Going Back to Quattro Roots: Your Opinions?

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Well let me start by saying I've owned several Audis. My latest being a 2012 S4. I love these cars to death. What the point of this thread is that I want a older Quattro from the 80s or 90s. What have you guys heard of these cars? You think this will be a smart purchase?
 
If by smart, you meant "worth your money in a practical sense", then no.
You're already driving a new car, it's going to last you years without having to do a more of work on it, why drive a used car now?
 
A smart purchase? In terms of giving you a peace of mind and money spending then no it's not really a smart purchase. These cars are used, means we really have no idea how the car was treated by the previous owner even if what you see there is still good looking with no accidents and such. Since it's an old car, the spare parts would cost you dearly and might be difficult to find - even more difficult since it's an Audi (at least it's the case here in my country). As the car ages, there will always be something that will haunt you like a problem after another that will also cost you more money...

If you really like the car then it's not a fault to buy it to satisfy yourself but is it 'smart'? My answer is not really...
 
Depends on what you want it for.

The Ur-Quattro has always held it's value, so good ones will be pricey. But having said that, it's likely that it would hold it's value in the short term and increase in value over time. So as a smart purchase, then yes, you are unlikely to loose any money out of the deal. As long as you buy a decent, unmolested one and keep it that way.

If you want it as a daily driver, as mentioned, it will be relatively expensive to maintain. It will also seem slow compared to modern machinery.
 
Well, it's a classic, so if you want an decent one it'll cost ya. And you want a good one. If you're keeping the S4 as a daily driver, and have some spare money, then it could be considered as a smart purchase, considering the Quattro's are going up in value, and are an investment. Just don't do a thing to it, and keep it bone stock, with original Audi parts.

If you want to replace the S4 with a Quattro, then don't. Just don't.
 
Definatly not a daily driver. When I say smart I mean at a reliabilaty standpoint. All of my newer Audis have been reliable as hell. I just am not sure with these older ones. I tried looking on the web but all of the reviews on these cars seem scattered. I am definatly willing to pay top dollar for a really good one and funds aren't really an issue. I just want one to tinker on and thrash around the track.
 
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Definatly not a daily driver. When I say smart I mean at a reliabilaty standpoint. All of my newer Audis have been reliable as hell. I just am not sure with these older ones. I tried looking on the web but all of the reviews on these cars seem scattered. I am definatly willing to pay top dollar for a really good one and funds aren't really an issue. I just want one to tinker on and thrash around the track.

AWD is quick around a track because of the trick diffs and the ability to shuffle power around. Old AWD cars have systems that are a bit... sluggish. If you want a track car, look elsewhere. You're just going to get a load of ass and understeer with an older Quattro. Not to mention that the engine will (probably) feel anemic.

If funds are no issue and you just want an AWD track toy, why not an Evo?
 
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AWD is quick around a track because of the trick diffs and the ability to shuffle power around. Old AWD cars have systems that are a bit... sluggish. If you want a track car, look elsewhere. You're just going to get a load of ass and understeer with an older Quattro. Not to mention that the engine will (probably) feel anemic.

If funds are no issue and you just want an AWD track toy, why not an Evo?

I really wanted something unique. No Miatas, Evos, STIs, ect. same old same old. It doesn't have to be AWD anyway. Just not FWD. Maybe I should just grit my teeth into a Elise.
 
There's unique because nobody knows about it, and there's unique because it just ain't great.

There's common because of hype, and there's common just because it's pretty darn good.
 
Ask others for suggestions; I know so little cars.. I know that sounded like a huge contradiction to my previous post, but I only know the cars I see, and I've seen enough Audis...
 
You're looking for a unique sports car? Honestly, it depends on where your brand loyalties are, how much money you want to spend, and how much you're willing to invest over time. The North American Quattro was outrageously rare, so not only would you be lucky to find one, you'd better be ready to pay for it. Even if you were able to find one, and purchase it, it would seem quite likely that insurance and repair rates would be ridiculously high.

A BMW M3 or Mercedes 190E 2.3/2.5-16 would be more easy to find, and quite a bit more easy to drive on a daily basis. But that's if you want to stay German.

