G27 incoming
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But both the H-shifter and the sequential shifter on the G25 sucks IMO... (to tired to be diplomatic) so how does that helpThe sequential just doesn´t work. Press down on it just a little and it refuses to shift gears. Happened all the time for me. And there is like 0 resistance on any of them.
The only pro is the mounting of the G25 shifter give you much more freedom and a more solid mount as well.
For me the shifter was the weakest link on the G25. Pedals being it´s biggest strength.
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Absolutely. I never really felt like I was driving a car with the G25's flimsy shifter. It always felt like a toy. A toy that might break if worked too hard. Leaving me to be gentle with it, which doesn't make for fun aggressive racing.
Yep but he also said:
So, he wasn't talking solely about FM3 and the Xbox360. A console could also mean the PS3, hence my comment!
All of you are absolutely right about the quality, or lack of it, of the G25 shifter, I agree!
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Reason i said first for a console was because FM3 will no doubt be out before GT5. The only other possibilities would be SHIFT or indeed DIRT2 but with its also something that if developers wanted they could patch later with a download update.
Thomas only hinted that when announcing the 900 degrees and clutch that maybe some other features might be added. I believe this was on the SRT video interview if you want to watch it.
My assumpition is that "other features" is likely to be the CSP brake feature. Likewise if Turn 10 are using the wheel to aid the games development its possible for them to do it if they wanted and maybe even as an exclusive on X360 or limited period exclusive so dont rule that out neither. Business can have a funny way of working, it has to be in both their interests id say....
Regards GT5 having the feature, well Thomas isnt likely to go into detail here and even given a scanario if approaching P Digital to state FM3 may have it, however P Digital are unlikely to help promote Fanatec when their relationship with Logitech has a healthy past with several official wheels. Contractual issues could come into play so its not always a case of if its possible technically, other factors have to be taken into account.
Let me ask you guys this, say Microsoft or indeed Sony offered such a feature but you had to pay for the "update", say $4.99 would you still be interested or outraged?
Who knows what way it could be added to consoles, they could see it as an oppertunity to fleece us all for a bit more....
Thomas only hinted that when announcing the 900 degrees and clutch that maybe some other features might be added. I believe this was on the SRT video interview if you want to watch it.
My assumpition is that "other features" is likely to be the CSP brake feature. Likewise if Turn 10 are using the wheel to aid the games development its possible for them to do it if they wanted and maybe even as an exclusive on X360 or limited period exclusive so dont rule that out neither. Business can have a funny way of working, it has to be in both their interests id say....
Regards GT5 having the feature, well Thomas isnt likely to go into detail here and even given a scanario if approaching P Digital to state FM3 may have it, however P Digital are unlikely to help promote Fanatec when their relationship with Logitech has a healthy past with several official wheels. Contractual issues could come into play so its not always a case of if its possible technically, other factors have to be taken into account.
Let me ask you guys this, say Microsoft or indeed Sony offered such a feature but you had to pay for the "update", say $4.99 would you still be interested or outraged?
Who knows what way it could be added to consoles, they could see it as an oppertunity to fleece us all for a bit more....
If I remember correctly, MS was at one point trying to buy out Logitech. I don't think thery were at all interested in the company but instead it was just a way to get rid of the competition.
Either Logitech or Fanatec need to come up with a user replaceable wheel design, something like the Frexwheel except for fraction of the price. I don't want a Porsche wheel and I want to be able to have the right size wheel for F1 sim as well. This way I can have my 11" Sparco wheel for GT5 then switch to my Momo 9.5" for CM F1 racing sim. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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Looks like a G25 with shift lights and extra buttons 
That said, I could really use some shift lights and extra buttons on my G25, save me from constantly having to change the HUD going from car to car and I always run out of buttons on the G25.
Its a shame MS dont get on the boat and support the same wheels as everyone else. I'm aware of the hardware difficulties (XID vs HID), but I'm sure if MS just gave logitech the freedom they could make something nice for it. The Fanatec wheel just isn't an option... pay for something now to get it in several months time? No thanks. Plus its not even available easily in Australia and would cost more than a G25 and from what I've seen isn't a hell of a lot better than it (I'm not convinced belt drives are the way to go, especially from a reliability perspective, I'd rather see a G25 with helical gears so it doesn't feel "clicky" and isn't so loud).
