Freezing - heat related?

[bmwisme]

Ok, it has been awhile since I have had a freeze and that was only when I used the Zonda Cinque Roadster HP Edition (PI A2070) - maybe a couple more freezes with something else but it has been awhile since I have been perfectly satisfied with lesser PI cars.
Today I wanted to test the same Zonda on Nordschleife as I heard others saying that their freezes are repeatable - Nordschleife was one of the problem tracks with high PI cars. Well, I could not get it to freeze but am having a BLAST doing this testing.

My theory is that the freezing is "heat" related - at least the freezing while driving high PI cars. I have monitored my computer in the past when running my sims, especially when overclocking, and the CPU would get VERY hot at high speed.
For testing, I lowered the ambient room temporature to 72 degrees, set my PS3 (Slim, 120GB, 3.65 firmware) on a wired riser for air flow, and positioned a fan a foot away blowing directly on the PS3. Then ran my tests on Nordschleife:

1st - time trial: Zonda Cinque Roadster (PI 2010) - reached 205 MPH
2nd - time trial: GUMPERT apollo - reached 194 MPH
3rd - race: Zonda with 15 same class competitors

Not a very thorough test and I guess I should now test by restricting airflow with a higher ambient temperature but I don't think I will force the issue today.

BTW, racing these cars on Nordschleife are a real treat. The force feedback was excellent, the AI very tough, the sounds and sense of speed was fantastic. I guess I would expect everyone to enjoy racing S2U as I do but also realize that won't happen. It is a mystery as to the wide range of opinions on this title.

My $.02

 

[HKS racer]

In "support" to this theory I can say 1.10 GT5 patch make the PS3 even hotter and the menu now start to slowing down, there are some online issues too but I don't know if it's anywhere related and yours is still just a theory, even if it's respectable one.

 

[FLX1981]

bmwisme, do you mean you reached those speeds when the game froze or you didnt have a freeze? My room is usually rather cool and I have the same hardware, yet I get those freezes, even at way lower speeds. And I get them no matter if the PS3 ran for hours or just got started - that would speak against your theory. Works Bentley at Nordschleife or Bathurst = guaranteed freeze everytime, no matter the conditions.

 

[RomKnight]

I still think its s car/track combo problem. I did the ring with the cinque last time I played for at least an hour without a problem.

 

[bmwisme]

bmwisme, do you mean you reached those speeds when the game froze or you didnt have a freeze? My room is usually rather cool and I have the same hardware, yet I get those freezes, even at way lower speeds. And I get them no matter if the PS3 ran for hours or just got started - that would speak against your theory. Works Bentley at Nordschleife or Bathurst = guaranteed freeze everytime, no matter the conditions.

No, I didn't get any freezes.

If anyone can suggest a track/car combo that consistently causes a freeze let me know - I would like to try myself.

EDIT: FLX1981, didn't see your suggestion of the Bentley - will give that one a try.

 

[bmwisme]

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Works Bentley at Nordschleife or Bathurst = guaranteed freeze everytime, no matter the conditions.

OK, had time to try a "works" Bentley.

1st: Nordschleife - Time Trial - hit 200 MPH
2nd: Nordschleife - Race w/15 class opponents (AI is tough!!!)
3rd: Mt. Paramount (Bathurst) - Time Trial - hit 200 MPH

No freezes!

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And I get them no matter if the PS3 ran for hours or just got started - that would speak against your theory.
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It doesn't take much time at all (minutes) to get a CPU hot if under stress.

 

[Sier_Pinski]

OK, had time to try a "works" Bentley.

1st: Nordschleife - Time Trial - hit 200 MPH
2nd: Nordschleife - Race w/15 class opponents (AI is tough!!!)
3rd: Mt. Paramount (Bathurst) - Time Trial - hit 200 MPH

No freezes!



It doesn't take much time at all (minutes) to get a CPU hot if under stress.

Perhaps there's a variable at work here.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5427698#post5427698

Vaxxtx has a PS3 Slim and has managed to complete the GT1 Championship along with driving many works cars without a freeze. I managed to ask him a few questions about what he has done and what some of his settings are. The third answer strikes me the most: he is using the 'middle' driving physics, instead of the elite (the latter of which I am currently using, and getting constant freezes with high-speed cars.)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5428941#post5428941

So bmwisme, what driving physics are you using?

 

[plate88]

I still think its s car/track combo problem. I did the ring with the cinque last time I played for at least an hour without a problem.

I agree. I've only had freezing issues on the ring in 1500PI and higher cars. I have latest firmware, patch, and the wife likes the house at 68-70 degrees in the summer. My ps3 is a 120gb slim which is only about 3 months old. The ps3 runs usually around 90 degrees.

