Give us Moza!

[Haitauer]

I put this thread in Gran Turismo 7 section for a reason. I think the industry needs to understand Moza is long overdue on Playstation and thus GT7. At the moment Moza is a formidable brand in sim-racing, and it is just too big, popular and advanced to be ignored by the playstation side of the industry. I know Sony is trying to protect its partners, but Moza is getting just too popular to be silenced. We need either playstation compatible base or a direct drive based converter like Sigma Cortex.

We have one of the best known names in simracing and Gran Turismo - Jimmy Broadbend, supporting Moza. Why is the industry still ignoring the customers?

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

Is this a petition? Do we have to put our names and addresses, or are "yay" and "nay" sufficient?

Or do you want an answer to "why is the industry still ignoring the customers"? If it's this last one - they're not. Moza decided to make wheels that aren't compatible with the PS5 straight out of the box. Sony and the industry didn't make that decision for them.

Each console has different architecture, different requirements for inputs to align with. If other manufacturers can make their wheels work on Xbox, PlayStation and PC, but Moza can't, that's on Moza.

Moza makes wheels for PC. That is the market they choose to sell to. Other companies make adapters to make those wheels work on console. Not sure why you think anyone is ignoring the customers.

 

[Mafio]

We have one of the best known names in simracing and Gran Turismo - Jimmy Broadbend, supporting Moza. Why is the industry still ignoring the customers?

Because in the grand universe of gaming, you're talking about a extremely small, niche group of people. It just might not be profitable at this time, once you account for development cost ect.

 

[jonoholland29]

Never heard of them before... I thought you'd misspelt Monza and hadn't realised it was already in the game

 

[AmyUD06]

It sounds like your complaint is with the company, who doesn't manufacture natiely-PS-compatible products. What that has to do with Gran Turismo, let alone gtplanet, is beyond me.

 

[Lomic]

It sounds like your complaint is with the company, who doesn't manufacture natiely-PS-compatible products. What that has to do with Gran Turismo, let alone gtplanet, is beyond me.

Not sure it is 100% on Moza, to be compatible a wheelbase must include a licensed Sony security chip. Maybe Sony has partnership agreements with Logitech, Fanatec and Thrustmaster that Moza was unable to access too.

There are workarounds but we can't know for sure why Moza does not offer something for PS.

Maybe they don't want to be on this market, maybe Sony won't let them, or any other reason.

 

[RobertHammer]

Sure , why not but from what i remember Moza isnt officially compatible with PS5 - so far they got PC and Xbox wheel bases

 

[Haitauer]

Is this a petition? Do we have to put our names and addresses, or are "yay" and "nay" sufficient?

Or do you want an answer to "why is the industry still ignoring the customers"? If it's this last one - they're not. Moza decided to make wheels that aren't compatible with the PS5 straight out of the box. Sony and the industry didn't make that decision for them.

Each console has different architecture, different requirements for inputs to align with. If other manufacturers can make their wheels work on Xbox, PlayStation and PC, but Moza can't, that's on Moza.

Moza makes wheels for PC. That is the market they choose to sell to. Other companies make adapters to make those wheels work on console. Not sure why you think anyone is ignoring the customers.

At this point I'm not entirely sure that is true. Yes - after 20+ years of experience I'm very aware of console requirements. But I have a strong feeling Moza would be too much of a competitor to the old brands and for that reason cant get a licensing deal with Sony. This is meant to create conversation. Yay nor nay required.

in the grand universe of gaming, you're talking about a extremely small, niche group of people. It just might not be profitable at this time, once you account for development cost ect.

In grand gaming universe I live in Playstation isnt actually "niche group".

Never heard of them before... I thought you'd misspelt Monza and hadn't realised it was already in the game

That is kind of funny. But I guess the joke is not on me..

It sounds like your complaint is with the company, who doesn't manufacture natiely-PS-compatible products. What that has to do with Gran Turismo, let alone gtplanet, is beyond me.

Not sure it is 100% on Moza, to be compatible a wheelbase must include a licensed Sony security chip. Maybe Sony has partnership agreements with Logitech, Fanatec and Thrustmaster that Moza was unable to access too.

There are workarounds but we can't know for sure why Moza does not offer something for PS.

Maybe they don't want to be on this market, maybe Sony won't let them, or any other reason.

Exactly this. I'm pretty sure this is a case of "abuse of a dominant market position" by Sony and PDI. And what this has to do with Gran Turismo or gtplanet? Gran Turismo and Polyphony Digital just happen to be the biggest players in Playstation racing games and gtplanet is the biggest community and conversation media around Gran Turismo. I do also realize gtplanet is sponsored by Fanatec, so I dont expect raving support for Moza from the site, but my years with gtplanet have made me believe they will stay professionally neutral and they see the greater good for the simracing community in open market and competition

And I also wish Moza created something like Sigma Cortex, but I suspect that would make their negotiation for official Playstation license even more challenging. Im pretty sure its not by change that Sigma Cortex is not officially produced by Simagic but still it just happens to only support Simagic wheels - talk about niche..

Sure , why not but from what i remember Moza isnt officially compatible with PS5 - so far they got PC and Xbox wheel bases

Yes - that is the fundamental problem Im trying to change by creating this conversation. Demand creates products.