That said, I could really use some shift lights and extra buttons on my G25, save me from constantly having to change the HUD going from car to car and I always run out of buttons on the G25.Its a shame MS dont get on the boat and support the same wheels as everyone else. I'm aware of the hardware difficulties (XID vs HID), but I'm sure if MS just gave logitech the freedom they could make something nice for it. The Fanatec wheel just isn't an option... pay for something now to get it in several months time? No thanks. Plus its not even available easily in Australia and would cost more than a G25 and from what I've seen isn't a hell of a lot better than it (I'm not convinced belt drives are the way to go, especially from a reliability perspective, I'd rather see a G25 with helical gears so it doesn't feel "clicky" and isn't so loud).
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But both the H-shifter and the sequential shifter on the G25 sucks IMO... (to tired to be diplomatic) so how does that help
The only pro is the mounting of the G25 shifter give you much more freedom and a more solid mount as well.
For me the shifter was the weakest link on the G25. Pedals being it´s biggest strength.
We'll see how it ends up..but i'm running the 12 hours of daytona in a prototype in GTR2 at ABOUT 30 shifts per lap, easy. And i'm not even in the same zip code as being nice with it....you can hear my mount creak during each shift
(granted it's not the strongest mount, either)
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Could also be something about the display. Since Forza 2 already had quite advanced telemetry maybe not to hard to get it to show gear, speed or what not
True thats a good point.
Its clear that Logitech will loose many sales to Fanatec particulary the Turbo S. So many i feel have been hanging on for X360 support. G27 just doesnt seem worth an upgrade over a G25 or attractive of an upgrade of keeping the G25 you have and getting a Fanatec.
Why Logitech Will Loose Many Sales
Ive ordered the Turbo S purley for FM3, yes a single game but to me its going to be worth it over using the standard wheel. This may seem rather lavish but is it any moreso than buying a new GFX card for a PC to play the latest games, well thats how i look at it.
Major Benifit
Additionally though a major benifit is not having to swap out wheels/pedals all the time (which in most sim frames people will hard mount) when wanting to swap over to play X360/PS3 or PC. This is the winning ticket for the Turbo S wheel and cockpit owners.
The Difference A Cable Can Make
Ive asked and asked about the "adapter cables" that Fanatec (still havnt shipped) as these would allow a user of a cockpit to use Turbo S wheel with G25 pedals mounted in their frame. Many of us already own G25s right, but still want a good X360 wheel for Forza right? If so you also do not need to buy additional pedals and as we know the G25 pedals are better than the standard Fanatec pedals anyways.
Easy Switch
In theory by removing only the wheel itself and adapter plug i would assume an easy quick change to G25/Turbo S wheel for PC or PS3 playing.
Importantly by not having to undo all the bolts etc to then attach the other pedals is a real bonus. I speak of the importance of this as it was a serious pain/annoyance when i had X360 wheel/pedals and also G25 used on a Playseat Evolution. Many here id say could relate to this scanario, to undo one wheel/pedals to fasten annother easily would take 30 mins so became very tedious if you wanted to play the other system.
Wear n Tear
So if you buy a Turbo S and can use your G25 pedals, you can also spread the wear over the two wheels.
Personally im wanting to consider this idea but rather different by swapping between Turbo S & GT3RS.
Id use the Turbo S almost soley for FM3 and switch over to GT3RS for PC/PS3 and use both these wheels with the CS Pedals instead of G25 pedals, assuming i would prefer them?
Sorry this isnt directly discussion about G27 but i think its all relevant for those considering their options and upgrading or indeed have been holding off.
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Always fun to speculate. Turbo S main selling point is of course Xbox 360 support and to some extent guaranteed PS 3 support I suppose. But it´s such a small batch and so high priced due to the licensing costs primarily I suspect. It on it´s own will hardly sell anywhere near the G27. Even if there is new batches I believe.
Forza 3 was enough to sell it for me as well nice to hear I am not the only nutcase who got both the RS and Turbo S lol. But I do think we are in the minority here. Most will as you say get one wheel and the Turbo S is very steeply priced against the GT 3 RS/G25.
Hopefully I preferr the Turbo S grip so I can sell the RS to recover some at least.
I suppose Fanatec would need a carrera type of multi format wheel since I bet the DFP GT outsells the G25 to some ridiculous amount too. Turbo S and such is pretty much "statement" products just like nvidia and ATI doesn´t make the big money on their top end video cards.
So people may still get the el cheapo MS FFB wheel for Forza 3 and RS/G27 for PC/PS 3.
