GM Kappa News (Solstice, Sky)

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The Kappa is a parts-bin platform, so the interior shouldn't be amazing, or even good.

The Kappa's true accomplishments are its handling, its poise, and the fact that it's a cheap, compact, RWD roadster that came from GM -- something no one would have expected before the Kappa was announced for production. :D
 
Well, the Sky is indeed better than the Solstice, but I wouldnt go out and say that it is better than a MX-5's interior or anything like that...

But for about $20K-25K, I'd say that they are some of the best deals you can get on a brand-new car, esp. when compared to the now overpriced MX-5.
 
Not to mention, the Solstice is a really pretty little car in person, as is the Sky.

I love the whole 3/4th's scale vette thing going on with that Saturn.
 
Onikaze
Not to mention, the Solstice is a really pretty little car in person, as is the Sky.

I love the whole 3/4th's scale vette thing going on with that Saturn.


I don't know if I'd describe the Sky as a "Pretty little car." I mean its 4" longer than a Miata, 4" wider than a Miata, and yep, you guessed it, the wheelbase is 4" longer as well.

On top of that, it can get to be 600lbs more than a Miata.

I think one of the first things going through my head when saw it in person, was wow, thats surprisingly not a 'cute little saturn' as I've heard some people say.
 
"Cute" inst a very objective term, but I would say that it applies more to the Solstice than the Sky. The Saturn cries out "Son-of-Vette," but it is rather unfortunate that not all of the performance does the same as well.
 
YSSMAN
"Cute" inst a very objective term, but I would say that it applies more to the Solstice than the Sky. The Saturn cries out "Son-of-Vette," but it is rather unfortunate that not all of the performance does the same as well.

A Mallett Sky would. :sly:
 
Most certainly a Mallett Sky would give off Corvette performance at a Corvette's price... Hopefully they get the tuning right on the Sky Red Line and Solstice GXP. The extra 90HP should make things interesting, so heres to having the right suspension as well!
 
I didn't mean "pretty little, car" I meant "pretty, little, car"

In this land of lard asses and SUV's, the Sky and Solstice are wee.
 
Pricing has finially been announced on the Solstice GXP:

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Pontiac has announced pricing on the 2007 Solstice GXP roadster. Introduced in January, the car has a 260 hp, 260 lb.-ft. Ecotec 2.0-liter turbo engine. The car will sell for $25,995, according to the Pontiac website. The base Solstice starts at $20,995.

I don't think $26K doesn't sound too bad for 260 BHP. How many other cars can you bay $100 per horsepower with?
 
Good move GM, that's downright affordable for such a great little car. Now I hope the Sky won't be too much more, Saturn generally has better interiors vs Pontiac/Buick/Chevy/Oldsmobile I've noticed. I would seriously consider getting a Sky if I got approved for a loan where the monthly payments aren't over $350/mo--probably not going to happen.

P.S. I'm pretty much convinced on getting a Mustang GT or older Cobra. Unless something spectacular happens in the next 6-9 months. If GM wants my business they need to earn it. :sly:
 
The Saturn Sky Redline, I would presume, would only start at about $3500 more than the Solstice GXP. But, the Sky RL will probably be a bit slower, and a bit more tame in everyday driving situations.
 
YSSMAN
The Saturn Sky Redline, I would presume, would only start at about $3500 more than the Solstice GXP. But, the Sky RL will probably be a bit slower, and a bit more tame in everyday driving situations.

WTF? I hope you are wrong...the Sky looks lightyears better. Why would GM make it SLOWER? I'd accept the +$3500 price hike if it was spent on the interior quality and ammenities. If GM makes the SKY RL slower than the Solstice GXP I'm going to further dislike GM. Sometimes GM's sanity level is just too far in the "insane" area...you'd have to agree with me on that at least.
 
The only reason why the Sky RL would be slower than the Sosltice GXP is because of the presumably lower damping rates and other suspension bits that have been tuned agressively, but not to the racer status that the GXP requires.

Mind you, the regular-grade Sky isn't that much slower than the regular-grade Solstice, but generally speaking, the Sky has a better balance of ride and handeling, despite the more agressive looks. Most of that $3500 boost in price differences is going to come from the better leather seats, better stero equipment, etc.

I'm really not sure how to explain GM's reasoning in the best way, but I can attempt to do so...

GM is hoping that Saturn can play as a multi-purpose company covering all aspects of the different lineups from the assorted companies. However, Saturn must balance the youthful attitude that the brand has carried for more than 10 years, while at the same time becoming more sophisticated to meet the demands of their origional customers. If you could attempt to get yourself into the mindset of a 30 year old person, that might give a clue to what they are doing.

...Saturn has said that they want to be like the "Apple" of the automotive industry, offering high-class yet affordable products that are trendy to folks young and old. Thus the Sky would be as an iPod, not as rugged as say an iRiver or whatever (like the Solstice), but clean and easy to use that would be for the more sophisticated man or woman. Thus, the suspension has been softened up just a bit, offering up some fun when needed, but plenty of comfort otherwise.
 
Great point(s), but I am almost 30 so I can safely put myself into that catagory. But that's probably unfair because I'm way more of an enthusiast than a typical 30-something. At least if it's only things like the suspention that can be easily and rather affordably solved with aftermarket purchases. 👍 Anyway, you did make a good case on GM's reasoning I think. But I still thing they need to try and appeal more to the tuner crowd with more than the Cobalt.
 
Give it time. GM isn't the fastest company on it's feet, but it looks as though they are going to start attacking the import crowd a bit more later on.