Odd Japanese and American cars are always fun to tinker around with as well...
  • Mitsubishi Starion
  • Toyota Celica-Supra
  • Mazda MX-3 V6
  • Subaru SVX
  • Ford Mustang SVO
  • Merkur XR4Ti
  • Buick Grand National
  • GMC Syclone

If you're looking for something unique, don't be afraid to choose something truly odd. Its more fun that way.
 
I don't really have brand loyalties. I like the Celica Supra and the Starion. I was also looking at some Ford/ DeTomaso Panteras. I think one of those with some modern bits on it would be awesome! Come to think of it, I also like the M3 and 190e ideas too. The dogleg on the Merc might take some time to get used to but I can deal with that.
 
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I don't really have brand loyalties. I like the Celica Supra and the Starion. I was also looking at some Ford/ DeTomaso Panteras. I think one of those with some modern bits on it would be awesome! Come to think of it, I also like the M3 and 190e ideas too. The dogleg on the Merc might take some time to get used to but I can deal with that.

Wut?

How do you plan to buy, maintain, and even modernize a Pantera?
 
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Wut?

How do you plan to buy, maintain, and even modernize a Pantera?

Just an idea. I don't really know anything about them. I guess they suck too. Just looked at some ownership costs and the Pantera would cost me around 60,000 with all that I was thinking of doing to it and I could get a way better car for that.
 
Just an idea. I don't really know anything about them. I guess they suck too. Just looked at some ownership costs and the Pantera would cost me around 60,000 with all that I was thinking of doing to it and I could get a way better car for that.

It'll probably cost $60,000 to buy. Maintaining an Italian car from a company that's no longer with us will cost you a fortune. Besides, it'll just kill you at the track. ;)

Leave the Pantera for the fans and enthusiasts. There are plenty of better track cars out there for the money.
 
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Well I own a 1985 ur-quattro:

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See my thread for more: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=157623

Depends on what you want it for.

The Ur-Quattro has always held it's value, so good ones will be pricey. But having said that, it's likely that it would hold it's value in the short term and increase in value over time. So as a smart purchase, then yes, you are unlikely to loose any money out of the deal. As long as you buy a decent, unmolested one and keep it that way.

This is pretty much spot on.

If you want it as a daily driver, as mentioned, it will be relatively expensive to maintain. It will also seem slow compared to modern machinery.

Parts Can be expensive and some are NLA (no longer available) however there are alternatives for all of them out there and in a lot of cases these are better than original.
As for slow compared to modern cars..... thats not entirely true, though mine has had some engine work giving it 260hp instead of 200hp stock (the late 20v versions have 220hp stock). It will still hit 62mph in 6.5 seconds (stock) and go on to 150mph. Handling wise..... there is no better, even Audi admit it is still the best handling car they have ever made.


If you want a track car, look elsewhere. You're just going to get a load of ass and understeer with an older Quattro. Not to mention that the engine will (probably) feel anemic.

Not at all true, the handling is better than most modern cars, it goes where you point it no questions asked, the grip is immense:

This was a soaking wet track and was still able to lift the rear inner wheel
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I drive mine daily and never have a problem, you need to remember they were built to be trashed and last. Although you don't plan on using it as a daily, you wouldn't have a problem if you did.
 
RenoRanes007
Well I own a 1985 ur-quattro:

See my thread for more: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=157623

This is pretty much spot on.

Parts Can be expensive and some are NLA (no longer available) however there are alternatives for all of them out there and in a lot of cases these are better than original.
As for slow compared to modern cars..... thats not entirely true, though mine has had some engine work giving it 260hp instead of 200hp stock (the late 20v versions have 220hp stock). It will still hit 62mph in 6.5 seconds (stock) and go on to 150mph. Handling wise..... there is no better, even Audi admit it is still the best handling car they have ever made.

Not at all true, the handling is better than most modern cars, it goes where you point it no questions asked, the grip is immense:

This was a soaking wet track and was still able to lift the rear inner wheel

I drive mine daily and never have a problem, you need to remember they were built to be trashed and last. Although you don't plan on using it as a daily, you wouldn't have a problem if you did.

Sealed the deal right here. I was hoping for someone to say if they own or owned one. I think a white one will look very good with my white S4 on the drive way. I have found a black one and I will post a link to it when I get to my laptop. Thanks for posting here and I love your car.
 
