Gran Turismo World Series (2025 Manufacturers Cup | April 2 - April 19)

[Moose78]

Here are the results from some 5-lap tests at Sardenga for my short list of manufacturers -- Chevy, Ford, and Jag. This might be the first time I've driven this layout in reverse, so there is a lot of variability in the numbers. Still, guess who came out on top?

Manufacturer	Model	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Jaguar	F-type Gr.3	1:44.383	1:44.623	1:45.338	8:46.691
Ford	Ford GT Race Car '18	1:44.503	1:44.503	1:45.870	8:49.351
Chevrolet	Corvette C7 Gr.3	1:45.161	1:45.451	1:46.318	8:51.588
Ford	Mustang Gr.3	1:46.753	1:46.753	1:47.682	8:58.409
Ford	Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car	1:46.416	1:47.029	1:47.817	8:59.083
Ford	Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II	1:46.517	1:46.707	1:47.915	8:59.576

As for tire wear, for all of the MR cars, the tires were at 90%. In the FR cars, the front left was slightly worse at 85%.

 

[Moose78]

But likely a moot point. Wednesday time-slots are, 8:00P, 10:00P, and midnight. Midnight on a Wednesday for a race that will take over an hour for qual time plus race time? Seriously? Thanks Kaz

I can see drivers on the west coast considering this an improvement. I'm with you, though. Not a lot of feasible options for us on the east coast.

Round 4 Spa:
The mediums will go more-or-less the entire race if you need them to, but with loss of performance. Mandatory Pit Stop! Fuel will get you about ~18 laps, more if you save. Might, maybe, be possible to do it without refueling, saving time in the pits.

These race settings looks very similar to one of the long daily race C we had a while back, where rain could hit the track around lap 8. I wouldn't be surprised if we get dynamic weather in this one, too.

 

[Talon16]

I can see drivers on the west coast considering this an improvement. I'm with you, though. Not a lot of feasible options for us on the east coast.

Time zones are all but a moot point IF THEY ADDED MORE TIME SLOTS! West coast people can join the later slots and East coast people can join the earlier slots. It's even worse in AO as the user from New Zealand's three slots are at the whee hours of the morning.

I am not trying to make three slots work for everyone, or getting frustrated the three provided don't work for me; I am pushing to add more so everyone can find at least one that works for them regardless of where they live within their respective region. Trying to make three slots work for 1/3 of the world (for all intents and purposes) is a fool's errand.

GT2/3 people don't have a problem finding a time slot that works form them, simply because there are more. Anyway, I digress... it's beyond obvious by now that PD/Kaz don't care.

 

[Fezzik]

I think I’m going to have to skip round 1. Even after 3 years I still don’t know this track well enough to race safely, especially the second half. Don’t want to cause a crash by lifting or braking somewhere that everyone following does flat. Much better to do Interlagos practice instead.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I can see that, but then when people deliberately do 360 no scopes or wild overtakes is somehow ok?

I don’t like seal clubbing either and I don’t particularly think 360 no scopes are great either but here we are.

Oh absolutely 💯 I make sure to only do that when it's a friend starting behind or a streamer I'm watching so I can see and enjoy how annoyed they are!

I will be fairly honest, it’s ok they have their own race but a couple of things is mentality, separate the lobbies by age firstly.

That solves a lot of those issues is kids get to learn to race.

It’s utterly poor racing, the game and life hasn’t taught them any thing :/ so as a person who has passed through 3 times, I appreciate your view but it’s from a talking about top split towers or A+ level mate.

I don't think age would work if the idea is to separate based on ability or mentality, partially because there are always exceptions to the rule, ie an actual child qualified for the most recent live finals and there are some people old enough to know better who will run you off the road if that's what it needs for the win, there is one Italian who is in his mid 40s who is notorious for it! The other reason is anybody under 18 would just lie when they set their age up on the PSN account, there is no reason not to because it just limits your account, I was a lot younger when the PS3 came out so my account is now showing me as a 110 year old because I wanted to play GTA back then!

It's interesting to see others opinions and I'm sure mine are very different to those at the top of the game. It's a massive shame that only those who are eSport level and therefore playing on wheels have a way to give feedback to PD, that is hurting development and the enjoyment for the silent majority.

So the race length should be consistent for leagues to make it more accessible but the cars can’t be dialled down to make them more usable for a wider range of people?

There are already options to dial the cars down, if they're too nervous on power it's up to the play to put traction control on max, the assists are there for a reason. I wouldn't say running cars with 60 hp less than the real thing is a proper solution.

 

[MIE1992]

Unfortunately I won't be able to make that second round at Interlagos, since I'll be spending the day in NYC with my cousin and her fiancee. However, I'm definitely looking forward to the other rounds, including that first one at the Nurburgring! Likely gonna sign with Genesis again, since I drive a Kia and both my parents drive Genesis models.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Oh absolutely 💯 I make sure to only do that when it's a friend starting behind or a streamer I'm watching

You see the irony? If you don’t let me spell int out to you.

In lower fidelity lobbies they see you or Rory do that stuff and it looks fun. They don’t have the control or fidelity but are driving like morons with all the assists on. So you do you but people watch those shorts mate and want to replicate them but don’t have the control or race craft fidelity. Consider that for one second.