 

[RACECAR]

At this point I'm not entirely sure that is true. Yes - after 20+ years of experience I'm very aware of console requirements. But I have a strong feeling Moza would be too much of a competitor to the old brands and for that reason cant get a licensing deal with Sony. This is meant to create conversation. Yay nor nay required.

Are you even sure an attempt by Moza themselves was made to even boldly state this? Why not ask Moza directly why they don't have a compatible wheel on PS5? This bizarre assumption that Moza is being "Silenced" and "The Industry ignoring Customers" is quite the claim to make when there is a sizable lack of feasible evidence to back any of this.

 

[Famine]

I do also realize gtplanet is sponsored by Fanatec

First I've heard of it.

 

[Mafio]

In grand gaming universe I live in Playstation isnt actually "niche group".

I see..must be the 616 universe. But here in this reality...Playstation users, that play sim racers, that are willing to drop $$$ on a quality wheel is niche, my friend.

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

First I've heard of it.

Can we get some community competitions with Fanatec merch as rewards? I'm not asking for a wheel here, maybe just some tees or decals?

 

[Haitauer]

First I've heard of it.

Really? 🤔 The massive Fanatec banner on top of main page every time I open the page? I havent seen any other adds there for a long time, so its certainly not based on my cookies. I might be wrong though.

Are you even sure an attempt by Moza themselves was made to even boldly state this? Why not ask Moza directly why they don't have a compatible wheel on PS5? This bizarre assumption that Moza is being "Silenced" and "The Industry ignoring Customers" is quite the claim to make when there is a sizable lack of feasible evidence to back any of this.

To be fair this thread was created just as much towards Moza to deliver ps compatible base or ps compatible adapter like Cortex. Like I said my "statement" is a strong feeling, not a factual statement. Just my guess that there might be something fishy going on in the licensing of these products. What surpriced me is how many rather aggressive comments this thread is gathering. There is some persistend need to defend "the industry"..🤔

I see..must be the 616 universe. But here in this reality...Playstation users, that play sim racers, that are willing to drop $$$ on a quality wheel is niche, my friend.

By $$$ you must mean something else than Moza R3/R5 bundles? R5 bundle is 499$ and CSL DD Pro 5nm bundle is 699$ - there is a 200$ for licensing. I myself am looking for something around R9/R12 for playstation as I went for R9 and pc after 6 years with T-GT, T-Lcm, TSS, TH8a, few rims and Gran Turismo. So I dont know what in your mind qualifies as "dropping $$$". Playstation and GT are vastly more accessible in this universe vs PC simracing.

 

[Mafio]

Really? 🤔 The massive Fanatec banner on top of main page every time I open the page? I havent seen any other adds there for a long time, so its certainly not based on my cookies. I might be wrong though.


To be fair this thread was created just as much towards Moza to deliver ps compatible base or ps compatible adapter like Cortex. Like I said my "statement" is a strong feeling, not a factual statement. Just my guess that there might be something fishy going on in the licensing of these products. What surpriced me is how many rather aggressive comments this thread is gathering. There is some persistend need to defend "the industry"..🤔


By $$$ you must mean something else than Moza R3/R5 bundles? R5 bundle is 499$ and CSL DD Pro 5nm bundle is 699$ - there is a 200$ for licensing. I myself am looking for something around R9/R12 for playstation as I went for R9 and pc after 6 years with T-GT, T-Lcm, TSS, TH8a, few rims and Gran Turismo. So I dont know what in your mind qualifies as "dropping $$$". Playstation and GT are vastly more accessible in this universe vs PC simracing.

$499 is dropping $$$ especially when you have a real bills and mouths to feed for gaming accessory. 5-600 bucks can do a lot to a REAL car.

 

[RACECAR]

Really? 🤔 The massive Fanatec banner on top of main page every time I open the page? I havent seen any other adds there for a long time, so its certainly not based on my cookies. I might be wrong though.

As you don't appear to have Premium, I'm gonna assume its an ad and not so much a Sponsor as I usually don't see any on my end. Feel free to clarify @Famine or @Jordan as I'm not all that knowledgeable on the backend of this site.

To be fair this thread was created just as much towards Moza to deliver ps compatible base or ps compatible adapter like Cortex. Like I said my "statement" is a strong feeling, not a factual statement. Just my guess that there might be something fishy going on in the licensing of these products. What surpriced me is how many rather aggressive comments this thread is gathering. There is some persistend need to defend "the industry"..🤔

If I may enquire, what gives you such a strong feeling? I mentioned asking Moza directly because the reason may not be "The Industry" Ignoring Moza so much as Moza simply not being interested in expanding to PlayStation. Afterall, to be ignored is to imply that Moza have expressed interest AND intent in doing so only to have both met with a non-answer.

 

[jonoholland29]

Ads are likely cookie specific - I've never seen any Fanatic ads. Mine are mostly Ikea at the moment

 

[Jordan]

Really? 🤔 The massive Fanatec banner on top of main page every time I open the page? I havent seen any other adds there for a long time, so its certainly not based on my cookies. I might be wrong though.

It's just a banner with an affiliate link (we're a Moza affiliate too). GTPlanet is not "sponsored" by Fanatec or any company.

 

[Revengel]

I see..must be the 616 universe. But here in this reality...Playstation users, that play sim racers, that are willing to drop $$$ on a quality wheel is niche, my friend.

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