Sealed the deal right here. I was hoping for someone to say if they own or owned one. I think a white one will look very good with my white S4 on the drive way. I have found a black one and I will post a link to it when I get to my laptop. Thanks for posting here and I love your car.

No problem :D

If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me.
 
Ok, after a little digging the car was built around 2'nd half of August 1982 in Ingolstadt.

85-D-900473, the "9" is the one that identifies a Quattro, so it is at least a real quattro and not a converted GT.

It has been messed around with a little bit, where the 3 small dials are in the centre console is where the vacuum push/pull knob or Rotary Switch for the Diff Locks should be but these could have been relocated just about anywhere.

The rear lights, reflector bar and plate recess are not original to that car, they should be the Coloured Red/Orange ones, the Black Tinted ones are from later quattros.

The Steering Wheel certainly isn't original and obviously the Wheels which are just wrong on so many levels! lol.

The mentioned Air Conditioning and Climate Control...... They never had Climate Control and as it's a Sunroof model it will not have come with Air Conditioning either, it's possible it could have an aftermarket Air Conditioning system But I cannot see it in any of the pictures.
 
Climate control is usually just heat air conditioning, not something that's necessarily all automatic.


So Audi thinks if you have a sunroof you don't need A/C? :lol:
 
Looking further into it, All US cars did have Air Conditioning but in Europe did not because it wasn't needed and was seen as an unnecessary power drain.
The bumpers are modified (5mph impact shocks have been taken out).
The Yellow Headlights are not correct.
It looks like it has been repainted (no stripes and painted top part of the lid).
The real kicker though is the dashboard that was not even available in '83! Which could also be the reason for the missing switches. this also means the electrics under the dash will all be butchered as well.

Worth $20K ?..... Certainly Not, $12K at most!
 
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Looking further into it, All US cars did have Air Conditioning but in Europe did not because it wasn't needed and was seen as an unnecessary power drain.
The bumpers are modified (5mph impact shocks have been taken out).
The Yellow Headlights are not correct.
It looks like it has been repainted (no stripes and painted top part of the lid).
The real kicker though is the dashboard that was not even available in '83! Which could also be the reason for the missing switches. this also means the electrics under the dash will all be butchered as well.

Worth $20K ?..... Certainly Not, $12K at most!

Thanks for this. I'll make sure to point out these flaws and get the best deal possible!
 
I'd run away. It's in reasonably good condition for its age, but there's the problem.

It's a 30 year old car. Stuff is worn. It's pretty much ready for a mild restoration... Add in how much non-original stuff is there, and that the original bits are nowhere to be found and yeah, run.
 
I'd run away. It's in reasonably good condition for its age, but there's the problem.

It's a 30 year old car. Stuff is worn. It's pretty much ready for a mild restoration... Add in how much non-original stuff is there, and that the original bits are nowhere to be found and yeah, run.

Agreed. Maybe this is just me, but the car looks like it was used for posing rather than driving. The exterior looks nice, but the guy is probably getting rid of it as stuff is wearing out (engine needs rebuilding, parts are wearing out)

As convincing as a hooker's smile.
 
Well I'm going to take a look at it this weekend. I was also planning a mild restoration anyway to original '83 specs. I'm planning on getting this car and have people tracking down a original dash. Also found original headlights if I can't take that yellow out. About the engine, I've heard these things are good for 200,000+ miles with appropriate maintenance. The engine is really the only thing concerning me.
 
Well I'm going to take a look at it this weekend. I was also planning a mild restoration anyway to original '83 specs. I'm planning on getting this car and have people tracking down a original dash. Also found original headlights if I can't take that yellow out. About the engine, I've heard these things are good for 200,000+ miles with appropriate maintenance. The engine is really the only thing concerning me.

The engines are pretty bullet proof, the mileage it has shouldn't be a problem. However I will type up a check list for you:

Check the VIN plate (right rear of engine bay) and the VIN number stamped in the bulkhead. The VIN plate rivets should be flat and the stamped number should be in smooth metal with no signs of welding either side of the bulkhead - lift the water shield to check the back.

Walk around the car and eyeball everything visible from the outside. Don't be afraid to use your finger on the paintwork - sometimes things that cannot be seen properly can be felt easily.

