Gran Turismo World Championship (Impossible? For me.)

[Jason48]

I have tried and tried to win any of the ten races in the GTWC but so far, the best I have done, is come up 5th at Sarthe. (With an '02 Cien.) And, I had to wreck the Gillet Vertigo in front of me to do that good.

I've driven this race with a lot of cars. Like I said, I tried using my 900 Horsepower Cadillac and my 690 HP BMW M3 GTR Race Car. (My favorite.)

My problems include, inability to turn as sharply with as much speed as they do, keeping up with them on straightaways and I also have to pit for new tires long before they do.

I don't have enough money to buy some 4.5 million dollar supercar, and I also can't win any of the endurance races to win a prize 4.5 mil car since they're even harder than the GTWC.

If you could, please tell me how and with what car you won the GTWC. Perhaps even how you tuned it. (Given you did WIN it.) If you haven't, feel free to give some pointers. I'll take all the help I can get here.

 

[opendriver]

GO TO THE ENDURANCE HALL

Race the el Capitan 200 miles and get yourself a minolta

Practice each track for about 10 laps and you should be goood to go.

If you cant win the 200 mile-r, you need to start saving


Either that or do some special condition hall things till you get enough money to do whatever you want

 

[Pupik]

The black, used Mazda 787B did the trick for me, no mods. Although I personally prefer both ASM settings at 0, and TCS at 1 or 0. Chassis refresh isn't a bad idea, either; but I won it without needing it.

I'm not even all that good a driver, so it should do the trick for you, if the Minolta is too much trouble.

 

[Duke]

Also, try searching for "world championship" in thread titles on this board. You'll get about 97 threads asking what's wrong with the stupid game that it won't let them enter the GTWC. But in and among there, you'll get car recommendations and race reports discussing what people have used.

Truthfully, your car is just outgunned going up against a bunch of purpose-built prototype racers.

 

[BobK]

To answer the specific question I won the GTWC with the Formula Gran Turismo which is the prize car from the Nurburgring 24-hour enduro.

As Daan pointed out, your cars are hopelessly outclassed in the GTWC. As you have discovered, they also can't get the job done in the Super Speedway, either Sarthe, Fuji or Infineon enduros. However your Cien can easily win the El Capitan enduro, and as opendriver19a says, that will get you the Minolta Toyota 88C-V. And that car can win the GTWC as well as the abovementioned enduros.

 

[Famine]

Truthfully, your car is just outgunned going up against a bunch of purpose-built prototype racers.

Yep - the Cien is powerful enough but too heavy (eats tyres) and doesn't have the cornering speed. The M3 GTR Race Car has better cornering speed, but is still too heavy and not powerful enough.

The phrase "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight" is key here. To beat the LMP cars you NEED an LMP car (well... depending on your level you don't, but it's best to be safe). Even then, your tactics can affect your race outcome drastically too.


So I'd suggest getting that Minolta Toyota 88C-V from the El Capitan Enduro. Prequalify ("Practice" - though it determines grid position) for every race on R5 tyres. Switch to hard (R2) or superhard (R1) fronts and hard (R2) rears for the race, block everyone at the start and pit at exactly half race distance, whether you think you need it or not - you'll always need two sets of tyres, and it's best to change them while they're still good, then you don't have to deal with them going "off".

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Check the links below to find all your answers:

Need help, GT World Champinship

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=63431&highlight=world+championship

 

[east]

So I'd suggest getting that Minolta Toyota 88C-V from the El Capitan Enduro.

Correct me if im wrong but you first have to win the GTWC before the game allows you to race the enduros dont you?

Well my advice would be to Qualify on Pole and stay there for as long as possible during the race. Start the race on tyres that will get you to around 3 or 4 laps from the end of the race, by this time it wont be too long before the AI begin to struggle with tyre wear, put either softs or super softs on and go for it, you'll gain bucket loads of time on them and if you were fast enough, you should be able to take the lead while they all in the pits! Thats the strategy that won me the GTWC with the Fairlady LM The only problem with that strategy is if you are racing the Pescarolo C60 as I think there is rarely a race in the GTWC were this car ever pits! Theres one other car that doesnt pit but I forgot what it was.