I will say that while playing GT5 driving the FGT around the ring the ps3 will get super hot. Way hotter than S2U around the ring. We're talking 110+ degrees.

It could also be a fps issue. I'm pretty sure S2U only runs at 30 fps at its highest. Then we all know about the corner fps slowdowns. Maybe the fps is getting really low when going really fast and it freezes up like a pc would do if the fps gets too low. I know I don't see the fps slowing down, but maybe its skipping frames and locks up.

Anybody know what platform S2U was made on? I know porting ps3 games from the pc is not the best way to make ps3 games. Look at Fallout 3, it was ported from the pc and has many bugs on the ps3.

Just some ideas on what it could be. Really, it could be a multitude of things or muliple things at the same time causing it.

 

[AnPrionsaBeag]

Don't know if it's caused by heat issues but it's very frustrating for an otherwise exhilarating game. I stopped racing on the Nordschleife with supercars.

 

[UVeryVeryBadMan]

Hi, after exhaustive tests over a months, I have NO DOUBT it is code related! vehicles over 1500 pts on fast long tracks, cause a freeze 95% of the time.

Hope to race with you soon on-line, "that is".

regards UVVBM

Ok, it has been awhile since I have had a freeze and that was only when I used the Zonda Cinque Roadster HP Edition (PI A2070) - maybe a couple more freezes with something else but it has been awhile since I have been perfectly satisfied with lesser PI cars.
Today I wanted to test the same Zonda on Nordschleife as I heard others saying that their freezes are repeatable - Nordschleife was one of the problem tracks with high PI cars. Well, I could not get it to freeze but am having a BLAST doing this testing.

My theory is that the freezing is "heat" related - at least the freezing while driving high PI cars. I have monitored my computer in the past when running my sims, especially when overclocking, and the CPU would get VERY hot at high speed.
For testing, I lowered the ambient room temporature to 72 degrees, set my PS3 (Slim, 120GB, 3.65 firmware) on a wired riser for air flow, and positioned a fan a foot away blowing directly on the PS3. Then ran my tests on Nordschleife:

1st - time trial: Zonda Cinque Roadster (PI 2010) - reached 205 MPH
2nd - time trial: GUMPERT apollo - reached 194 MPH
3rd - race: Zonda with 15 same class competitors

Not a very thorough test and I guess I should now test by restricting airflow with a higher ambient temperature but I don't think I will force the issue today.

BTW, racing these cars on Nordschleife are a real treat. The force feedback was excellent, the AI very tough, the sounds and sense of speed was fantastic. I guess I would expect everyone to enjoy racing S2U as I do but also realize that won't happen. It is a mystery as to the wide range of opinions on this title.

My $.02

 

[bredita]

I have tried lowering the room temperature but Shift 2 unleashed need for speed limits still freezes.

I have bought a brand new ps3 slim to replace my old fat ps3 and Shift 2 unleashed need for speed limits freezes on that one as well.

 

[arvore]

I have tried lowering the room temperature but Shift 2 unleashed need for speed limits still freezes.

I have bought a brand new ps3 slim to replace my old fat ps3 and Shift 2 unleashed need for speed limits freezes on that one as well.

\sarcasm
Nah it should be Your hardware...it can't be a flaw in such a great game...do You live in Africa?
sarcasm/

 

[bmwisme]

Ok, I give up... I have "not" been able to get my PS3 to freeze - I just must be lucky!
If it was just bad S2U coding it would be freezing on all PS3's. There is some combination of variables that cause a freeze - some PS3's have none to few, others very often and in various places (menu's, track loading, high speed, etc.). The combination of the S2U patches and 3.65 firmware must have done it for me. All together, over the past two days, I must have run this track 20-25 times without any freezing.

Experienced/Pro/and Elite handling
Helmet and bumper CAM's
Nordschleife
Zonda Roadster - time trials and races - top speed 206
GUMPERT apollo - time trials and races - top speed 191
Bentley (works) - time trials and races - top speed 200
Lambo Murcielago - time trials and races - top speed 237

BUT, don't take your eyes off the road at 383 KPH!

OUCH!

 

[bredita]

\sarcasm
Nah it should be Your hardware...it can't be a flaw in such a great game...do You live in Africa?
sarcasm/

Norway

 

[arvore]

Great pics!👍
Look just consider Yourself lucky, it's not like I have a freeze every day-I avoid them playing mostly Legends and GT3- but I got 2 out of 3 tries in that track with those cars!

 

[arvore]

Great pics!👍
Look just consider Yourself lucky, it's not like I have a freeze every day-I avoid them playing mostly Legends and GT3- but I got 2 out of 3 tries in that track with those cars!

Norway

I know.
Just being ironic.

