Global Warming/Climate Change Discussion Thread
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So lack of humans makes the earth normal? So what would lack of other animals do.... make the earth even more normal?
Why don't you lead by example and do your best not to 'pump greenhouse crap' into the atmosphere....... *Your que to switch off your computer*
It would be great if the sea came closer, especially with all the warming that is supposed to be happening I will be closer to the sea to swim and cool down, and my house will have an even better seaview and rise in value.... Woo bring it on.
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- GTP_Grand_Prix
It's not going to be a huge tidal wave that will kill everyone without notice. Even if the exaggerated reports of global warming are true, what makes you think all of the ice on land is going to melt at once? Is anyone stupid enough to actually stay in their house by the coast when the tide creeps up every year?
KSaiyu
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Being at the Race of Champions depressed me for a few minutes.
Hearing the Focus with Anti Lag - great.
Hearing the Quattro with it's 80's soundtrack - magic.
Hearing the Toro Rosso and RBR F1 cars - unbelievable
Hearing the car that won the 2007 Le Mans....
So as I sat there in the cold, I realised, it may only get worse.
Hearing the Focus with Anti Lag - great.
Hearing the Quattro with it's 80's soundtrack - magic.
Hearing the Toro Rosso and RBR F1 cars - unbelievable
Hearing the car that won the 2007 Le Mans....
So as I sat there in the cold, I realised, it may only get worse.
- 2,683
- Knoxville, Tennessee
I worry about the future of performance and race cars with all this hype over global warming. Even now cars as we know them are dying, just look at all the little electric space pod looking cars at this past Tokyo auto show. And as far as I can tell no matter how much we cut vehicle emissions things on this planet will continue to change. Nothing is permanent on Earth. We will just have to adapt like always. Humans are fairly intelligent animals after all, plus we have adapted to various situations before, so what is stopping us now?
Also, as it stands there is no way to make completely "clean" aircraft, considering electric propulsion cannot meet the power to weight ratio that larger aircraft need, especially commercial planes. One CF6 turbofan from a 747 engine can put out 50,000 hp when used in ground/sea applications. The version on the 747 makes 60,000 lbs of thrust for some models. Lets see any kind of non polluting power source do that in our lifetimes. About the only thing you can do with aircraft is lower fuel consumption (which is always being done) or change the fuels they burn. Jet engines aren't as picky about fuels as piston engines are
Also, as it stands there is no way to make completely "clean" aircraft, considering electric propulsion cannot meet the power to weight ratio that larger aircraft need, especially commercial planes. One CF6 turbofan from a 747 engine can put out 50,000 hp when used in ground/sea applications. The version on the 747 makes 60,000 lbs of thrust for some models. Lets see any kind of non polluting power source do that in our lifetimes. About the only thing you can do with aircraft is lower fuel consumption (which is always being done) or change the fuels they burn. Jet engines aren't as picky about fuels as piston engines are
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Be glad you aren't in the European Union.
All new cars manufactured for sale in the European Union must emit no more than 120 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometre before 2012.
No, you didn't read that wrong.
Here's some examples of reasonably performing cars and their carbon dioxide emissions:
2007 BMW M3 Coupe - 295g/km DEAD BY 2011
2005 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 358g/km DEAD BY 2011
2004 Porsche Boxster 2.7 - 222g/km DEAD BY 2011
2008 Jaguar XF 2.7d - 199g/km DEAD BY 2011
Let's go slower:
2005 Mazda MX-5 1.8 - 174g/km DEAD BY 2011
2005 Ford Fiesta ST 2.0 - 177g/km DEAD BY 2011
2007 Vauxhall Corsa VXR - 190g/km DEAD BY 2011
In fact, here's a list of all the current European-manufacturer cars which won't be dead by 2011:
Petrol
Peugeot 107 - 109g/km
Smart ForTwo - 113g/km (51hp)/120g/km (61hp)
Vauxhall Corsa 1.0 - 115g/km
Diesel
Citroen C1 1.3
Citroen C2 1.4 - 113g/km
Citroen C3 1.4/1.6 - 115g/km & 120g/km
Citroen C4 1.6 - 120g/km
FIAT Panda 1.2 - 114g/km
FIAT Punto 1.2 - 119g/km
Ford Fiesta 1.4/1.6 - 119g/km & 116g/km
Ford Fusion 1.4/1.6 - 119g/km
Mini Cooper D - 118g/km
Peugeot 207 1.4/1.6 - 120g/km
Renault Clio 1.4 - 115g/km
Renault Megane 1.5 - 120g/km
Renault Modus 1.5 - 120g/km
Skoda Fabia 1.4 - 120g/km
Vauxhall Corsa 1.2/1.3 - 115g/km & 119g/km
VW Polo 1.4 - 119g/km
Welcome to European driving nirvana folks - no Porsche, Ferrari, TVR, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo, Audi, Noble, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Brabus, Ruf, Ascari, Ariel, Maserati, Koenigsegg, Lamborghini or Lotus, but a huge fleet of diesel hatchbacks. Nothing else will be legal.