 

[gregc]

Correct me if im wrong but you first have to win the GTWC before the game allows you to race the enduros dont you?

Correcting, as requested ... You need to be over 25% complete to race the enduros, that's the only restriction.

On the pit strategy, I'd agree with Famine - pit at half distance, that way you never run on worn tyres 👍

 

[east]

Correcting, as requested ... You need to be over 25% complete to race the enduros, that's the only restriction.

Yes, you are right, its been a long time since I was last at that point in the game

 

[daan]

As Daan pointed out,

Errr, that was Duke. But I'd have probably said that too....

 

[east]

On the pit strategy, I'd agree with Famine - pit at half distance, that way you never run on worn tyres

The only thing I would say about his strategy is youd have better luck with it using a car like the MINOLTA (which I know is what he had in mind), you could do it like that with a car like the Fairlady LM but youd have to be on the limit the entire race, NO MISTAKES! But using hards you might get away with not having to stop at all anyway as I was getting 7 laps out of mediums alone around the Tokyo track a few moments ago with the Fairlady

 

[BobK]

Errr, that was Duke. But I'd have probably said that too....

Oops, my mistake. Apologies to both of you.

 

[Famine]

The only thing I would say about his strategy is youd have better luck with it using a car like the MINOLTA (which I know is what he had in mind), you could do it like that with a car like the Fairlady LM but youd have to be on the limit the entire race, NO MISTAKES!

It's effective for any car. Imagine an 18 lapper:

1. Start.
2. Tyre wear-in phase (3 laps reduced performance)
3. Optimum tyre phase (7 laps good times)

Now you have two ways to go. Normal way is this:
4. Tyre wear-out phase (1 lap reduced performance)
5. Pit-in lap (at reduced performance)
6. Tyre wear-in phase (3 laps reduced performance)
7. Optimum tyre phase (only 3 laps of good times left)

In your 18 lap race you've run 10 laps at optimum, 7 laps reduced performance and a pit lap at reduced performance.

My way is this:
3. Optimum tyre phase (5 laps good times)
4. Pit-in lap
5. Tyre wear-in phase (3 laps reduced performance)
6. Optimum tyre phase (6 laps good times)

I cut the first phase short and lost a good lap, but my pit-in lap was a fast one. I've run 11 laps of good times, only 6 laps of reduced performance and my pit-in lap was fast too.

This means I've run two laps of faster times than the other version, good for 5-8 seconds of race time. This is the difference between coming out of the pits behind a faster car and watching it pull away and coming out of the pits in front of him and blocking him to the finish.

So it should work better with slower cars than faster ones. It works for most multi-lap races where you know you need to stop once. It's not as effective in endurance races though, for some reason.

 

[east]

Im not sure you could do an 18 lapper doing only one stop could you? Maybe using hards, but not using mediums, and at some point those hards would get very orange indeed, which would go against the idea of your strategy to keep the tyres in green condition for the full race distance, to keep the tyres green youd have to make an extra stop! That means a two stopper, but then why would you use hards to do it when you could use mediums for the same amount of stops? They are easier to use and give faster lap times, if you can do the same amount of pit stops on both the hard and medium compounds I think its obvious which of the two is going to be the faster way, the only way the hard compound can compete is by making less stops than the medium compound!

 

[Famine]

Im not sure you could do an 18 lapper doing only one stop could you? Maybe using hards, but not using mediums, and at some point those hards would get very orange indeed, which would go against the idea of your strategy to keep the tyres in green condition for the full race distance, to keep the tyres green youd have to make an extra stop!

Been, seen, done, T-shirt. CLK-GTR, aiiiiii thank you. Strategy worked like a gem - R1s up top, R2s out back, 100 points from 100.

Try to go until you need the tyres and, at Hong Kong especially, a whipping is in short order.

 

[east]

I gave your strategy a try at the Hong Kong 18 lapper with my Fairlady. I got passed a few times in the first 9 laps but managed to bump them out of the way to retake the first place, pitted on lap 9 (tyres were yellow!) when I came out the Minolta just got by as I exited the pitlane, from there I couldnt catch it so gave up. Its like I said, one mistake and the cars go flying passed you with no chance of recapturing them and using Super Hards does not help this. Your strategy is definately possible though even with the slower cars like the Fairlady, and is fun if you like racing closely with the AI, but as far as being the quickest way or the easiest way, im not so sure.

