Gamepads VS Elite Mode VS Your Ego

[Jamesways]

Yeah, I'm not really having any issues with the 360 controller on Elite with no aids. Seems ok to me. I might give that a try with the GT1 cars though.

I do, however, understand about ego and assists. I'm using no HUD, Helmet Cam, Elite, aids off, line off. Don't know the course? A few laps will fix that, liek any other game.
But darn that Autolog, my goofball Forza buddies are constantly razznig me about my slow lap times compared to them. Granted I am not the fastest guy, and some of these guys are really fast, they're tuners and top 100 hotlappers in Forza.

BUT, in this, they're running with some assists, bumper cam, full HUD, and racing line, simply because that gives them faster times. "oh I'd never turn off the line, that'd make me slower".

The only thing that's important to them is beating their friends. And the ironic thing is, they'll complain about how they wish this was more sim. Then don't race with assists on and all that crap on the screen! They don't race Forza that way. That's what the Autolog does, right there.

Like I said, goofballs.

But, we each race for enjoyment, whatever that may mean. To each their own, right?

 

[JediRage]

I'm using Experienced physics with a DS3 and I was starting to notice some 'lag' with a Porsche GT3 RS.

I can't speak for the wheel users but this simply cannot be called lag. If you tweak the steering deadzone and sensitivity, it will eliminate this lag that people talk about. Like someone suggested earlier in the thread, I moved the steering deadzone to 3% and the sensitivity to 50%. I saw an instant improvement. The reduced deadzone causes the game to register even the smallest of input and the sensitivity will track small changes in direction.

Now the deadzone is too small for me and it was a tad too sensitive so I'm going to tweak that but those are good numbers to go by. I haven't touched the throttle settings.

So, try and tweak your settings yourselves before demanding SMS to give you tailor made settings.

These deadzone and sensitivity settings are definitely more sophisticated than the GT5 DS3 sensitivity settings(going from -2 to 7) they put in one of the last few updates.

 

[mini_roofer_S]

wow this helped ALOT. The game is really enjoyable now, while before it was a little more aggravating than it was enjoyable.

This steering assist is NOT obtrusive. It simply fixes the horrible amount of steering wobble that it originaly had. It basically makes the steering normal.

 

[Le Mans 88]

Me too. Cant keep it on track from bumper cam (my view of choice in GT5). On the other hand, I'm next to useless at cockpit in GT5. Go figure.

Still messing about with sensitivity settings to get the right feel (elite handling, low TC, ABS) but have found that fine inputs on the stick are key. I find steering in this game a lot easier to overcorrect and mess up than in GT.

I too use bumper cam in GT5.

In GT5 if the car slides I counter-steer with full lock resulting in a measured correction, do the same in Shift 2 and you see-saw across the track.

The stick is almost 1:1 with the wheel so it takes delicate control.

 

[Luminis]

I too use bumper cam in GT5.

In GT5 if the car slides I counter-steer with full lock resulting in a measured correction, do the same in Shift 2 and you see-saw across the track.

The stick is almost 1:1 with the wheel so it takes delicate control.

Agreed, in GT5, slamming the stick to full opposite lock usually did the trick in terms of counter steering for me, so having to actually make sure you're only countersteering as much as needed is something to get used to...

I had the see-sawing problem myself at first, but after adjusting a little, I'm getting rid of it, lap by lap

I'm currently using 0% deadzone and 75% sensitivity for my 360 controller and can't complain about how the cars handle. If they act strange, it's usually because they're set up incorrectly.

 

[bmwisme]

Other than the items (assists, damage, etc.) listed on the options screen, are there any differences to the "Handling Mode" choices. In other words, if "Normal" is choosen for the handling mode and the on screen settings are changed to mimic the defaults for Elite is there any game play differences. I myself do not see any difference. It seems to me to be just a quick adjustment and/or an enforcement for comparison sake.

How tough it is to win a race is based on the "Difficulty" setting.

Why do users still insist on "Elite" mode even though it is well documented that a little "Steering Asist" improves the experience? The "assist" is pretty much unnoticeable - it sure doesn't "prevent" you from controlling (or lack of) the car. Is it just because it is called "...Asist"?
Maybe it should be renamed to "Steering Performance Adjustment" to be less harmful to some peoples ego!

 

[Angry_bald_man]

It does make the game much more enjoyable. However i did notice that it DOES try to assist you....with steering assist on....drive down a straight away towards a corner... but dont turn in. The car/driver/game will try (very slightly) to turn in for you. I wish we could get a modified version of steering assist that smooths out the game, but doesnt turn in for you at all.

 

[bmwisme]

Yes, it does "try" if you are just crawling along - with any speed though I don't feel it. It's not anywhere even remotely close to the braking asist - that is very noticable even at race speeds.

 

[strideur]

It does make the game much more enjoyable. However i did notice that it DOES try to assist you....with steering assist on....drive down a straight away towards a corner... but dont turn in. The car/driver/game will try (very slightly) to turn in for you. I wish we could get a modified version of steering assist that smooths out the game, but doesnt turn in for you at all.

Try stability control. It smooths things out without auto steer. I found steering assist terrible. I don't use it on everything, but it helps with the wackier high end cars.

 

[brainfade]

Do people still use the D-Pad this day n age?

I use the D-Pad in GT5 as i can't be asked with massive wheel machinery and a really good touch for the pressure sensitive buttons. In Shift 2 for some reason there is an input delay using the d-pad, theres also an input delay on the L3 stick but not as severe as it is with the d-pad, I doubt EA will fix this as they tend to do no favours for their games on Sony platforms, they give all the attention to the 360 versions.

