GM to phase out Saturn, Penske walks away

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That is why they spent billions upon billions of dollars making Saturn out to be different. They had their own engineers, their own ads and their own assembly plants. As a result, they had their own (very brand loyal) customers. For all intents and purposes, they were only part of GM because GM paid the bills.

Yes, but why create an entirely new company to sell that car? Saturn required not just a new car, but a new factory, new franchise, new marketing campaign, new everything. The original Saturn sedan could have been a great replacement for the Cavalier, or it could have been a new Isuzu or Suzuki or Pontiac. It didn't require the enormous and ongoing investment of a new brand to market.
 
Thing is, this is what's called an "experiment," and, under the original experimental rules, it worked extremely well. It was when Saturn was pulled into the GM fold that things started to go awry.

Fact is, GM actually had it's glory days when it's brands worked more or less independently of one another. It's an entirely illogical business model, but it worked, and it worked incredibly well, primarily because the brands didn't have to work around cheaper features from Chevrolet. Saturn ended up being the same way. It had it's own brand identity, which was lost as soon as that rebadged Cobalt started showing up in the lineup.

GM used to be a conglomerate, and it worked very well, but as soon as the gas crunch hit, they started to become a monolith. story of the century.
 
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rebadged OPELS, prower. unless there was platform sharing as usual, the last of the saturns were rebadged Opels that had the car-guy mags drooling.
 
Yes, but why create an entirely new company to sell that car? Saturn required not just a new car, but a new factory, new franchise, new marketing campaign, new everything. The original Saturn sedan could have been a great replacement for the Cavalier, or it could have been a new Isuzu or Suzuki or Pontiac. It didn't require the enormous and ongoing investment of a new brand to market.

Lets look at this in the historical perspective:

Back in the mid-1980's, GM was in the middle of an identity crisis. Not only were they losing significant ground to Ford and Chrysler based on their lack of fuel-efficient, and otherwise "reliable" cars and trucks, they had the Japanese automakers to worry about as well. After nearly two decades of being asleep at the wheel, at the very least, company leadership decided to at least drive with the eyelids half-open by starting the Saturn brand. It was a direct response to the threat of Honda, GM looking at new ways to lure in buyers who were younger, more concerned about fuel economy and dependability, and not looking to get haggled at a regular dealer. By the time the first cars showed up in the early '90s, it was a success.

The "death" of Saturn depends on your point of view. GM either gave it too much attention, or never enough to begin with. I'd argue that they should have let them do what they want, but fund it properly. There was more than 10 years of the original S-series, and then an onslaught of cost-cutting models that were shared across the board... All of which were at best "okay" at first, but lost ground significantly afterward without being updated. Ever. For anything.

A lot of people peg the death of Saturn on the L-series, but I'd say it was the Ion. Considering how successful the S-series was, and how many I still see on the road, to drop the ball that bad was something by which would not be recovered. Throw in bad marketing, the loss of the "good natured" dealers, and an increasingly mediocre product lineup, and you're going to lose sales... Lose profitability... And eventually a brand. I've spoken a lot about how much I liked the Saturn brand, about how much I liked having them as some sort of Honda/Acura competitor... But when you've got the leadership at GM trying to get Saturn to re-fill the shoes of Oldsmobile (which was a Lexus competitor), the Saturn leadership trying to go after Volkswagen, and no one in America giving a damn. Yeah. Its going to break.
 
I have always felt that Saturn was the appropriate channel for GM to push its eco-friendly offerings. I mean, the faltering brand was ready for a makeover and what better theme than the green theme?
 
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Pontiac is already dead. Have you NOT paid any attention?

Not necessarily. Pontiac will stop production in 2010.
 
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