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From previous experience at the Nordschleife, it is exactly that.
Gran Turismo World Series (2025 Manufacturers Cup | April 2 - April 19)
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Man! What a race in Rd4 !! One lap of dry track then rain started in the second lap. Most of the second lap was wet with RH tires, made for some white knuckle moments. Then the rain really hit... 3 intense laps of downpour. Had some really great CLEAN racing the whole race with "Arborman", "TPC_KosmoKasi" and mostly with "Volkswagon". Him and I were racing hard the whole race. Great racer!!
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Slot 1... DC'd as qualifying started.
Slot 2... All dry. I do not enjoy the Nords/AMG combination. Somehow I dragged my way up to 9th.
Slot 3, it finally got interesting. Rain came just a bit into the 2nd lap... or so it seemed. We'll get to that later. Anyway, I really thought about jumping back to the pits for inters, but dithered until it was too late. No one else did, though. The first guy on the track avoided enough of the rain to get pole, and I, about 10 seconds slower, got 2nd as literally everyone in front of me crashed. OK then! First lap in the dry was mediocre but I was still in touch. Seeing that the rain was again close to the track, I pitted for inters at the end of lap 1. Unsurprisingly they suffered some wear but about 1/3 through the lap it looked like the track was wet and I was starting to make up time, until suddenly... the back half of the track was basically dry? Even though there was darker blue over it in the radar??? I'd like to know if anyone else saw something similar, it made no sense and completely destroyed my inters. I took the lead as everyone else pitted on lap 2, but the damage had been done. Maybe it was the wrong strategy anyway because I would have had to save a lot of fuel to make it to the end, but I had to pit at the end of lap 3 as I was at around 5% on both fronts. That put me back to about 10th although I managed to get back to 5th by the end.
I know GT7 is trying to simulate different conditions on different parts of the track, but it doesn't make sense when the radar shows something completely different. Wondering what others' experiences were.
Slot 2... All dry. I do not enjoy the Nords/AMG combination. Somehow I dragged my way up to 9th.
Slot 3, it finally got interesting. Rain came just a bit into the 2nd lap... or so it seemed. We'll get to that later. Anyway, I really thought about jumping back to the pits for inters, but dithered until it was too late. No one else did, though. The first guy on the track avoided enough of the rain to get pole, and I, about 10 seconds slower, got 2nd as literally everyone in front of me crashed. OK then! First lap in the dry was mediocre but I was still in touch. Seeing that the rain was again close to the track, I pitted for inters at the end of lap 1. Unsurprisingly they suffered some wear but about 1/3 through the lap it looked like the track was wet and I was starting to make up time, until suddenly... the back half of the track was basically dry? Even though there was darker blue over it in the radar??? I'd like to know if anyone else saw something similar, it made no sense and completely destroyed my inters. I took the lead as everyone else pitted on lap 2, but the damage had been done. Maybe it was the wrong strategy anyway because I would have had to save a lot of fuel to make it to the end, but I had to pit at the end of lap 3 as I was at around 5% on both fronts. That put me back to about 10th although I managed to get back to 5th by the end.
I know GT7 is trying to simulate different conditions on different parts of the track, but it doesn't make sense when the radar shows something completely different. Wondering what others' experiences were.
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That is really bizarre. I didn't have any rain in my own race, but when I was doing laps in Free Practice, the track always got to the second tick on the gauge whenever it was hit by coloured squares on the radar -- even if they were the lightest blue. The darker blue tended to go even above the second tick. Can definitely understand your frustration here.
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Well luck shined on me in the soggy Eifel Mountains. After a pretty bodged and indecisive qualifying session and placing 11th. First lap was very much chaos (with among them controller issues & a certain GT-R), I went al the way to 2nd and chasing down first. Near the end of the second lap and hunting first it starts to rain. We slowly threaded the needle to the pits, where intermediates were not that bad in heavy rain. The Alfa was very compliant on the rain, even with puddles and going wide a couple of times. A Ferrari was hunting ME down, with a lap 2 seconds faster than me on the second-to-final lap. Even when another controller problem on the last lap, I made it to the finish alive and in 1st! Another win for a Stellantis brand, and the second time in the final round!
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
Just noticed that they’re having a GTWS live event in Los Angeles in November. I think I’m going to get that day off and check it out. I imagine they’ll hold the event in the LA LIVE/Convention Center, or one of the hotels.
Well…they also have the Porsche Center down the road in Carson. Not exactly Los Angeles, but close enough. That’d be cool too. Too bad I’m not nearly fast enough to qualify
Well…they also have the Porsche Center down the road in Carson. Not exactly Los Angeles, but close enough. That’d be cool too. Too bad I’m not nearly fast enough to qualify
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Round 4 GT1 America | A/S | 6 pm | w/ @Moose78 & @Cryptopygia (I cracked a smile when I saw you both in the race)
I couldn't wait for this race. The Nurburgring is one of my favorite tracks and the one I was most confident driving this series - rain or shine. I'm fairly consistent with my times; I ran 8:05 laps without pushing in practice - I wanted that sub-8-minute lap so badly. Set ~8:01.5 in free practice and buckled up for the race.
