Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[05XR8]

This is interesting to watch play out, it feels like the culmination of the issue we've often talked about where PD try to spin both the classic content plate and the Sport Mode plate and end up kind of ineffectual at both.

If I were PD, I think I'd see the writing on the wall, pivot away from Sport Mode, and re-tool GT8's online offerings to be more based around the whole car roster at the expense of the GTWS. But I could also see them desperately trying to hold on to streamers and top-tier players who they worry won't play non-race car content.

It’s crazy because Kaz admitted data showed older players play “offline” for hours and younger players play Sport mode for a couple races and turn the system off.

August 27, 2021

Let’s read what Kaz says about GTS(gtp news article from Option):

Interestingly, Yamauchi acknowledges that fans may not always follow how Gran Turismo games change from generation to generation. That particularly applies to Gran Turismo Sport, and its shift into esport. “It may have seemed quite outlandish for some people!” he remarked, and notes that support for the game grew in a different way to previous titles, gaining more momentum later in its life.

Sport Mode then, as we’ve seen in the Gran Turismo 7 trailer last July, still has a major role to play, but GT7 will be nostalgic for those who played the previous games. “While inheriting elements such as the [FIA] championship realized in Sport, Gran Turismo 7 will return to the royal purpose of full volumes like [Gran Turismo] 1-4, and provide the best Gran Turismo experience at present,” says Yamauchi.

Of course we’ve previously heard that GT7 would be a combination of the “past, present, and future” of Gran Turismo, so this reinforcement comes as music to the ears of those fans of classic GT games.

I have to requote this one from Kaz via gtplanet:

“When you look at the distribution of the age groups playing Gran Turismo,” he explains, “it becomes apparent that those in the higher age groups prefer playing offline and the younger generation actually like playing online against others”.

That’s not the whole story either, as not only does player preference differ by generation, player behavior does too.

“The traditional Gran Turismo players, they play offline and they spend hours and hours in the game,” says Yamauchi. “The new generation of users will log in online, play maybe one or two races, and then log off. So the playing style is quite different between the two”.

For GT7 some of us higher age groups indeed have to play for hours to afford all the daggone multiples of cars and parts to customise each of them.

If Sport Mode was set up like World Circuit Mode(offline), where Sport Mode combined the Lobby & Paddock, Daily Races, TT events, Manufacturer & Nations events, plus rotation of Weekly races from offline, PD might see younger players spending more time online.
Treat both modes like the old discs. Separately. Make the title screen ask World Circuit Mode or Sport Mode.

Make the Sport Mode Map have all the circuit maps on screen, rather than looking like a resort. Simplify it for PS4 and make it more detailed for PS5/PS5P.

 

[Revengel]

Pretty much any modern racing game nowdays have terrible single player career and progression, and it use to be strong point like 15 years ago.

My hot take on this is 15+ years ago, the online racing community (we're talking 2010) was nowhere near as robust as it is today. Those were the days of GT5 Prologue in 2007 and GT5 in 2010. Gran Turismo 5 was the first major release since Gran Turismo 4, and the first major/numbered entry to have a native online race option.

As a direct result, single player was still the primary focus of the game. While PD believed online would work, it was still (comparatively) in its infancy.



Also on the comment about older GT7 folks . . . I'm very much in that category. I will spend hours offline just cruising in VR. I'll make liveries (again, offline) that will take me days to complete and do custom races.

But I certainly do spend a good chunk of time online as well. I log in and do a couple-few (tm) races and/or time trial daily. I practice for the GTWS.

However, when I'm downstairs in the early hours of the weekend on the phone w/ a truck driving friend of mine? I'm driving offline while we talk.

 

[Famine]

We do find out when its update time later this month.

Who says that there's even an update this month?

Nonetheless, every time someone says "Hey, [event] is happening; PD's going to respond with [wishlist]", and every time no part of that happens. Then there's some post hoc rationalisation and/or complaining, and the cycle repeats.

PD doesn't care what's happening in any other games. A launch of some title or other may be on your radar but it's not on theirs. PD does its own thing.

By all means set yourself up for disappointment though. Just don't drag anyone else down with you.

Unless you have some insider information, that we dont have access to.

You should always assume that we do. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't, but you should assume it either way.

Pd might not care what other games are doing. But Sony does. And they are controlling pd pretty much. Just like Microsoft for forza.

That's... not how anything works, but you go off.

 

[PSN offapple]

I'm tired of GT7 news-watching being a pit of misery with nothing to be optimistic about.

 

[mastretta_mx]

I'm tired of GT7 news-watching being a pit of misery with nothing to be optimistic about.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I'm tired of GT7 news-watching being a pit of misery with nothing to be optimistic about.

Don't watch the people watching the news.