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Don't worry, I'm sure Ferrari has more legal power than the European Union by themselves to challenge the mandate, never mind the rest of the sports car manufacturers that are sentenced to death by it. I cannot imagine a Ferrari electric or diesel. It's impossible. They would have to move to North America if that happened.
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I doubt those limits will actually go into affect by 2011, how can they make a law saying that a car can only emit Xg of CO2 per kilometre while it would ruin dozens of car manufacturers?
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Because they're hippies who don't care about car manufacturers, since all of them conspired to kill the electric car, supposedly.
I dunno if if this is possible or not, but I've seen some weird stuff happen in my life. Like the Vancouver Champ Cars race being kicked out, for instance.
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I hate electric cars.....very little mechanisms that go into making it work......
I think that mandate won't happend,the European Automotive Justice League of Ferrari,Aston Martin,TVR, BMW,and friends won't let the Legion of Doom Win.
The good guys always win........right?
If there is a possible way of making a hydrogen powered car whose engine runs like an internat combustion,I would become happy( excuse me, for my lack of knowledge, I know very little of how a hydrogen car functions)
I think that mandate won't happend,the European Automotive Justice League of Ferrari,Aston Martin,TVR, BMW,and friends won't let the Legion of Doom Win.
The good guys always win........right?
If there is a possible way of making a hydrogen powered car whose engine runs like an internat combustion,I would become happy( excuse me, for my lack of knowledge, I know very little of how a hydrogen car functions)
Year.Zero
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I've been known to be wrong - like when I decided a forearm smash across the table was a great idea and nearly ended up blinding a friend...
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I've overegged it a smidge - they won't be dead, but they will be fined (by whom? Who knows...).
This is how the fines work:
1. Work out the average of the rated carbons of every individual model sold by a manufacturer.
2. Take off 120g/km
3. Multiply by the total sales figures of the car.
4. Multiply by £14.35 (this is the fine per gram in excess of 120g/km per car).
So, say Famine Fast Fleet sells 87 cars at an average of 278g/km in 2012. I would be fined £197,255.10 ({[278-120]*87}*£14.35) - or I'd put £2,267 onto the sticker price of all of my cars. Call it £2,500 and make a bit of profit in there too.
Imagine the fines if you're Ferrari or Porsche and sell lots of highly-carboned cars. Imagine the fines if you're Ford and sell staggering amounts of just-over-the-limit cars. Now imagine you're a car buyer and the costs which have been passed onto you.
Personally, I'd buy something older. And hence more "polluting".
This is how the fines work:
1. Work out the average of the rated carbons of every individual model sold by a manufacturer.
2. Take off 120g/km
3. Multiply by the total sales figures of the car.
4. Multiply by £14.35 (this is the fine per gram in excess of 120g/km per car).
So, say Famine Fast Fleet sells 87 cars at an average of 278g/km in 2012. I would be fined £197,255.10 ({[278-120]*87}*£14.35) - or I'd put £2,267 onto the sticker price of all of my cars. Call it £2,500 and make a bit of profit in there too.
Imagine the fines if you're Ferrari or Porsche and sell lots of highly-carboned cars. Imagine the fines if you're Ford and sell staggering amounts of just-over-the-limit cars. Now imagine you're a car buyer and the costs which have been passed onto you.
Personally, I'd buy something older. And hence more "polluting".
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Fining companies like that is pointless, like when fining supermarkets for price fixing, or banks etc. Those companies don't pay anything, we, the consumer do.
Farce.
The idea itself could work, but that target is lower than the best limbo dancer could go.
Farce.
The idea itself could work, but that target is lower than the best limbo dancer could go.
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Methinks the dwindling of easily extractable pre-existing hydrocarbon fuel sources will limit our choices much faster than some ninny-nanny legislation.
But who cares? Give me anything with four wheels and the possibility of acquainting myself with the nearest hedge (be it by pedal power, electric power or a methane pump stuck up my behind) and I'll be happy.
But who cares? Give me anything with four wheels and the possibility of acquainting myself with the nearest hedge (be it by pedal power, electric power or a methane pump stuck up my behind) and I'll be happy.
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