There was good spacing between drivers in qualifying. Unfortunately, that encouraged me to try to catch the car in front - pushing a little too much, and I binned it after dropping a wheel. Qualified P13 with 8:12 - starting at the back meant everyone else had something to lose.
The dreaded T1 lap 1, I went wide to avoid any chance of dive-bombing the inside. Drivers in front started checking up - I misjudged the distance and braked off track, locking up, before going into a spin. I saw @Moose78 life flash before MY eyes as I barrelled out of control into the corner. Took corrective action to avoid a fender bender or bowling a strike, but now I'm dead last. It's hammer time.
A lot of yellow flags and cars off track during lap 1. This gave me a chance to jump a few places to p10
Credit to @Moose78 for the spacious inside line - I needed a break defending my place from P11 "MOOD" who was hot on my bumper
The lack of rain during this race shocked me. I saw cars pitting after lap 2, so I pushed another lap for 3H and torched the tires.
Great clean race laps 4 and 5. Exited the pit behind 'Mk3tt-SKR', who pit in front of me during lap 2. I had to hold my breath a few times while flat-out, but we all survived.
Finished p5. I felt that was sufficient when 41 minutes prior, I was sitting in last place. Honestly, I would have raced another session, but I didn't want to take any chances with the weather or collisions.
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I couldn't wait for this race. The Nurburgring is one of my favorite tracks and the one I was most confident driving this series - rain or shine. I'm fairly consistent with my times; I ran 8:05 laps without pushing in practice - I wanted that sub-8-minute lap so badly. Set ~8:01.5 in free practice and buckled up for the race.
There was good spacing between drivers in qualifying. Unfortunately, that encouraged me to try to catch the car in front - pushing a little too much, and I binned it after dropping a wheel. Qualified P13 with 8:12 - starting at the back meant everyone else had something to lose.
The dreaded T1 lap 1, I went wide to avoid any chance of dive-bombing the inside. Drivers in front started checking up - I misjudged the distance and braked off track, locking up, before going into a spin. I saw @Moose78 life flash before MY eyes as I barrelled out of control into the corner. Took corrective action to avoid a fender bender or bowling a strike, but now I'm dead last. It's hammer time.
A lot of yellow flags and cars off track during lap 1. This gave me a chance to jump a few places to p10
Credit to @Moose78 for the spacious inside line - I needed a break defending my place from P11 "MOOD" who was hot on my bumper
The lack of rain during this race shocked me. I saw cars pitting after lap 2, so I pushed another lap for 3H and torched the tires.
Great clean race laps 4 and 5. Exited the pit behind 'Mk3tt-SKR', who pit in front of me during lap 2. I had to hold my breath a few times while flat-out, but we all survived.
Finished p5. I felt that was sufficient when 41 minutes prior, I was sitting in last place. Honestly, I would have raced another session, but I didn't want to take any chances with the weather or collisions.
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Driven for pretty much all the other manufacturers now, but I've been saving up Porsche to use in this year's Manu. Hopefully the RSR doesn't get nerfed too badly in tomorrow's expected BoP update - and fingers crossed this season include a 7pm BST slot. I've got my Cyberpunk Silverhand livery ready to go, so don't disappoint me PD.
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Porsche it is then, providing there's a Wednesday 7pm slot.
Sadly it does look like they are witholding the schedule until the last minute. We should get the TGR Cup details as well in the next few days - their website said it would be coming by the end of March.
Sadly it does look like they are witholding the schedule until the last minute. We should get the TGR Cup details as well in the next few days - their website said it would be coming by the end of March.
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I haven't driven it yet, but I already don't like. I don't know why PD can't just keep tweaking certain cars to 'damped sine wave' the BoP until it's all in a good place* rather they feel the need to go in and drastically change everything. After three years of data from the community you'd think they have a virtually perfect BoP by now.Those power reductions are enormous. Some cars getting weight added as well, just to add to it.
The whole category is going to feel very strange after this.
I am not sure why they feel the need? Maybe they're trying to make the cars easier to drive? In which case, I'd rather see the tires (specifically RH tires) have better coefficient of friction to something better than ice rather than Nerfing all the cars' performance numbers.
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I think Mikhail Hizal tweeted something a couple weeks back about Polyphony seeing a significant traction difference between FRs and MRs in low speed corners. They didn't like it and then the recent Fuji round really showed it up with the Hards. Something vaguely along those lines at least.
If that's the case, I guess they decided to reduce the power of the FR cars so they're less likely to break traction, then reduce the power of the MR cars for parity? 🤷‍♂️
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This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:
Gran Turismo 7’s Latest BOP Update Just Nerfed Every Gr.3 Car
The latest Gran Turismo 7 update, released today, has brought a surprising change through what looks like a complete rework of the Balance of Performance (BOP) in the core esports category just a week before the 2025 season officially gets underway...