The production rate on it´s own is the reason I don´t expect logitech to be to worried even IF they have an inferior product or people would start to seeing it that way. Many understandable want to shop in stores or not pay in advance. Not to mention Logitech have much more money for marketing and it´s a well established brand already. Buyers are quite conservative I suspect generally.
As for CSP pedals on the playseat if you opt for the stiffer brake it will probably not work that well. As someone reported the angle may be a bit off as well. insidesimracing.tv ep 42 have a review of that seat with some tips on mounting the Fanatec wheel on it. I would probably if I still had it as mentioned used the G25 pedals Just so much easier to mount both the wheels and pedals.
Forza 3 was enough to sell it for me as well nice to hear I am not the only nutcase who got both the RS and Turbo S lol. But I do think we are in the minority here. Most will as you say get one wheel and the Turbo S is very steeply priced against the GT 3 RS/G25.
Hopefully I preferr the Turbo S grip so I can sell the RS to recover some at least.
I suppose Fanatec would need a carrera type of multi format wheel since I bet the DFP GT outsells the G25 to some ridiculous amount too. Turbo S and such is pretty much "statement" products just like nvidia and ATI doesn´t make the big money on their top end video cards.
So people may still get the el cheapo MS FFB wheel for Forza 3 and RS/G27 for PC/PS 3.
The production rate on it´s own is the reason I don´t expect logitech to be to worried even IF they have an inferior product or people would start to seeing it that way. Many understandable want to shop in stores or not pay in advance. Not to mention Logitech have much more money for marketing and it´s a well established brand already. Buyers are quite conservative I suspect generally.
As for CSP pedals on the playseat if you opt for the stiffer brake it will probably not work that well. As someone reported the angle may be a bit off as well. insidesimracing.tv ep 42 have a review of that seat with some tips on mounting the Fanatec wheel on it. I would probably if I still had it as mentioned used the G25 pedals Just so much easier to mount both the wheels and pedals.
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Yeah your not the only nutcase.
Dont get me wrong im not saying the G27 wont be massivly popular, it will but i think many X360 owners will be gutted and only now have the option of paying the price for a Turbo S or well stick to the normal wheel they may already have.
Again however Fanatec did list that the standard 360 pedals would work with the Turbo S (with the cable) so only the bare wheel needs to be bought and of course the dongle if they want PS3 support.
Dont get me wrong im not saying the G27 wont be massivly popular, it will but i think many X360 owners will be gutted and only now have the option of paying the price for a Turbo S or well stick to the normal wheel they may already have.
Again however Fanatec did list that the standard 360 pedals would work with the Turbo S (with the cable) so only the bare wheel needs to be bought and of course the dongle if they want PS3 support.
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Good points oqvist and Mr Latte, you guys pretty much nailed my thoughts so I'll try not to rehash what you already said. I have the G25 as well and will be jumping over to Fanetec when I send in my order for the Turbo S wheel this week.
My G25 is hard mounted in my cockpit, and I plan on purchasing Forza Day1 so swapping out to the MS wheel or the GTRS wheel is not a possibility for me, and I'm sure there is a substantial amount wheel owners out there that are in the same situation and probably switch over to Fanatec.
My G25 is hard mounted in my cockpit, and I plan on purchasing Forza Day1 so swapping out to the MS wheel or the GTRS wheel is not a possibility for me, and I'm sure there is a substantial amount wheel owners out there that are in the same situation and probably switch over to Fanatec.
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Just a heads up for those wanting a G25. Check this thread for a G25 for £69.99.
I don't buy that.
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haha they're not even half-decent photoshops.
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is the gear shifter of the g27 better then the one of the g25 because i have a g25 and i wanne know if the g27 will be better and i dont need more buttons so the only thing what could be interested is the gear shifter so should the gear shifter have more ressistance ore something
please answere
please answere
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I don't think this wheel will be all that much better than the G25 since G27 doesn't imply a significant upgrade. If it was called the G50 it would imply a big upgrade. Maybe that's just me though.
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ok thank you i think you are right thanks
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I think it's impossible to say seeing as we have no news yet.
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No, I don't know it. It's not a fact, just what I feel about it.
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ok i understand i think i gonne buy a seccond ps3 for better graphics
lol, and I think you posted this in the wrong thread.
This thread is about the new Logitech G27 racing wheel, not about the PS3 graphics!