 

[PSN offapple]

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No, but it just grinds you down more and more over time you know? It gets close to a point of apathy at times, but then something comes along at random and ends up reigniting the spark for a while.
Lately that's been the addition of Sophy A.I. to Custom Race mode. Running multi-class races against them with Boost set to Weak has been fun. It's terrifying how efficient they are at lapping traffic. Went 4-wide at one point.
Highly recommend trying it out for those with a PS5

 

[mastretta_mx]

No, but it just grinds you down more and more over time you know? It gets close to a point of apathy at times, but then something comes along and ends up reigniting the spark for a while.
Lately that's been the surprise addition of Sophy A.I. to Custom Race mode. Running multi-class races against them with Boost set to Weak has been fun. It's terrifying how efficient they are at lapping traffic. Went 4-wide at one point.

I think the main problem is that one part of the community is mad for the lack of newer race cars (specially GT3 cars). While you can understand they are disappointed they are gping beyond vocal and can give the impression that the entire franchise is done (not helping that several of those people have youtube channels where they make more noise).

I am from Mexico, so.my feeds on youtube and instagram are usually loaded of Spanish content generators that are pretty vocal and I see dozens of videos telling that GT7 is a disaster and being extremly critical of "meme cars".

While most of their complains can be valid from their point of view, it doesn't reflect the thoughts of all the GT community, but they claim they are talking for everyone, that I think is what cause this kind of feeling of only bad news

 

[Resna777]

I'm tired of GT7 news-watching being a pit of misery with nothing to be optimistic about.

I’ve made it a rule to only check GTPlanet once every 2/3 days but towards the end of the month (weekend before the potential last Thursday update) I’m usually on a lot because news is happening. If you find yourself refreshing the page constantly looking for an acorn of news it can get tedious and, in your words, miserable.

In the meantime I make full use of the previous update cars and chip away at my own goals (master license golds, circuit experience, missions) but everyone plays differently. I’m one of the older GT players that spends hours making liveries, reruns the grind races for credits (not that I’m hurting for credits, I have multiples of every car already) and sometimes joins friends to test tunes.

Gran Turismo has always been an offline game to me because I started with GT1 on controller, and even though I have a G29 with a playseat rig and psvr2 I prefer to play GT7 with controller (in chase cam no less!) because that’s how i enjoy my time with it.

I think Kaz really did try to make a “sandbox” type of game this time around, and maybe the focus is a little lost for those who need a structure but I find GT7 unique in this way.

 

[RACECAR]

I'm tired of GT7 news-watching being a pit of misery with nothing to be optimistic about.

If you find something else to occupy your mind and not look for news as often, its nowhere near as bad. I'm involved in several threads and those tend to be where alot of my attention is focused. If there is GT7 news, Cool. If not, Guess I'll be back to what I am doing in those threads.

 

[Ande3200]

How exactly does a title that is pretty much at the end of its own life cycle with this PS5 port the ONLY thing left putting more pressure on PD? Its Horizon 5, Not 6.

As mentioned, the only thing Sony will care about is how much that they are about to get from a Forza title (Something I didn't think I'd even be talking about, but here we are).

It might not be as much pressure on gt7 given its at its pretty end circle. But it could make gt8 step up their game. Because then ac evo Will be on consoles to.

 

[Doncarlone]

I am still intrested on what response pd and Sony will have this month given fh5 releases on ps5

Not seeing PD doing anything with horizon. Maybe if motorsport also comes to playstation we might see pd become a bit more active in that regard.

 

[Famine]

But it could make gt8 step up their game. Because then ac evo Will be on consoles to.

PD also doesn't care about that.

Maybe if motorsport also comes to playstation we might see pd become a bit more active in that regard.

Or that.

 

[05XR8]

Only thing that makes PD more active are major game bugs that PD knows they need to fix asap or if by some craziness, Gran Turismo players stopped playing the game.

 

[MroczMR]

Sony will care if they see forza horizon 5 getting more attention than their own flagracer.

you really believe that GT7 is somewhat in danger because of 4 year old arcade racer?

 

[Ande3200]

PD also doesn't care about that.

Or that.

Sony does. And given what ac evo is going for its going to compete with gt. And might even surpace it in many areas.

Competetion is what gets games as good as they can be. Gt7 has had no competetion. If they started losing players thanks to more competetion. They would have to put in more effort. Thats in general how it works.

 

[tankuroded]

Sony does. And given what ac evo is going for its going to compete with gt. And might even surpace it in many areas.

Competetion is what gets games as good as they can be. Gt7 has had no competetion. If they started losing players thanks to more competetion. They would have to put in more effort. Thats in general how it works.

The original AC was too dependent on mods to be a threat on consoles, and I feel it would be the same again with AC Evo.

 

[Famine]

Sony does.

