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speedy_samurai - Post #269
No, really there is an 'A' in bargain... Consult a dictionary.George Morley - Post #270
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George's Car Comparisons - Mercedes E55 AMG - Pictures And Styling Review Added!
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you're right about that D.E., i think all the readers deserve to read posts without spelling/grammar/ignorance-faults 👍
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Great work George.
I really enjoy reading your thoughts and opinions on these cars. While I may not agree with some of your picks, I also understand that these are largely subjective opinions and thus as seen by some of the response, many wont necessarily agree with them.
However, you have offered some excellent insight and at the very least brought some attention to many cars that don't get a lot of attention. 👍
I really enjoy reading your thoughts and opinions on these cars. While I may not agree with some of your picks, I also understand that these are largely subjective opinions and thus as seen by some of the response, many wont necessarily agree with them.
However, you have offered some excellent insight and at the very least brought some attention to many cars that don't get a lot of attention. 👍
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Could we see a convertible shoot-out soon?
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I don't know what you've been drinking, but I'd like to know how on earth you could make RX-7 handle worse than overweight, asthmatic camaro..
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Sorry to disappoint, but that's not too high on my favourites list either.G_M(Now expecting a long rant from Dark Elite since I did not include the legenday Mazda 111S in the lists).
I agree with Leo's disagreement (make sense?
) about the RX-7, though, you have two reasons against it so you should probably drop the blatantly untrue comment about it's handling 
And please spell bargain correctly in the title!
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I've noticed these bargin lists are'nt very popular, I won't do anymore (not that I was going to)
I had this idea, other than always comparing cars together, I could do write ups on single cars, like they do on Top Gear.
Any thoughts about that?
Seriously George how many times does the correct spelling have to be pointed out to you?
As far as moving the thread on I would like to see more detail in each of the report, so a move to looking at a single car may well be a good move.
I would suggest running the car at a range of (set) locations to give a view of the car in different conditions, for example you could use El Capitan as a 'road section' and Tsukuba or Grand Valley as a 'test track'. This would then help to provide a Top Gear approach to the tests, I would also suggest keeping the same tracks, as this would help to compare different cars on a like for like basis.
Regards
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Single car review, Mercedes E55 AMG
Power.
Bhp - 469.
Torque - 516.36 Ft.Lbs.
Max Speed - 190 Mph.
Accelration.
0-30 Mph - 2.120 Seconds (First Gear).
0-60 Mph - 5.000 Seconds (Second Gear).
0-100 Mph - 10.700 Seconds (Third Gear).
400 Meters - 13.425 Seconds.
Engine.
Engine - V8:SOHC.
Displacement - 5438cc.
Dimensions And Weight.
Length - 4580cm (4.5 Meters).
Width - 1820cm (1.8 Meters).
Height - 1430cm (1.4 Meters).
Mass - 1910 Kg (1.9 Tons).
Pricing.
To Buy - 105,330.
To Sell - 22,382.
Transmission - 5 Speed.
Drivetrain - FR.
Trail Mountain Laps.
1 - 1'42.219
2 - 1'41.743
3 - 1'41.256
4 - 1'41.832
5 - 1'40.926
Safe Corner Speeds In The Mercedes E55 AMG At Trail Mountain.
Esses - The Esses at the start can be taken safely at 100-105 Mph.
Left - The left turn after the esses can be taken at 110 Mph.
Tunnel - The Tunnel can be taken at 60 Mph.
Hard Right - The Square Right after the tunnel can be taken safely at 55 Mph.
Light Right - The Light Right before the back straight is safe at 85 Mph.
Straight Left - The left entering the straight can be taken at 75 Mph.
Left After Straight - The left exiting the straight can be taken at 65 Mph.
Square Hard Left - The hard square left turn just beofre T3 can be taken at 55 Mph.
Corner Before Chicane - The right turn before the chicane can be taken at 60 Mph.
Chicane - The chicane can safely be taken at speeds of 100 Mph.
Please note this is how I took the corners, in the Mercedes E55 AMG.
Handling.
Understeer.
Understeer on the E55 occours mostly in hard square corners, when accelrating out of them, understeer also occours quite often on longer corners, the Mercedes has well over 400 Bhp and over 500 Ft.Lbs of torque in the engine which is placed infront of the driver, so I was'nt that surprised when I ended up off the track a few times while practising.
Braking From High Speeds.
For this test I used the Test Course, I driven the Mercedes to 180 Mph, then braked hard and started turning left and right.
I found there was absolutely no skidding or sliding when I turned, I did this 3 times to make sure, there was still no sliding, overall, the handling when braking hard is very good.
Brakes.
0-60-0 Mph - 6.680 Seconds.
0-100-0 Mph - 14.140 Seconds.
0-160-0 Mph - 36.760 Seconds.
On the track, the brakes don't feel amazing, but at the Test Course tests, they seemed to feel slightly better.