Open the bonnet and look around the engine compartment, pull the dipstick and feel the oil.

The smaller container (Clutch Fluid reservoir) on the right of the car under the windscreen wipers is always cracked but unless it's leaking then don't worry about it.

Check under the car for leaks and that the undertrays are in place on the left and right at the front.

Check along the fuel lines, paying special attention to where they pass through rubber mounting bushes at the back of the engine bay. They should be metal all the way. Then open the boot and check for water - especially under the carpet on the right - dirt and the spare tyre and toolkit. If a CD changer is fitted, has it blocked the sunroof storage slot?

While walking round, check trim, glass and panel fit. Feel the brake discs' ridges and gouges.

Open the doors and check the entry sills and lower door edges for rust or repairs, while looking over the rubber seals. Sit in both seats and check trim, seatbelts, seat runners and seat folding catch. Move your shoulders sideways and listen for squeaks in the top of the seat back - the welds sometimes crack. Check the handbrake.

From the driver's seat, touch and operate all the cabin controls and gadgets. Central locking, power windows, sunroof and boot catch. Check for leaks by feeling the carpets in all four corners. Test pedal pressure for brakes and pedal movement for clutch, listening for strange sounds. Reach up above the back of the brake pedal and feel for clutch fluid leaks. Go through the gears at rest to check shifter linkages.

Switch the ignition on and check that the proper number of warning lights illuminate - unscrupulous sellers have been known to take out bulbs warning of thousands worth of repairs.

Then check the gadgets that only work with the ignition on - lights high and low beam, dash lights and adjustment, wipers, heater, heated seats, a/c if fitted and radio. The fuel pump should NOT run.

Have the owner start the car (then it's his problem if the cambelt snaps on a stored car) while you watch the exhaust pipe. Listen to the engine warming up from cold and check the idle speeds. Tappet rattle that goes away in a few minutes is not a problem. Listen especially for exhaust leaks and ticking from manifold cracks. This can be a difficult area - it has been known for unscrupulous owners faced with the significant cost of an exhaust manifold replacement to weld up the cracks and sell the car - only removing the right headlight and accordion hose will let you inspect the sites where welding may have been done. A good large screwdriver can be used as a stethoscope to list for engine noises - use it on the distributor shaft as well.

Let the engine warm up until the radiator fan runs, listening for changes to the engine and then do a slow test drive in the parking lot and local streets and then around the owner's town. This will include a moving test of the differential locks. To engage the diff locks you must be moving slowly and the best place to test them is on a lose gravel surface, steer full lock and drive slowly around in a circle, you should hear the wheels on one side of the car slipping (which side will depend on the direction you are driving in the circle) and the drive train should feel 'Solid'.

Do the speedometer and trip computer work? Rear window defroster? Strange noises on bumps? Taut and firm, or loose and sloppy? Power steering feel and sound? Alternator belt squeal with full electric load? Try starting and stopping and run through the gears - check out the feel of the clutch, brakes and accelerator systems, and the steering and suspension. Push the ABS switch and check the warning light comes on. Switch the ABS back on and check the light goes out again. Once the car is warm the a/c and blower can be tested properly.

When back from the test drive, pull on the handbrake - check the warning light comes on - and see if the clutch slips against it before shutting down. Keep the engine running, and get out of the car with the handbrake on. Turn the front wheels onto full lock to see the wear pattern.

If the test drive indicated sloppy shocks/suspension, bounce the corners and wiggle each wheel for play. Examine tyre treads for depth, feathering, cupping, unusual wear at edges or in center. Front and rear. Feel temperature of tyres and wheels for heat due to dragging brakes.

If you're still serious, drive the car for another half hour at higher speeds, checking passing systems and wander tendencies. Watch the gauges for under/over heating, and check both the horn and the audio system. Accelerate hard from 35 mph in third gear at least once. Stop somewhere for ten minutes on a clean surface and check underneath for leaks. Look at both differentials. Water dripping from an air conditioning evaporator is normal. Turn the steering wheel onto left full lock and look behind the front right wheel at the oil cooler lines.

Although this list might seem a bit long, it should stop you buying a complete Lemon!

Good Luck!
 
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