Which is irrelevant, just like last time:

Pd might not care what other games are doing. But Sony does. And they are controlling pd pretty much. Just like Microsoft for forza.

That's... not how anything works, but you go off.

The Sony-PD-GT relationship is not equivalent to the Microsoft-T10/PG-Forza relationship.

And given what ac evo is going for its going to compete with gt. And might even surpace it in many areas.

Several games surpass GT in several areas. It doesn't inform what PD will include in game updates in the slightest.

Gt7 has had no competetion.

Tell me you don't actually pay attention to what games are out there without actually telling me. Do you reckon GT Sport and GT6 had no competition either?


Again, you keep hyping yourself up for what PD will do with an update because [other game] will launch/have a big update/anniversary, and it never happens. Then we get the post hoc rationalisation and disappointment. Again, feel free to do that to yourself (it's weird, but who am I to judge), but you shouldn't be hyping up other people in order for them to also be disappointed - especially as we then have to deal with all the clean-up from people who can't keep their unwarranted anger polite and to themselves.


PD does not watch other titles and react. This is how it is.

 

[CooLerSIK]

Snow/Ground tires for GR3/4 cars, Is there a possibility of appearing?
Honestly, I would like to hold a similar race, I think it would be fun.

 

[Strittan]

No, but it just grinds you down more and more over time you know? It gets close to a point of apathy at times, but then something comes along at random and ends up reigniting the spark for a while.
Lately that's been the addition of Sophy A.I. to Custom Race mode. Running multi-class races against them with Boost set to Weak has been fun. It's terrifying how efficient they are at lapping traffic. Went 4-wide at one point.
Highly recommend trying it out for those with a PS5

For those with a PS5 there are many other games I’d recommend before GT7, and if you’re only into racing games you should not even get a PS5 in my opinion.

 

[Nakano219]

Only thing that makes PD more active are major game bugs that PD knows they need to fix asap or if by some craziness, Gran Turismo players stopped playing the game.

I would also add when they get negative coverage in mainstream gaming (not just racing game) press.

But other than that, yeah, that's accurate.

 

[mynameis66]

For those with a PS5 there are many other games I’d recommend before GT7, and if you’re only into racing games you should not even get a PS5 in my opinion.

Do you play GT7 or just post on the forums? Genuine question.Just wondered why you would not recommend a ps5 for racing games.GT7 plays better on a ps5 than a ps4,and i use both.

 

[ShonnDaylee]

Do you play GT7 or just post on the forums? Genuine question.Just wondered why you would not recommend a ps5 for racing games.GT7 plays better on a ps5 than a ps4,and i use both.

I believe he is alluding to the fact that there are few good racing games on the system, other than GT7. I mean, there is AC, and ACC (although just the base games, with no mods), and there are a handful of silly over-the-top arcade racers (not knocking them, just sayin') such as The Crew/TDUSC, but the sim market is bare bones on the PS5.

 

[jrbabbitt]

Sony does. And given what ac evo is going for its going to compete with gt. And might even surpace it in many areas.

Competetion is what gets games as good as they can be. Gt7 has had no competetion. If they started losing players thanks to more competetion. They would have to put in more effort. Thats in general how it works.

If that's how it works, then why are YOU not running things there?

 

[GlamFM]

For those with a PS5 there are many other games I’d recommend before GT7, and if you’re only into racing games you should not even get a PS5 in my opinion.

I’d go even further and recommend a PS5 AND PSVR2 only for GT7 🤷‍♂️🔥

 

[PSN offapple]

Some cool opponent liveries in the new Honda Civic One-Make special event!

Spoiler: Liveries

 

[Strittan]

Do you play GT7 or just post on the forums? Genuine question.

No. Well, hardly at all rather. I sometimes fire it up if a car arrives that I find interesting.

Just wondered why you would not recommend a ps5 for racing games.

Because I don't think GT7 is a good racing game, and while there are a few others on the PS5 that are ok, PC is where it really happens in my opinion. I use my PS5 mainly for action/adventure games, as I think Sony's got some really good exclusives in that department.

GT7 plays better on a ps5 than a ps4,and i use both.

Cool.

 

[Brock5000]

Some cool opponent liveries in the new Honda Civic One-Make special event!

If only they (and all the other AI liveried cars in the game for that matter) would appear in the Used Car Dealership, complete with whatever engine mods they have at the relevant price.

 

[SimTourist]

Kaz to all other racing games

 

[Fezzik]

I’d go even further and recommend a PS5 AND PSVR2 only for GT7 🤷‍♂️🔥

If someone was really into VR racing (or honestly just racing in general) then it wouldn’t be good or realistic advice to recommend a PS5 at the present time over a gaming PC. One good game doesn’t outweigh a much more varied offering (and I'm saying that as someone who actually does like GT7 and thinks it's a a good racer - 2000 hours now).