Freezing - heat related?

[arvore]

Why report it and get the person in trouble with a mod if they can just be given a friendly reminder. Some people just don't realise what they are doing is wrong.

If that was the case-friendly reminder-why not do it by PM, instead of publicly calling him out on something that isn't even specified in the AUP?


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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=152417

 

[DrJustice]

...What is strange is the widely varying freezing issue - menu access, track loading, high PI cars, certain tracks, full moon, odd day of week, etc.. If I was going to take another stab I wonder if this is related to a coding memory leak....

Indeed, something like that; leaks, invalid pointers, out of bounds indices, synchronization errors etc.. From what I've read and experienced myself, it looks like it's down to sloppy coding. The fact that some users get freezes and some don't is not really surprising at all. Bugs can hit under very special circumstances that some users produce and others don't. The causes of these things can become extremely woolly, e.g. certain combinations of the state of the game save, user settings and other stored data, the current session history and particular sequences of user actions and so on.

DJ
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[arvore]

Indeed, something like that; leaks, invalid pointers, out of bounds indices, synchronization errors etc.. From what I've read and experienced myself, it looks like it's down to sloppy coding. The fact that some users get freezes and some don't is not really surprising at all. Bugs can hit under very special circumstances that some users produce and others don't. The causes of these things can become extremely woolly, e.g. certain combinations of the state of the game save, user settings and other stored data, the current session history and particular sequences of user actions and so on.

DJ
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Yep , I believe this to be the case, also.
Do You know if it is possible for them to fix it at feasible costs?
Or the costs involved in such a code review would imply so high costs that it's less probable they will ever fix it?

 

[DrJustice]

^ Well, fixing a bug is always technically possible (it's technically possible to avoid them in the first place too...), but sometimes the cost of fixing deep bugs is prohibitive, particularly in a short lived product such as a game. As we know, games are too often hastily developed and sent out the door with no intention of further development or maintenance, except a patch or two to mend some of the easily (cheaply) fixed problems. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the forthcoming patch addresses it.

I'm not holding my breath for a fix though, seeing as there has been two patches since the freezing was reported, and not a word from EA/SMS on the issue.

DJ
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[jbuzza]

^ Well, fixing a bug is always technically possible (it's technically possible to avoid them in the first place too...), but sometimes the cost of fixing deep bugs is prohibitive, particularly in a short lived product such as a game. As we know, games are too often hastily developed and sent out the door with no intention of further development or maintenance, except a patch or two to mend some of the easily (cheaply) fixed problems. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the forthcoming patch addresses it.

I'm not holding my breath for a fix though, seeing as there has been two patches since the freezing was reported, and not a word from EA/SMS on the issue.

DJ
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I agree, it is only possible to fix something once you have determined the root cause of the problem. So either the root cause is still unknown or it is known but requires a prohibitive amount of effort to fix. If a fix was simple it would likely have been made by now.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Ok, just FYI as someone who has very few freezes, and never had a high speed freeze. I got one last night. The Works Champion series on Mount Panorama at night, second lap, high speed strait, my car was 1601 PI (I think), and right before the little turn to the right at the end of the strait, it froze and my wheel was shakin.

So, that sucks.

 

[arvore]

Welcome to my World!

 

[Vaxxtx]

Welcome to my World!

Your world sucks...let me out!

I have always felt sorry for all the folks that talk about this. Now...who will feel sorry for me? Because EA/SMS arent :/

 

[AngloAmerican]

Just had my first freeze playing this game.

Its the very first time my PS3 has had to be rebooted whilst playing a game, and ive got a lot of games that it has never done so before.

Typical, ive just started to progress thru the career mode after having the steering issues, and now this happens.

If a patch does not do anything, i will just trade SU2 (taking a hit offcourse) and i will not support SMS/EA ever again.

This crap is really unnessasary for a game these days. I buy games on my PS3 rather than on my PC because i dont trust the PC to not crash whilst gaming, and yet this happens on my PS3 version?.

AA

 

[arvore]

Just had my first freeze playing this game.