If you like, I currently have a fastest race time around the Tokyo 10 lapper of a 14.47.486 using my strategy with the fully tuned Fairlady LM (bone stock settings right down to the 10/10/7 driver aid settings ), started from Pole on Mediums, pitted on lap 6, changed to Softs, finished first by around 17 seconds or so. Care to give it a shot using your strategy? And if you dont mind posting your Honk Kong times i'll see how close I can get to you using my strategy

 

[Famine]

That means picking up GT4 - and I've not done that in months (I'm busy on GTASA and GTALCS).

If you'd like a crack at it, my attempt on GTWC at Hong Kong in the Japanese version (in a CLK-GTR) yielded a 22'24.740, with a fastest lap of 1'11.020.

 

[Wakkats]

a Minolta works for me. It doesn't have decent power, but the trick is i didn't pit while the others go for it. Just keep up with them until half of the race, but make sure you're at least in the fourth place. Conserve your tires a bit and try not to hit on a wall.

 

[lemans23]

Don't worry man, I had the same problem. I felt that there was NO way to win it. However, I was wrong. Go get your M3 GTR (it cannot win the race btw), and do the nurburgring 24hr race. It's long, it's tedious and it's in some parts boring, but you'll get a F1 car. Completely smokes the other cars. I got gold on every race.

 

[JTSnooks]

Actually, wakkats, the Toyota Minolta 88-CV has more than enough power to handily beat the competition, even on hard/superhard tires. The other cars are no more or less powerful/fast than the 88-CV, if anything they're slower. It likely has something to do with the driving.

 

[barryl85]

I had to get the Minolta for this one, I watched my mate do this championship with a fully tuned BMW M5 tho! that was impressive.

 

[Thiele]

I have tried and tried to win any of the ten races in the GTWC but so far, the best I have done, is come up 5th at Sarthe. (With an '02 Cien.) And, I had to wreck the Gillet Vertigo in front of me to do that good.

I've driven this race with a lot of cars. Like I said, I tried using my 900 Horsepower Cadillac and my 690 HP BMW M3 GTR Race Car. (My favorite.)

My problems include, inability to turn as sharply with as much speed as they do, keeping up with them on straightaways and I also have to pit for new tires long before they do.

I don't have enough money to buy some 4.5 million dollar supercar, and I also can't win any of the endurance races to win a prize 4.5 mil car since they're even harder than the GTWC.

If you could, please tell me how and with what car you won the GTWC. Perhaps even how you tuned it. (Given you did WIN it.) If you haven't, feel free to give some pointers. I'll take all the help I can get here.

hi Jason 48, i had a lot of trouble at that point, and i used the Chapparel 2j, i can't remember how i tuned it though, i don't think i tuned it at all

Errr, that was Duke. But I'd have probably said that too....

i always get Daan and Duke mixed up

 

[Famine]

I had to get the Minolta for this one, I watched my mate do this championship with a fully tuned BMW M5 tho! that was impressive.

What? Bells on, more like!

Love to see some photos of a diary confirming this.

 

[barryl85]

What? Bells on, more like!

Love to see some photos of a diary confirming this.

I got no proof He also did a race in the special conditions hall on Tsukuba Wet(i think) against an LMP in a fully tuned Impreza

 

[nige]

I got no proof He also did a race in the special conditions hall on Tsukuba Wet(i think) against an LMP in a fully tuned Impreza

Yes we all know about this one! The M5 at GTWC though- need proof of that
nige

 

[east]

I gave the first round at Tokyo a try with the M5, Fully Moded except for a LSD. I managed to qualify it on pole and also managed to lead the race on Hard tyres for a couple laps before losing it, and that was all done with STOCK settings! I'm not much of a tuner but if someone could tune a couple more seconds into this car I think it can be done. I'll keep working on it.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Do the DTM (Deutshe Tourewagen Masters, I don't think I spelled it right) like I did for cash... it gives about 900g if you win every race and sell the prize car each time you complete the tournament. I bought the Opel Astra Touring Car and added a stage 4 turbo kit. Most of the time I B-Spec all of it.