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
Hopefully the massive wholesale nerfing across the board will make the racing closer. I wonder if this new BOP is closer to what IRL GT3 racing is.
Now I’m just anxiously awaiting for the tracks and multipliers. Amazing enough, my work schedule is going to line up to where I’ll be able to make 5 of 6 rounds.
Not to mention the new Sophy stuff will be fun to utilize for race strategy practice
Now I’m just anxiously awaiting for the tracks and multipliers. Amazing enough, my work schedule is going to line up to where I’ll be able to make 5 of 6 rounds.
Not to mention the new Sophy stuff will be fun to utilize for race strategy practice
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I’m not sure why all the meta hate comes out, the reality is one thing is better than the other and more people can extract that from it.
In every race team I’ve been apart of we always wanted to extract more than the rest and if we had an advantage (engine, ARB slackness etc)
Not one race car is made equal, and if they are (single make) the teams have some things to adjust to make them less equal than others
Honestly it’s not the cars mostly it’s the people are inconsistent, some cars are better than others but I’d worry about drivers more than cars to be honest.
In every race team I’ve been apart of we always wanted to extract more than the rest and if we had an advantage (engine, ARB slackness etc)
Not one race car is made equal, and if they are (single make) the teams have some things to adjust to make them less equal than others
Honestly it’s not the cars mostly it’s the people are inconsistent, some cars are better than others but I’d worry about drivers more than cars to be honest.
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How are first impressions after the BOP change?
For me, I think they might have made the cars with turbos a bit harder to handle by dropping the power so much. Could just be my driving style needing tweaks though, as haven't spent a huge amount of time on it today.
I've been testing things over the last few days, currently looking at Nissan. I did a full length race test of the final Nurburgring round for comparison against the Corvette. Found the 2018 GT-R to be a lot nicer on handling than the Corvette, much better on fuel etc.
Jump in today to see how it fares with the new BOP and now I'm really struggling in the low speed corners, which is kind of ironic considering Hizal's post about FR traction in those.
I think the problem is that with the reduced power, you need to push the throttle harder to keep the same speed up, which in turn causes the turbo to spool up mid-corner and give you a sudden jolt. I'm finding it very twitchy trying to get the GT-R around the Mercedes Arena now, as an example.
For me, I think they might have made the cars with turbos a bit harder to handle by dropping the power so much. Could just be my driving style needing tweaks though, as haven't spent a huge amount of time on it today.
I've been testing things over the last few days, currently looking at Nissan. I did a full length race test of the final Nurburgring round for comparison against the Corvette. Found the 2018 GT-R to be a lot nicer on handling than the Corvette, much better on fuel etc.
Jump in today to see how it fares with the new BOP and now I'm really struggling in the low speed corners, which is kind of ironic considering Hizal's post about FR traction in those.
I think the problem is that with the reduced power, you need to push the throttle harder to keep the same speed up, which in turn causes the turbo to spool up mid-corner and give you a sudden jolt. I'm finding it very twitchy trying to get the GT-R around the Mercedes Arena now, as an example.
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Just try turning in at a higher speed
and coasting earlier for the apexes. Honestly I did the AM cars (both) the Genesis, Supra, GTR 18, the Merc and even the MCL F1 in the high bop daily at Monza.
There is nothing weirdly changed other than the cars are more about speed management now rather than just power and traction.
A lot more cars are viable and generally all the cars are easier to drive, as you say you have to commit to lines earlier but that’s what I mean about momentum vs stop go brake power cars.
Metagame - Wikipedia
You can see that even in this article it's occasionally abbreviated as "meta".
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Also from Wikipedia (actually linked from the page you posted). Did you consider it's possible both could be true?Metagame - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
You can see that even in this article it's occasionally abbreviated as "meta".
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I haven't done much driving in the Gr.3 cars, but I did manage to run some car tests early this morning before I'd learned how the details of the BoP change. They were all at Autopolis on RM tires in these cars:
- Ford Mustang Gr.3
- Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3
- Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
All three of those cars are naturally aspirated and seemed pretty stable putting the power down. The only turbo car I have on my short list is the Ford GT Race Car '18. I expect I'll be able to get some laps in that one tonight to see how it compares.
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Yep, exactly that. Fighting the muscle memory, releasing the brakes a little earlier and trusting the car to turn in made things so much more manageable. I wasn't expecting to have to make such a conscious effort to change my driving style because of a BOP change, but there it is.Just try turning in at a higher speed
I've just completed another full length GT1 run of the Nurburgring Endurance round in race conditions to compare against the old BOP. My previous run in the GT-R on Tuesday took 40:47. Today took 41:04, although a second or two of that can be attributed to having to pass an AI car at the start of the Nordschleife on lap 4 since it didn't pit at the end of lap 3 like everyone else.
I couldn't see any discernable change to tyre wear from the reduced power, although I did have a few percent more fuel when I went to pit at the end of lap 3.
The GT-Rs top speed along the Dottinger Hohe was about 7-8mph/11-13kph down compared to v1.56.
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