...anyone else notice that the drift cars are completely undriftable with DS3?

 

[PAWEL17]

I tried with all assists, still i can't play this...THING!

 

[tim_2shy4u]

Try stability control. It smooths things out without auto steer. I found steering assist terrible. I don't use it on everything, but it helps with the wackier high end cars.

I agree, I found stability control to be far less intrusive for my type of driving. Using steering assist will make my cornering smoother, but will send you into the wall if you decide to take your own driving line.

 

[SalvadorDagi]

Thank You! Thank You!

Between this thread and the Reknown Tuning thread DS3 controller setup, I am now loving every minute of this game. I still can't drive worth a hoot, but that's due to user error and not the controls.

Driving mode: Novice
Steering Help: On
Everything else off

 

[bmwisme]

PAWEL17, if I can drive/race this game I am SURE you can. I am not by any stretch of an imagination a gamer. I hate to see someone, if a racing enthusiast, miss out on the fun.
What system/control are you using and what settings are you using?

 

[PAWEL17]

PAWEL17, if I can drive/race this game I am SURE you can. I am not by any stretch of an imagination a gamer. I hate to see someone, if a racing enthusiast, miss out on the fun.
What system/control are you using and what settings are you using?

I set up my sensitivity on the HKS controller to 100, because of the lag, that elimintaed someone of it. I got all assists on, besides steering and braking(i want to drive not the ai for me). The problem is, everytime you go to take a corner, the car automatically slides around it, like its a drift car. So i decided, maybe your supposed to drive like in real life. So i brakes before the corner to 80km/h, held slightly on the accelarator, and surprise surprise the car keep sliding like its on ice. Then when i hit a wall, because an AI sneaks up on me on a corner, i try to avoid him, hit a wall, and the black and white throws me off, i try to get out from the wall, but the car is magnetized to it. When i break free, it dives to the other side, i quickly go to correct it, the car throws me back into the barrier, and black and white again!! I try to take it easy and pracitce, but after playing for 8 hours, the game simply does not let me drive, how i would like to. Because it is an ice ring simulator.

 

[bmwisme]

Don't exactly remember the settings I was using with the HSK but in "my opinion"...
1) 100% "steering" sensitivity is WAY to high - no wonder you are all over the place with a controller. If you were using a wheel then MAYBE but still too high. I think I was using 10% with 0 deadzone.
2) Turn up "speed" sensitivity until it feels right - start at 50%. I think I was at around 80-100.
3) TURN ON STEERING ASSIST! It does NOT control the car for you. Not evern noticable over a crawl.
4) Keep braking assist off - I totally agree with this one - the computer does take way too much control.
5) Drive a sensible car until you get the feel. There are a couple that drive well without tuning (add racing tires).
I will try my HKS tonight if I get a chance to refresh my memory.

 

[buziii]

Thank You! Thank You!

Between this thread and the Reknown Tuning thread DS3 controller setup, I am now loving every minute of this game. I still can't drive worth a hoot, but that's due to user error and not the controls.

Driving mode: Novice
Steering Help: On
Everything else off

Agreed. After reading this thread and using the updated settings on the Reknown Tuning, the driving improved tremendously. But, I'm still using other aids (not brakes!) until I get used to the game, then I'll gradually wean myself off and increase the difficulty.

 

[bmwisme]

Don't exactly remember the settings I was using with the HSK but in "my opinion"...
1) 100% "steering" sensitivity is WAY to high - no wonder you are all over the place with a controller. If you were using a wheel then MAYBE but still too high. I think I was using 10% with 0 deadzone.
2) Turn up "speed" sensitivity until it feels right - start at 50%. I think I was at around 80-100.
3) TURN ON STEERING ASSIST! It does NOT control the car for you. Not evern noticable over a crawl.
4) Keep braking assist off - I totally agree with this one - the computer does take way too much control.
5) Drive a sensible car until you get the feel. There are a couple that drive well without tuning (add racing tires).
I will try my HKS tonight if I get a chance to refresh my memory.

Spend some time with the HKS and it is definitely more challenging than a wheel - but I never was very good using my thumb for input. Shift 2 is very sensitive to inputs where GT5 was pretty easy to drive even for non-gamers. I tested in a VW Golf and Pagani Zonda Roadster - later being a tougher as everything happens so much quicker but both fun to drive.

With the HKS:
Steering Deadzone: 10
Steering Sensitivity: 0
Throttle Deadzone: 5
Throttle Sensitivity: 50
Brake Deadzone: 5
Brake Sensitivity: 5 *see below*
Clutch Deadzone: don't shift w/controller
Clutch Sensitivity: don't shift w/controller
Speed Sensitivity: 100
Speed Sensitivity Drift: haven't drifted

I also turn on the dreaded "steering assist" to smooth things out a little on the straights (not very noticable but everything helps). Of coarse this means no Elite mode but I cannot use this mode with a fast car and the DS3 or HKS!

* Note: The HKS gives me problems with braking - seems like all input is within a very small range so if not VERY light on the input the brakes will lockup. This is even more noticable in GT5 as there isn't any sensitivity/deadzone settings for the L2/R2 analog buttons.

I can put in some decent times with the DS3 or HKS but won't hold any records. They way I look at it, I have yet to see a real world race driver using his thumb to hotlap/race!