 

[bredita]

Ok, I give up... I have "not" been able to get my PS3 to freeze - I just must be lucky!
If it was just bad S2U coding it would be freezing on all PS3's. There is some combination of variables that cause a freeze - some PS3's have none to few, others very often and in various places (menu's, track loading, high speed, etc.). The combination of the S2U patches and 3.65 firmware must have done it for me. All together, over the past two days, I must have run this track 20-25 times without any freezing.

Experienced/Pro/and Elite handling
Helmet and bumper CAM's
Nordschleife
Zonda Roadster - time trials and races - top speed 206
GUMPERT apollo - time trials and races - top speed 191
Bentley (works) - time trials and races - top speed 200
Lambo Murcielago - time trials and races - top speed 237

If it freezes on a brand new PS3 in reasonable temperatures (18-20 degrees C) then I would say they have not done their job properly. It's not too difficult to test a game on the latest version of the console

If your top speed is in km/h then I'm not surprised at all. If it's mph then I'm a bit surprised that you don't see any freezing.

One thing I've noticed though, is that if I drive fairly well, no crashing, then it freezes more often than if I drive badly and crash a lot...

I've tried two different limited edition discs and one standard edition disc, so I'm pretty sure it's not the disc. I've tried two ps3's (one very old, one brand new). I've tried different game settings (all I can think of - hud on/off, sound on/off, different views etc etc. Tried with/without internet. Wiped installed game data and my game save and started from scratch several times. Tried playing with windows open (bringing room temperature down to around 18C). And I've tried lots of things I have forgot to mention.

This would be a very good game if only I could prevent it from freezing, so if you have any suggestions to what I can try/do, please let me know

And yes, I've got the latest ps3 firmware and I think the latest shift 2 game update (I don't know how to check so I'm not sure, but it doesn't offer any upgrades when I start the game).

Edit: And the only freezes I have is when driving fast cars fast - no menu freezing. The so-called "mini freezes" don't count - I can live with it if the game freezes for a split second and then continues without me having to reboot the box

 

[Vaxxtx]

My freeze's in the past 2 weeks:

1. A buddy and I were in an online room. Game froze, but I could still use the PS button and quit.

2. A freeze after I was changing the steerling lock for ALL my cars. After about 20 cars, it froze. Hard reboot.

I have taken a Lambo with PI 2210 to Nurburg, Mt. Panorama, and Raod America with no issues so far. Granted, I only used the Test Tune and Quick Race on those tracks. I am in the same boat as BMW...I just dont get many freezes, and not one a high speed one.

I also live in S. Texas....its 93 degrees here at 9pm with humidity at 98%. It aint cool.

I can switch handeling to Elite and see if that make ANY diff. All aids are off cept best line right now though.

 

[Sier_Pinski]

bmwisme, this may be a bit of a harsh favor, but could you please give us your settings selected in ALL aspects the options menu for the game? I'm thinking there may be a special 'combination' of selected options that may be preventing you from freezing.

Also, what wheel are you using if you are not using a Dualshock?

You and Vaxxtx are of a rare species of PS3 S2U users, so if EA/SMS do not want to fix the problem, you are our only hope.

 

[bmwisme]

bmwisme, this may be a bit of a harsh favor, but could you please give us your settings selected in ALL aspects the options menu for the game? I'm thinking there may be a special 'combination' of selected options that may be preventing you from freezing.

Also, what wheel are you using if you are not using a Dualshock?

You and Vaxxtx are of a rare species of PS3 S2U users, so if EA/SMS do not want to fix the problem, you are our only hope.

Using a DFGT wheel. I will try to collect and post all settings. It sure would be nice to find the "missing link" as I am tired of hearing of the freezing issue - can imagine what a pain in the a$$ for those getting these freezes regularly.
Hopefully mine will not start freezing at some point

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

Sorry to add to the list, but the majority of my freezes have happened either while watching a replay or just after, while loading the next race in the series. I've got a 80gb "fatty" PS3 with the DS3 controller, and these have happened in both my careers. First time around I was using Experienced\Medium AI, the second using Pro\Hard AI. No consistency with time of use either... some while well into racing, some just after start-up. I also have seen the high speed (and not so high speed) on Nordschleife freezes as well...

