actually do

 

[queleuleu]

About some cuts from the Forza 7 car list: Could it be a disagreement between Turn 10 and Playground Games?

 

[PJTierney]

One thing nobody here has mentioned yet are all of the modded videos from Forza Horizon 3 after an incorrect build was released to the public. I wouldn’t be surprised if some manufacturers caught wind of that and started to lose faith in the developer’s ability to keep a brand’s image the way it should be.

 

[Techlet]

One thing nobody here has mentioned yet are all of the modded videos from Forza Horizon 3 after an incorrect build was released to the public. I wouldn’t be surprised if some manufacturers caught wind of that and started to lose faith in the developer’s ability to keep a brand’s image the way it should be.

But they thought 1500HP turbo V12 AWD swaps with Trump stickers and swastikas were perfectly in keeping with their brand?

 

[strela]

Well, there will be Day one carpack, so its what they actually do

You are right. I was just trying to say that they have enough space to put the Mitsubishi cars in the game as well. It is a licensing issue... not a space one.
From official forum:
One absence from the above list is Mitsubishi. While our teams work hard to license hundreds of brands for Forza games, we can’t always align our fans’ desires with the interests of every licensor, as is the case here with Mitsubishi. As a result, we’re unable to include Mitsubishi cars in Forza Horizon 4 at this time.

 

[ShawnPhillips]

if they lack space on the disk they could still make it a DLC.

FM7 already had a 30GB day one patch to add in all the content that couldn't fit on the disc. I don't think disc space is the issue. and FM7 isn't alone in modern games having massive day one patches to fill out content that couldn't fit on the disc.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Are we sure it's a licensing issue and not attributed to something else like overall space?

Also, pleasantly happy to see the Tamo returning.

If it was a space issue, then I don't see what could stop them from just placing the content they couldn't fit on a spare disc to install like with Forza Motorsport 3 & 4. I didn't complain about that then and I wouldn't complain about it now.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

If it was a space issue, then I don't see what could stop them from just placing the content they couldn't fit on a spare disc to install like with Forza Motorsport 3 & 4.

Aside from doubling the production cost?