gold license only online racing

[ImaRobot]

My experience in Open Lobbies is the exact opposite. It's almost always carnage at the back and middle of the grid which is why I try to avoid rooms without qualifying on. Reverse grid in large shuffle lobbies are almost always terrible. The closer to the front you get, the more skilled, more courteous a driver tends to be, especially if you quickly establish you aren't going to be divebombing them or doing anything stupid.

If you aren't fast, generally it's because you don't have good car control, so you tend to be more erratic and unpredictable on the track. Even if you intend to race clean, sometimes you just can't, you panic in the pack or just don't have the fine control you need for close racing.

If you are fast, and the room doesn't have SRF, you usually have good car control, so being clean or dirty is a choice, and in my experience most truly fast drivers, in open lobbies and race series, tend to be very clean.

This is the same from my experiences as well. Most of the people that I've seen with bad racing habits, or that cant adapt, tend to be the people from middle to the end of the pack. I've been smashed off the road by more people trying to catch me, or from me passing the slower players. Both intentional, and on accident.

Like Johnnypenso said, the closer to pole position you get, for me anyways, the cleaner and tidier the races are. I'd just like to quote this as well

especially if you quickly establish you aren't going to be divebombing them or doing anything stupid.

quick edit:
Also, You brought up you hosting a racing series, which is odd. I know experiences may differ, but for 3 years you've had to deal with that? The first race of the first racing series I was in was clean and fast right from the get go, all the way up to the end of the series. They were also some of the most polite racer's I've managed to come across, and I'm not talking personality wise.

 

[Johnnypenso]

especially if you quickly establish you aren't going to be divebombing them or doing anything stupid.

Glad you quoted that. I'm a big believer in non-verbal communication in general and I find it works really well in GT. I know all the risky passing places on every track, the ones where Senna ans Shoomey wannabes tend to overcook it and force outside drivers off the track and sometimes I "show" pass there early on in the race, but back off well before the corner to establish my cleanliness and attitude during a race. I'll also closely follow someone down a straight but then back off slightly before entering the corner, again, establishing I'm not going to risk a tiny mistake and force them off the road or sideways.

It's subtle little things like that, that tell other drivers who you are and what you are about in online racing. In the rare circumstance I make more than incidental contact during a race, I will back off and wait for the driver to re-pass as per GTP rules and I find most people are taken aback by that because it's so rare online.

 

[carracerptp]

If you are fast, and the room doesn't have SRF, you usually have good car control, so being clean or dirty is a choice, and in my experience most truly fast drivers, in open lobbies and race series, tend to be very clean.

I would like to add that this only applies to fast drivers, not people in "fast" cars.

Regardless, I didn't bother getting gold for ages and I was fine online. Many of the guys I raced with basically skipped offline mode.

At anything the license tests in GT5 made people worse drivers because they teach dive bombing the apex as a passing technique (we all can't be Alex Zanardi).

iRacings as a "system" that sort of works but fails big time if some idiot slams into the back of you causing a major "rating" reduction. I can't see how a system could be work without having a human making judgement calls. Racing isn't black or white.

 

[eSZee]

Even bad racers could get gold licenses.
Also, could you please include POTATO as a poll choice? I refuse to vote til then.
Thanks.

 

[Highlandor]

My experience in Open Lobbies is the exact opposite.

The single biggest reason we have for new members is because they're sick and tired of open lobbys and what generally happens in there i.e. not clean racing on a consistently level.

That's why there's so many (hundreds or thousands) of small GT5 websites that cater for clean or zero contact racing, or people like LUNARWOLF saying "....it is still better than a lot of humans that race online...".

What lobbys do you go in, you might be racing in the "clean" lobbys, how do we know your randomly choosing lobbys everytime you race and not cherry-picking the most likely ones that have some element of clean racing? I know you've raced in a friends lobby before who is pretty strict on clean racing, if you're targeting these (with fastest first) it's likely you will find the top few guys are not too bad.

What about the lobbys that actively ask for dirty racers - do you race in those too?

If not, then that's not reflective of the diversity of open lobbys available is it?

 

[ImaRobot]

What lobbys do you go in, you might be racing in the "clean" lobbys, how do we know your randomly choosing lobbys everytime you race and not cherry-picking the most likely ones that have some element of clean racing? I know you've raced in a friends lobby before who is pretty strict on clean racing, if you're targeting these (with fastest first) it's likely you will find the top few guys are not too bad.

What about the lobbys that actively ask for dirty racers - do you race in those too?

If not, then that's not reflective of the diversity of open lobbys available is it?

I know your talking to him, but I’ll give my answer. Yes, I do handpick every lobby that I will enter, and will never have a room randomly selected for me.. that’s the very first step to avoiding the racers you complain about. Why would you randomly join a room, or purposely enter a room asking for dirty racers, and then complain that the fast people are dirty/unskilled drivers? (not pointing you out, but just a generality)

 

[Johnnypenso]

What lobbys do you go in, you might be racing in the "clean" lobbys, how do we know your randomly choosing lobbys everytime you race and not cherry-picking the most likely ones that have some element of clean racing? I know you've raced in a friends lobby before who is pretty strict on clean racing, if you're targeting these (with fastest first) it's likely you will find the top few guys are not too bad.

What about the lobbys that actively ask for dirty racers - do you race in those too?

If not, then that's not reflective of the diversity of open lobbys available is it?

I don't randomly pick lobbies, my eyes are generally open. I look for circuit racing rooms, usually end up on RS tires because that's usually all there is, although I'd prefer street or comfort tires. Not sure why you'd mention dirty lobbies as by their very nature they don't require clean driving from any point on the grid.

As I said, my experience in open lobbies is generally that faster drivers tend to be cleaner, mid and back of the pack drivers less so. Part of it is car control I'm sure, they aren't fast because they aren't sure what the car is going to do, and therefore don't have as much control when they are at the limit.

My experience is also that the word "clean" in a lobby description is essentially meaniningless. Most hosts don't do a good job of policing their lobbies. When you find one that does you stick with them.

 

[Bluntified]

This might be slightly off topic. I find that GTA5 has a really good implementation on how do divide people online. Bad sports, cheaters, and clean players. If your a bad sport, you can only see or join other bad sport lobbies - vice versa for the others.

If GT6 implemented something like that, it would be a good way to divide people on how they play! Everyone's happy. People would learn to respect and play clean, if not, it's back to the pits.

License tests however, pointless. I could gold all tests, join a "gold" room, then start ramming the heck outta people. Doesn't make sense, does it?

 

[05XR8]

Clean should mean patient. Drivers are mainly focused on winning at the first turn, instead of following and setting up to pass. I always use a slower car and even advise other driver's(after assessing the room I'm in) if they are behind me, I will stay on my line for them to pass. The rooms with 450 pp are usually the best until they start going to 500+. Thats when I agree its all about no car control what so ever.

Oh! And it kills me when people type"Start Race Now" and they are the first ones to leave the race if they spin off. There should be a stat for a host to view when drivers enter a room.

 

[Blank_Redge]

Voted "pancake." =p

Once the PS4 rolls around, I'm not keen on the idea of paying for Plus membership, just to play online, so the point is moot for me, there.

For the GT6 / PS3 though, sure; I think this'd be a fine idea as an optional room toggle. Better chance of keeping out the kiddies that just want to hoon about in their X1's.