 

[tribolik]

Ive got a Slim and I havent had any freezes so it must be a FAT PS3 problem

Oh yeah? let me just say 🤬 you... it is suppose to work well with ALL PS3s not just some and they have to fix it (even though there are a lot of reports of SLIMS freezing with the game also)... I havent played it for over two weeks now - waiting for the patch

 

[JWalker]

I'm playing on Slim PS3/G27. Haven't had that many freezes but there were some. And from my experience these freezes are either autolog related or something else i don't know yet. What i'm trying to say is that every time my game froze it was either a career or quick race. However when i tune my cars i drive a lot in test drive mode or whatever it calls in tuning menu, and never had a freeze there. Seems like the autolog is off in that mode and i can drive for hours without even fps dropping. Just last week i've been tuning my stock koenigsegg and testing it on nordschleife. I've put like 4 or 5 laps without any issue. Next i start a career race in it on the same track and it froze after 15 secs. I've also been tuning my bmw m1 procar for WTC and spent quite a lot of time testing it on nordschleife. But when i took it to quick race mode it froze on the first lap. And the car was something like 13** PI.

What do you guys think about it? I would gladly test this theory out, but i don't get many freezes overall.

 

[bmwisme]

Using a DFGT wheel. I will try to collect and post all settings. It sure would be nice to find the "missing link" as I am tired of hearing of the freezing issue - can imagine what a pain in the a$$ for those getting these freezes regularly.
Hopefully mine will not start freezing at some point

Well, had some time to test and I have come to the conclusion I don't have any idea what I am taking about But, I don't think it is an overheating issue - not that I was hell-bent on that theory anyway. What is strange is that I have had virtually no freezing UNTIL my testing undertaking. During a couple of stints I could not get S2U to freeze no matter what I tried - car, track, etc. Then all of a sudden I started to get high speed freezes regularly. For the life of me I don't know what variable could have caused this behavior now but not before.
AND, that was then (couple of days ago) this is now and the freezing is gone. In a nutshell, I have no idea

What is strange is the widely varying freezing issue - menu access, track loading, high PI cars, certain tracks, full moon, odd day of week, etc.. If I was going to take another stab I wonder if this is related to a coding memory leak. I have done some programming and in most cases a coding mistake is repeatable but a low level memory leak can be finicky. Now days, much software development will use very high level RAD development tools and this forces reliance on the quanlty of the reusble software components.
I give up and will enjoy what I can - still having a blast with this one.

 

[bmwisme]

I'm playing on Slim PS3/G27. Haven't had that many freezes but there were some. And from my experience these freezes are either autolog related or something else i don't know yet. What i'm trying to say is that every time my game froze it was either a career or quick race. However when i tune my cars i drive a lot in test drive mode or whatever it calls in tuning menu, and never had a freeze there. Seems like the autolog is off in that mode and i can drive for hours without even fps dropping. Just last week i've been tuning my stock koenigsegg and testing it on nordschleife. I've put like 4 or 5 laps without any issue. Next i start a career race in it on the same track and it froze after 15 secs. I've also been tuning my bmw m1 procar for WTC and spent quite a lot of time testing it on nordschleife. But when i took it to quick race mode it froze on the first lap. And the car was something like 13** PI.

What do you guys think about it? I would gladly test this theory out, but i don't get many freezes overall.

I too have considered AutoLog but ruled that out when I started to get freezing when disconnected. Most of my freezing, and only lately during testing my heat theory, was during time trials - high PI cars on Nordschliefe.

It does "seem" profile related as I was getting the high speed freeze on my primary PS3 profile but after switching to another profile would not get any freeze. It is VERY unpreditable! But, what I have learned if anything is I don't have the knowledge or tools to troubleshoot and hope for SMS/EA to fix.

 

[AOS-]

Can we not be double posting, please?

 

[bmwisme]

Can we not be double posting, please?

Sorry, I didn't think this was a double posting issue - two distinct thread comments. One was a follow up to an earlier post (mine) that I had promissed, the other was a comment to another users contribution.

 

[AOS-]

Well, you don't need to separate comments by posts, just use line breaks... a lot if you need.



and making a post at 10:45 and then another 8 minutes later does count as one. Just letting you know 👍

 

[arvore]

Well, you don't need to separate comments by posts, just use line breaks... a lot if you need.



and making a post at 10:45 and then another 8 minutes later does count as one.

Just letting you know 👍

Oh really?
In whose name?
How many minutes for not be double posting?
Where is it written in the AUP?
What's the square root of 137 393?

Are You a Mod , now or You just came out of Your way to post this?

If You think he is in AUP violation, just report it!

 

[J-PaP]

Why report it and get the person in trouble with a mod if they can just be given a friendly reminder. Some people just don't realise what they are doing is wrong.

Anyway. I've had the game freeze a few times. Most of the time I'm just driving in a straight line. No ai anywhere near me. Only thing is it has only started happening when I'm close to top speed always and has started to occur in the later stages of the game when I have been using faster cars.

What has been more annoying for me is the sound glitching in this game. I've had to reboot the game a few times after the sound goes completely haywire. Plus the countless times the sound becomes choppy but I just press through it.

PS. I have a ps3 slim so it isn't a ps3 fat thing.