The brakes are average, they could be much better, but they could also be much worse.
How It Feels To Drive.
At speed the Mercedes feels like a supercar, reaching speeds well over 180 Mph but not loosing control.
On tracks such as Nurburgring, it feels very heavy around most tight corners, this is becuase it weighs over 1900kg, the accelration is about average for a 500 Bhp super salloon.
Theres nothing paticulary 'fun' about the E55, but still, I like the car lots, I like the kind of 'sporty' look at the front, I like the engine sound, the Mercedes E55 is a very likable car in many ways, but then, many people could dislike it for it's weight, and the fact it's heavy around corners.
Overall, the Mercedes E55 is by far my favourite Mercedes on Gran Turismo 4, I reccomend it to compete in events such as Schwartzwald Liga B and Pan Euro Championship.
Styling.
Looking at the E55 AMG for a second, you'd think it looks like any other Mercedes, long wheelbase, with the same 5 spoke Mercedes wheels, but if you look at it for longer in more detail, you start to notice things such as the slightly flared wheelarches, and the lip above the rear exhausts.
Those are the small things, the small things that make it unique, the things that make me love it.
Like nearly all modern Mercedes, it has the double lights at each side, it also has smaller lights on a front lip.
Thanks for reading.
Power.
Bhp - 469.
Torque - 516.36 Ft.Lbs.
Max Speed - 190 Mph.
Accelration.
0-30 Mph - 2.120 Seconds (First Gear).
0-60 Mph - 5.000 Seconds (Second Gear).
0-100 Mph - 10.700 Seconds (Third Gear).
400 Meters - 13.425 Seconds.
Engine.
Engine - V8:SOHC.
Displacement - 5438cc.
Dimensions And Weight.
Length - 4580cm (4.5 Meters).
Width - 1820cm (1.8 Meters).
Height - 1430cm (1.4 Meters).
Mass - 1910 Kg (1.9 Tons).
Pricing.
To Buy - 105,330.
To Sell - 22,382.
Transmission - 5 Speed.
Drivetrain - FR.
Trail Mountain Laps.
1 - 1'42.219
2 - 1'41.743
3 - 1'41.256
4 - 1'41.832
5 - 1'40.926
Safe Corner Speeds In The Mercedes E55 AMG At Trail Mountain.
Esses - The Esses at the start can be taken safely at 100-105 Mph.
Left - The left turn after the esses can be taken at 110 Mph.
Tunnel - The Tunnel can be taken at 60 Mph.
Hard Right - The Square Right after the tunnel can be taken safely at 55 Mph.
Light Right - The Light Right before the back straight is safe at 85 Mph.
Straight Left - The left entering the straight can be taken at 75 Mph.
Left After Straight - The left exiting the straight can be taken at 65 Mph.
Square Hard Left - The hard square left turn just beofre T3 can be taken at 55 Mph.
Corner Before Chicane - The right turn before the chicane can be taken at 60 Mph.
Chicane - The chicane can safely be taken at speeds of 100 Mph.
Please note this is how I took the corners, in the Mercedes E55 AMG.
Handling.
Understeer.
Understeer on the E55 occours mostly in hard square corners, when accelrating out of them, understeer also occours quite often on longer corners, the Mercedes has well over 400 Bhp and over 500 Ft.Lbs of torque in the engine which is placed infront of the driver, so I was'nt that surprised when I ended up off the track a few times while practising.
Braking From High Speeds.
For this test I used the Test Course, I driven the Mercedes to 180 Mph, then braked hard and started turning left and right.
I found there was absolutely no skidding or sliding when I turned, I did this 3 times to make sure, there was still no sliding, overall, the handling when braking hard is very good.
Brakes.
0-60-0 Mph - 6.680 Seconds.
0-100-0 Mph - 14.140 Seconds.
0-160-0 Mph - 36.760 Seconds.
On the track, the brakes don't feel amazing, but at the Test Course tests, they seemed to feel slightly better.
The brakes are average, they could be much better, but they could also be much worse.
How It Feels To Drive.
At speed the Mercedes feels like a supercar, reaching speeds well over 180 Mph but not loosing control.
On tracks such as Nurburgring, it feels very heavy around most tight corners, this is becuase it weighs over 1900kg, the accelration is about average for a 500 Bhp super salloon.
Theres nothing paticulary 'fun' about the E55, but still, I like the car lots, I like the kind of 'sporty' look at the front, I like the engine sound, the Mercedes E55 is a very likable car in many ways, but then, many people could dislike it for it's weight, and the fact it's heavy around corners.
Overall, the Mercedes E55 is by far my favourite Mercedes on Gran Turismo 4, I reccomend it to compete in events such as Schwartzwald Liga B and Pan Euro Championship.
Styling.
