Free Speech

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Factual errors (possible deliberate misrepresentation?) in the complaint. Ernie is holding a sign labeled "Black Trans Lives Matter" and Rubber Duckie, not mentioned, is the one holding the "Defund the Police" sign. Pascal should sue.
 
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The Irish should reject the new hate speech bill | Paul Coleman | The Critic Magazine

The Republic of Ireland could soon become one of the worst violators of the human right to free speech in the Western world. Despite the government claiming to espouse liberal ideas…
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While proponents of the law point to the “safeguard” that criminalises possession only “with a view to the material being communicated to the public,” the ambiguity could allow for prosecution of any content regardless of intent to share publicly. What is clear per the draft law’s wording, though, is that refusing to turn your phone password over to authorities could be enough to land you a conviction.
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TexRex
Republicans: Free speech!"

Also Republicans: [unintelligible screeching]

Also Republicans: "More needs to be done to penalize individuals for speech we don't like at private universities!"
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Columbia's president rebuts claims she has allowed the university to become a hotbed of antisemitism

Nemat Shafik, Columbia University’s president, unequivocally denounced antisemitism on her campus during a congressional hearing.
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While people cheering on the death of 1200 Israelis is gross, people cheering on the death of 30,000 Palestinians is also gross and I feel like these two things are not being treated at all equally.
 
A lot of my appreciation for Popehat is founded upon his keenness as an observer.

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Of course it isn't anti-Semitism which they oppose, as anti-Semitism is prevalent on the right. They oppose criticism of the state of Israel. Anti-Semitism does appear in criticism of the state of Israel, and that's simultaneously wrong and unnecessary, but criticism of the state of Israel isn't inherently anti-Semitic as it's so frequently alleged to be by conservatives. It's just that anti-Semitism isn't defensible like criticism of the state of Israel is, so if you paint the latter as the former you don't attract opposition from the general public quite so readily.
 
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Huh. Weird.

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Now...if I was a cynic...I'd think that it isn't so much opposition to anti-Semitic expression, even when expression may reasonably said to be anti-Semitic and isn't mere criticism of the state of Israel, as it is opposition to other views that those whose expressive rights are being violated may hold that's driving this action. ... Hang on. ... I'm remembering that I am a cynic.

Connie vermin.
 
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Side story since the scumbag governor has been involved above:

My neighbor is running for a state position & they were going to hold a block party for him last weekend. Apparently, it's a high enough position that Abbott was expected to show up to support them. Some people from his office were going door-to-door & asked if I would be home b/c Abbott wanted to meet his constituents. I told her, "Yes, but no thank you". She asked why I didn't want to meet our governor with such an opportunity, I plainly told her, "Sorry, not interested in meeting him. Bye". I could have probably said more such as telling her they don't need to waste their time wheeling him up my steps, but I figured my remark would simmer with his staff that there are some people here who do not want to meet (or more clearly, don't like) Abbott.

Unfortunately/fortunately, it got rained out, so the connie vermin didn't show up. I don't know if it'll be rescheduled but I hope not. They had clearly intended to close off the streets into our neighborhood, something I've already been vocal about.
 
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HenrySwanson


Larry the cat is a national treasure but.... he could be wrong here
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What I love about the '98 Human Right's act and the UK's variant on 'Freeze-Peach' idiots is that they want Free Speech but also want the UK to leave the European Court of Human Right, which would result in the '98 Human Rights act (and free speech) becoming invalid and until a new act was written and passed leave the UK with zero Human Right acts.

The reason being that the '98 act is the UCHR act written into UK law, with conditions that link to the UCHR act, leave the latter and the former can't stand on it's own.
 
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Larry the cat is a national treasure but.... he could be wrong here
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Free speech is gone - remember last year when you couldn't even play and enjoy a childrens wizard game (Hogwarts Legacy) without being branded all the worst things in the world.
 
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Famine
Could you go to prison for it?

If not, what does that have to do with "free speech"?
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You could have had your livelihood shattered and be hounded/attacked on social media. The opinion is that you enjoy a game made for kids.



When people have to question is it safe to play Hogwarts Legacy, isnt that a sign?



noun

  1. the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
 
R55NA
You could have had your livelihood shattered and be hounded/attacked on social media. The opinion is that you enjoy a game made for kids.

When people have to question is it safe to play Hogwarts Legacy, isnt that a sign?
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Would have been easier to say "no, you could not go to prison for it".