Its the very first time my PS3 has had to be rebooted whilst playing a game, and ive got a lot of games that it has never done so before.

You're a very lucky guy then, look I blame E.A. as much as You(in fact is the third reclamation mail I have no response from their Costumer Service, aside the automatic reply) and I will haunt them until they fix it or I stop playing this game, whatever happens first.
But in name of fairness pretty much every racing game I owned had freezing issues-even GT5 got me 1 or 2-SSV8NC, SCC, etc
Some only have this problems occasionally others very regularly like S2U and SCC.

 

[AngloAmerican]

You're a very lucky guy then, look I blame E.A. as much as You(in fact is the third reclamation mail I have no response from their Costumer Service, aside the automatic reply) and I will haunt them until they fix it or I stop playing this game, whatever happens first.
But in name of fairness pretty much every racing game I owned had freezing issues-even GT5 got me 1 or 2-SSV8NC, SCC, etc
Some only have this problems occasionally others very regularly like S2U and SCC.

Going by what ive read quite a lot of customers have this freezing. I wonder if they can even fix this?, or more to the point, do they want to fix this?. They took our money, and have yet to do anything about it.

Like i said this will be the last time i purchase any game made my SMS/EA again, if this isnt fixed in a patch. No other game has crashed on me, and i got like 35 or so of them. Most on disk, but some downloaded from the PSN store.

GT5 has never crashed, froze or screwed up on me at all. Ok im only at 35% in GT5 which isnt much. But in SU2 im only at 1% career mode, yet ive had the known steering issues, and now the infamous well known freeze issue.

It just scares me to play it now because i really dont want my PS3 to screw up due to hard booting when this happens. This game really isnt worth me loosing all the data on the HD for.

I guess i shall start bombarding them with emails.............not like it will do me any good mind you.

AA

 

[fatkrakr]

Im not positive but I think ejecting the disc and reinstalling it is better than powering down the ps3.

 

[bmwisme]

You (AngloAmerican) have every right to be furious, incensed, infuriated, irritated, livid, provoked, and enraged! We all paid good money for this - and lately less to put towards entertainment.
S2U is the buggiest game I own but I still have more time in this than all my other console racing games put together. Granted, I don't get much freezing but I have not progressed to the fastest cars yet. The Legends and Autolog has consumed most of my time lately.
I guess I am more forgiving, not to SMS/EA, on the warts. It seems like a split crowd as to whether to enjoy what we can or move on.

 

[arvore]

It seems like a split crowd as to whether to enjoy what we can or move on.

Definitely enjoy what we can...before moving on.

 

[AngloAmerican]

You (AngloAmerican) have every right to be furious, incensed, infuriated, irritated, livid, provoked, and enraged! We all paid good money for this - and lately less to put towards entertainment.
S2U is the buggiest game I own but I still have more time in this than all my other console racing games put together. Granted, I don't get much freezing but I have not progressed to the fastest cars yet. The Legends and Autolog has consumed most of my time lately.
I guess I am more forgiving, not to SMS/EA, on the warts. It seems like a split crowd as to whether to enjoy what we can or move on.

I really wish i could ignore the freeze and hope it wont happen again. For now, i have turned off the autolog feature, just to see if that helps anything. Doing some reading online, i came across that info, so i will see if it helps me out.

Since helping me with the steering, i was starting to enjoy this game very much up until the freeze that is. I really dont want my PS3 to screw up with the rebooting if it keeps crashing. So im a little reluctant/hesitant to keep trying.

Maybe just one more try...............

AA

 

[bmwisme]

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I really dont want my PS3 to screw up with the rebooting if it keeps crashing. So im a little reluctant/hesitant to keep trying.
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For what it's worth, I haven't read of anyone with a scewed up PS3 because of this but I understand your concern.

 

[AngloAmerican]

For what it's worth, I haven't read of anyone with a scewed up PS3 because of this but I understand your concern.

Thats good to know bmwisme

I build and fix pc's, and ive had numerous parts fail on a PC due to a storm, or just the PC locking up in general. Over time, the lockups just affect the system, especially the Hard Drives.