Looking at the E55 AMG for a second, you'd think it looks like any other Mercedes, long wheelbase, with the same 5 spoke Mercedes wheels, but if you look at it for longer in more detail, you start to notice things such as the slightly flared wheelarches, and the lip above the rear exhausts.
Those are the small things, the small things that make it unique, the things that make me love it.
Like nearly all modern Mercedes, it has the double lights at each side, it also has smaller lights on a front lip.
Thanks for reading.
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A neat review, the 'corner speeds' section is something I haven't seen in a car review before but it might well be useful, as many people seem to notice what speed they take certain corners at much more than, for example, T-times. Perhaps, though, a little more in the way of 'feel' and emotion rather than just statistics? I'd like to read about how the car makes you feel, whether it's fun to drive, feels faster or slower than it is, and so on as well as whether it's easy to drive.
Just some pointers for the next tracks you do, this is a good effort.
DE
Just some pointers for the next tracks you do, this is a good effort.
DE
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Its getting better, in terms of the write-up itself I would suggest reading a few of the better car mags and look to develop a style of your own, as at present its a bit cold and factual.
For me some of the best automotive writing is in Evo, so if you can pick up a copy that should give you a good idea.
Here is a sample of writing (not from Evo - its before Evo even started) from one of the greatest motoring writers ever (now sadly no longer with us).
Russell Bulgin on the Lotus Carlton
Or you could look at some of my (far inferior) attempts in the now dormant BESTuners thread.
Scaff's TVR Speed 12 write-up
In terms of presentation, first off use of a spell-check is a must if you are putting a write-up together, something like Word makes it very easy, but even now the google tool bar can be used as a basic spell checker.
Also try and avoid using the centre-justify for the entire piece, it just makes it difficult to read.
It is however getting much. much better; so keep going 👍
Regards
Scaff
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Scaff - I loved that Ginetta article, reminds me of the articles I read in the Classic Car and Octane magazines. Very nice
Thanks for that guys, means a lot and I do miss having the time to put together write-ups like that.
Maybe when the TT tuning guide is finished I will have to start again.
Ta
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George, please take note and use a spell checker, I've pointed out to you before how to use apostrophes properly, between the "N" and "T" in words like don't and hasn't, not as you insist on typing was'nt and ca'nt.
As a native English speaker yourself it has to be pretty embarassing having spelling mistakes pointed out over and over by non-native speakers, such as Austrians, Israelis, Japanese and Dutch, all of whose posts on the previous pages can put some of your posts to shame.
This isn't a good excuse, there's a wealth of resources out there to assist you, dictionaries, spell checkers, or simply paying attention in English class!
I'm sorry if this sounds a little harsh,
, but it's been pointed out to you tonnes of times before and we'd like to see a little improvement, honestly, it'll help you in your future presentations, not just here, but in real life too if you can come across as slightly more literate. My suggestion is this, next time you create a post, before you hit "Submit Reply" copy & paste your text into "Word" and hit F7 to check spelling & grammar. 👍
I hope this helps and you won't take offense. PM me if necessary.
Your posts here are otherwise good and informative, so a little extra work to get them more accurate spelling-wise would make them excellent.
As a native English speaker yourself it has to be pretty embarassing having spelling mistakes pointed out over and over by non-native speakers, such as Austrians, Israelis, Japanese and Dutch, all of whose posts on the previous pages can put some of your posts to shame.
Sorry Scaff, there are just some words I get used to spelling the wrong way
This isn't a good excuse, there's a wealth of resources out there to assist you, dictionaries, spell checkers, or simply paying attention in English class!
I'm sorry if this sounds a little harsh,
, but it's been pointed out to you tonnes of times before and we'd like to see a little improvement, honestly, it'll help you in your future presentations, not just here, but in real life too if you can come across as slightly more literate. My suggestion is this, next time you create a post, before you hit "Submit Reply" copy & paste your text into "Word" and hit F7 to check spelling & grammar. 👍 I hope this helps and you won't take offense.
PM me if necessary.Your posts here are otherwise good and informative, so a little extra work to get them more accurate spelling-wise would make them excellent.
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With the amount of Top Gear I read, maybe you'd like my reviewsScaff
But back on-topic, George, the 'feel of the car' section is, as Scaff says, a little devoid of feeling!
I can't really tell you how to evoke emotion from text, but keep at it and you will develop a style for it.DE
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I'm going to say this report is finished, when I make my second, I'll defiantly spend more time over sections such as 'Feel Of The Car' since I bought a Top Gear magazine the day after Scaff recommended it.
Somone give me a car to test, only road cars though please (no tuner cars, this includes Buick Special).
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Somone give me a car to test, only road cars though please (no tuner cars, this includes Buick Special).
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Dodge Charger 440 R/T
Maybe it's to appear alongside a certain competition on these forums...
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Maybe it's to appear alongside a certain competition on these forums...
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I knowGeorge
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the Charger isn't hard........i like it and love it 👍
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