That being the case, what does that have to do with free speech?
 
R55NA
You could have had your livelihood shattered and be hounded/attacked on social media. The opinion is that you enjoy a game made for kids.



When people have to question is it safe to play Hogwarts Legacy, isnt that a sign?



noun

  1. the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
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You're confusing government intervention with societal pressure. Don't worry, lots of people make that mistake.
 
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R55NA
Nothing. I'm just an idiot clearly. Sorry for wasting your valuable time.
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Fun bit of passive-aggressiveness, but that aside I'm just curious why you think "I can't say I enjoy [x] because people will call me a [y]" is a free speech issue.

It seems that you think people shouldn't be allowed to say "I think you're a [y] for saying you enjoy [x]" (platform permitting) in response? That rather poses the question of how that's not a free speech issue on the same basis.
 
Famine
Fun bit of passive-aggressiveness, but that aside I'm just curious why you think "I can't say I enjoy [x] because people will call me a [y]" is a free speech issue.

It seems that you think people shouldn't be allowed to say "I think you're a [y] for saying you enjoy [x]" (platform permitting) in response? That rather poses the question of how that's not a free speech issue on the same basis.
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My IQ level is too low for this discussion.

Let me exit in disgrace.
 
Shares a YouTube channel that cites Dennis Prager & a bunch of other right wing culture war nonsense, and of course, completely uses the most extreme examples to cite something whilst simultaneously failing to elaborate on why people got upset.

For everyone else, JK Rowling was once again spewing dumb **** (more transphobia, I'm sure) on Twitter and it caused people to call for others to stop playing or boycott Hogwarts Legacy b/c people held the stance that anything Harry Potter should not be supported so JK herself, would receive no more royalties/support since it's her creation.

And naturally, as with other conservatives, someone took a little pushback to heart changing their whole profile....
 
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R55NA
Let me exit in disgrace.
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Alternatively, you could look to established organisations such as Liberty or Amnesty International for real world explanations about what Freedom of Speech/Expression actually is in the UK, what it means, and how it's applied instead of going to YouTube channels than run with content like this...

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McLaren
Shares a YouTube channel that cites Dennis Prager & a bunch of other right wing culture war nonsense, and of course, completely uses the most extreme examples to cite something whilst simultaneously failing to elaborate on why people got upset.

For everyone else, JK Rowling was once again spewing dumb **** (more transphobia, I'm sure) on Twitter and it caused people to call for others to stop playing or boycott Hogwarts Legacy b/c people held the stance that anything Harry Potter should not be supported so JK herself, would receive no more royalties/support since it's her creation.

And naturally, as with other conservatives, someone took a little pushback to heart changing their whole profile....
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Also, that boycott campaign failed spectacularly. The game has sold about 25 million copies and generated over a billion dollars. People exercised their freedom to buy and play whatever they want.
 
Fezzik
Also, that boycott campaign failed spectacularly. The game has sold about 25 million copies and generated over a billion dollars. People exercised their freedom to buy and play whatever they want.
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Oh, most definitely. I get people wanted to hit her where it hurts in her wallet, but at the same time, with the gaming industry already brutal as is, it's hard to go with a notion that would affect the developers more directly than JK.

Not buying anything new from her or engaging with her on Twitter are probably better ways of making it known her transphobia isn't tolerated.
 
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McLaren
Oh, most definitely. I get people wanted to hit her where it hurts in her wallet, but at the same time, with the gaming industry already brutal as is, it's hard to go with a notion that would affect the developers more directly than JK.

Not buying anything new from her or engaging with her on Twitter are probably better ways of making it known her transphobia isn't tolerated.
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People lapped up the World Cup despite its numerous human rights issues.

It hurts to really sacriface something for the greater good.

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Bringing it back on topic, are there any worthwhile links to the stories brought up in @R55NA's video?
 
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R55NA
My IQ level is too low for this discussion.

Let me exit in disgrace.
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This is weird. You can "exit" any time you want, and it has little to do with "IQ" which is pretty much a measure of traditional, mechanical intelligence rather than anything involving reasoning.

If you want to be free to say "I like [x]", people must also be free to say "I don't like [x]". And also "I don't like you because you don't like [x]". Your given example isn't a free speech issue at all.

This, however, is:

www.kentonline.co.uk

‘It’s a bit harsh!’ The Kent district where you can get fined £100 for swearing

“Draconian” new council powers allowing enforcement officers to dish out £100 fines for swearing have left residents divided.
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