My thinking is that the same may happen on the PS3, seeing as it also uses Hard Drives, and some similar components that a PC has. It just kinda freaks me out, seeing as console gaming is supposed to be more stable than on a PC.

Heck, if i wanted i could chose to of bought the games i have for my PS3 on the PC. I chose not to because consoles are supposed to be more stable on a console (in my opinion).

Maybe its just limited to this game. This is my first freeze gaming on the PS3 in just over 18 months, so i guess i will wait for a patch, and see if it helps. If not then screw EA/SMS. I will not be supporting them no more.

AA

 

[Vaxxtx]

Thats good to know bmwisme

I build and fix pc's, and ive had numerous parts fail on a PC due to a storm, or just the PC locking up in general. Over time, the lockups just affect the system, especially the Hard Drives.

My thinking is that the same may happen on the PS3, seeing as it also uses Hard Drives, and some similar components that a PC has. It just kinda freaks me out, seeing as console gaming is supposed to be more stable than on a PC.

Heck, if i wanted i could chose to of bought the games i have for my PS3 on the PC. I chose not to because consoles are supposed to be more stable on a console (in my opinion).

Maybe its just limited to this game. This is my first freeze gaming on the PS3 in just over 18 months, so i guess i will wait for a patch, and see if it helps. If not then screw EA/SMS. I will not be supporting them no more.

AA

If you fix PC's then I am sure you have backups of all your game data, right? I mean as a former hardcore PC builder myself, I know how to protect all my "HD Data", so I assume as a PC builder/fixer you do as well. Also you have a spare hard drive right? Swapping out hard drives is pretty simple.

Also, there have been soooo many reports about a PS3 "breaking" due to a game. Like Fallout and Fuel....all BS. Also, swaping the HD on a PS3 is pretty easy as well. I am not sure why you "freaked" out.

I think you might just like to rage on and on about boycotting EA/SMS.

 

[AngloAmerican]

If you fix PC's then I am sure you have backups of all your game data, right? I mean as a former hardcore PC builder myself, I know how to protect all my "HD Data", so I assume as a PC builder/fixer you do as well. Also you have a spare hard drive right? Swapping out hard drives is pretty simple.

Also, there have been soooo many reports about a PS3 "breaking" due to a game. Like Fallout and Fuel....all BS. Also, swaping the HD on a PS3 is pretty easy as well. I am not sure why you "freaked" out.

I think you might just like to rage on and on about boycotting EA/SMS.

Nope, i dont like to rage on at boycotting them at all. If they had not released the game in the condition its in, then they wouldnt be taking the stick they are for it.

Yes, i always have full image backups backed up to an external and internal HD for my PC. I also back up my game data for the PS3 as well. Im not stupid.

When you purchase games (a luxury to some btw) you should not have to worry about it damaging anything. You should be able to enjoy and admire the work that was put into it. Not worry about it crashing or freezing up.

I have Fallout 3 and New Vegas btw, and ive not had any issues at all. Unlike a lot of unhappy gamers out there. Weird how that works isnt it?. Mine is fine, while others are complaining and boycotting Bethesda because its causing issues for them.

Ive purchased something (S2U) that isnt working correctly. So if they dont fix it (which i get the feeling they wont) i have a right to moan and complain, as well as boycott them. End of.

AA

 

[FLX1981]

I wont try more of the 1800+ PI races on Spa, Nordschleife, Bathurst until the next patch. In the hope they will adress the freezing issue with it. One thing we probably can agree on is that it cant be good to the system if your PS3 gets a hard freeze in full operation and the wheels feedback motors are getting cooked for several seconds in full rumble when it happens.

Therefor I was very happy when I found out that you can beat Mad Mike in the works championship with a 1600 PI Delta Integrale! The GT1 will have to wait, though...

BTW: If heat is any factor in the freezing issue, I will be able to tell soon because since yesterday its gotten very hot here... over 30° C. Had no freeze in 2 hrs yesterday evening, though. Even while going around Dijon in my 2200 PI Murcie Works.