Leftlanenews.com as well as Top Gear had mentioned the fact that the new-ish Astra is probably on the way to the US as the Ion's replacement for 2008, but nothing has been offically confirmed as of yet. Given the car's solid reputation in Europe, the car should be great in the US as an entry-level car, and quite possibly as a tuner as well, assuming the VXR comes here as a new Red Line model.

If Saturn can become the American arm of the Opel/Vauxhall/Holden (minus the VE cars) line, chances are they will be successful at appealing to a wide range of folks from the kiddies my age (19) to the older folks (40s) who are looking for affordable, fun to drive cars.

...Damn, it just dawned on me...

Maybe another good example of what Saturn is trying to do would be to look at the Volkswagen line compared to say that of Honda or Toyota. Although they are priced somewhat similarly, Volkswagen offers a more "grown-up" feel to the cars and trucks, thus Saturn hopes to capture that idea and put it through some American/European grooming, and re-launch the brand.
 
YSSMAN
Maybe another good example of what Saturn is trying to do would be to look at the Volkswagen line compared to say that of Honda or Toyota. Although they are priced somewhat similarly, Volkswagen offers a more "grown-up" feel to the cars and trucks, thus Saturn hopes to capture that idea and put it through some American/European grooming, and re-launch the brand.

This is not only how I feel but I feel it's 100% correct. VW's a sort of sporty luxury car for the youth...well deserved I might add. I will tell you this, if GM basically rebadges Holdens/Opels/Vauxhalls as Saturns I will be absolutely THRILLED. That would be a GREAT move for GM. The one thing that GM should do is bring over the Astra hot hatch as either a Pontiac or Saturn...hell I might even be tempted to buy a VXR model. That's the one segment that GM desperately needs to get into is the hot hatch war. DC just got it's toe dipped in with the Calibur (horrible car I personally think) and of course Ford has (duh) the Focus...the Astra hatch would sell well in the US if GM did it's research into WHY the youth want hot hatches. You know it irritates me that GM is so close to domination but they just don't take that step. I used to be a GM guy more than a Ford guy but after 10+ years of crap from GM turned me away.
 
Well, your wish is quasi-granted. With the Aura essentially being the same as the Vectra, and the next-gen VUE essentially being the Antara, the only thing left is to get the Astra here.

Chances are, the cars would sell very well. Added to that, importing the Opels would give GM a chance to re-introduce Diesel power in the US (as they have said they wish to do so by 2010), and help grow the hybrid lineup as well.

...The best evidence I can give of that is the fact that GM had the Astra at the last Detroit auto show, but they really didn't give a specific purpose to the display.
 
Was it a VXR? If so do you have pics? And if so can you please post them? And if so I would be happy to see them. :sly:
 
My bad, it was at the 2005 Detroit Show that GM debuted the Opel Astra Diesel Hybrid car...

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They hoped to test the waters for both diesel power, and the addition of hybrid technology to it as well. I also presume they were checking to see how well the design went over with the crowd as well...
 
Yesterday I went past a Holden dealer and they had a Astra Turbo Diesel (Astra CDTi Diesel), I didn't even know they were going to sell diesel Astra's here, might see that Hybrid diesel version introduced in the future . Now a diesel Commodore is rumoured with Zeta based VE Commodore (I was expecting that).


I also noticed Holden is also selling Astra turbo Coupes now called "Astra SRi Turbo Coupe", previously only turbo Astras were just HSV VXR's.
 
YSSMAN
How many other cars can you bay $100 per horsepower with?

MazdaSpeed6 - $102/hp
Honda Civic Si - $100/hp
Hyundai Elantra GLS Sedan - $100/hp :lol:
Nissan 350Z - $93/hp
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT - $91/hp
Ford Mustang - $83/hp
Dodge Charger SRT-8 - $82/hp

To name a few... ;)
 
I'd say the Astra I'm most eager to see here comes from the Vauxhall arm. They have titled it the "Panorama," given for the extended windshield that extends further twards the back of the car, thus negating the need for a moonroof, ala Mazda MX3 concept (was that the offical name? It was that sportscar thingy that we kept blabbering about at the start of the year...)

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Kabura.

Likely it will either carry the MX-3 name, or possibly MX-4/RX-4. I only guess RX-4 as Mazda said they will not be resurrecting any old RX names at the moment, and there wasn't an RX-4 yet, was there?
 
Ohhh yeah, there was an RX-4. Apparently only the Aussies had them...

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Onikaze
...there wasn't an RX-4 yet, was there?

The only RX that never came to be was the RX-6 -- rumors speculate that the name was simply too awkward to pronounce. :lol: ...however, Mazda did produce the MX-6.

There was never an RX-1, either, although the Mazda Cosmo would be a prime candidate for the name.
 
Dude that Astra is ****ing sweet. I'm loving the windscreen. I'd own one of these if it's got the VXR drivetrain. 👍 This is the kind of thing GM needs to do more of...something different...something COOL.
 
Yeah we in Australia got R100, RX2,3,4,5,7,8. My grandfather owned a RX4 coupe in the late 70's but sold it for a Holden Statesman. He still has the Statesman and its still like new, too bad he didn't keep the RX4. :(

Onikaze
Hmmm, there was an RX-5?

I'll have to look for that.

Yep RX5, only 2000 sold in Australia so a genuine one is pretty rare. (not sure about overseas)

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BTW That RX4 YSSMAN posted is modified with bonnet/hood scoops, wing and obviously the wheels, they are not standard.
 
Well, since RX-4 and RX-5 were Oz only, and RX-3 hasn't been around for ages, either of those seem viable to me.

Course, I haven't heard any positive news suggesting that the Kabura is even likely to be produced, yet.
 
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