There are already options to dial the cars down, if they're too nervous on power it's up to the play to put traction control on max, the assists are there for a reason. I wouldn't say running cars with 60 hp less than the real thing is a proper solution.

They chose this option to balance the cars, it’s just not the one you wanted or I wanted but it is what is. I’ve moaned about it in the daily thread where it makes a difference this is one off races not races you do 10/20 times a week.

 

[A1an]

Here are the results from some 5-lap tests at Sardenga for my short list of manufacturers -- Chevy, Ford, and Jag. This might be the first time I've driven this layout in reverse, so there is a lot of variability in the numbers. Still, guess who came out on top?

Manufacturer	Model	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Jaguar	F-type Gr.3	1:44.383	1:44.623	1:45.338	8:46.691
Ford	Ford GT Race Car '18	1:44.503	1:44.503	1:45.870	8:49.351
Chevrolet	Corvette C7 Gr.3	1:45.161	1:45.451	1:46.318	8:51.588
Ford	Mustang Gr.3	1:46.753	1:46.753	1:47.682	8:58.409
Ford	Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car	1:46.416	1:47.029	1:47.817	8:59.083
Ford	Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II	1:46.517	1:46.707	1:47.915	8:59.576

As for tire wear, for all of the MR cars, the tires were at 90%. In the FR cars, the front left was slightly worse at 85%.

So the Jaguar is the go to car or the Ford GT 18?

It seems to be between these two from your testing, but is the MR of the Ford still giving an edge, because the previous BoP negatively affected the FR cars.

 

[meekrab]

Time zones are all but a moot point IF THEY ADDED MORE TIME SLOTS! West coast people can join the later slots and East coast people can join the earlier slots. It's even worse in AO as the user from New Zealand's three slots are at the whee hours of the morning.

I am not trying to make three slots work for everyone, or getting frustrated the three provided don't work for me; I am pushing to add more so everyone can find at least one that works for them regardless of where they live within their respective region. Trying to make three slots work for 1/3 of the world (for all intents and purposes) is a fool's errand.

GT2/3 people don't have a problem finding a time slot that works form them, simply because there are more. Anyway, I digress... it's beyond obvious by now that PD/Kaz don't care.

There aren't really enough players for more slots, even the third slot is often a ghost town.

 

[dazdilly75]

You see the irony? If you don’t let me spell int out to you.

In lower fidelity lobbies they see you or Rory do that stuff and it looks fun. They don’t have the control or fidelity but are driving like morons with all the assists on. So you do you but people watch those shorts mate and want to replicate them but don’t have the control or race craft fidelity. Consider that for one second.


They chose this option to balance the cars, it’s just not the one you wanted or I wanted but it is what is. I’ve moaned about it in the daily thread where it makes a difference this is one off races not races you do 10/20 times a week.

Do you really think content creators have that much power/influence over the GT community, that people will want to go out and copy them? You have to be a weak minded individual to want to do that. They're not saving the world. They're making gaming content on a relatively small scale compared to other big time content creators out there. That's just my opinion.

 

[Talon16]

There aren't really enough players for more slots, even the third slot is often a ghost town.

There are. You're looking at it the wrong way. More slots means MORE players can play, not less.

Shouldn't be much of a surprise the third slot is a ghost town when it's at:

EDT: Midnight
CDT: 11:00P
MDT: 10:00P

The player base isn't the problem, it's the fact so many would need to join the last Wednesday time slot not on Wednesday... rather on Thursday morning.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

They chose this option to balance the cars, it’s just not the one you wanted or I wanted but it is what is. I’ve moaned about it in the daily thread where it makes a difference this is one off races not races you do 10/20 times a week.

The problem for me is that it hasn't balanced the cars, the BOP was working fairly well before the update but now it's dominated by the FR's, the top MR on this weeks Monza leaderboard is half a second off the top with a player who is just as good as anybody above him. It's even worse in race because they're losing most of that speed on the straights so if you pick half of the cars it's impossible to overtake without divebombing people, whether you race a race once or 100 times you're going to have the same frustration.

 

[Moose78]

So the Jaguar is the go to car or the Ford GT 18?

It seems to be between these two from your testing, but is the MR of the Ford still giving an edge, because the previous BoP negatively affected the FR cars.

It does seem to be coming down to a choice between Jaguar and Ford for me. And you're right, for Ford it is the GT '18 car -- the other Fords don't seem to be competitive anywhere.

The two cars offer different advantages, I'd say. The Jag has been showing that it has great pace in dry conditions. The Ford is better in the wet, and has a higher top speed, which could be helpful on the Dottinger straight.

There are only a couple races -- Nuburgring and Spa -- that seem likely to have rain. Suzuka, in theory, could, but since it is requiring two slick compounds, that seem very unlikely. I don't know if it is worth taking a hit on four dry races to have an advantage at two of them.

On the other hand, how they perform as tires wear down is still pretty unclear to me. All of my tests have been much shorter than what the full race will be. The Jag might only be fast for a few laps before the tire wear slows it down. I need to run some longer tests yet to figure that out.

In the end, it's only a game. Nothing important is riding on my decision. I'm sure all the testing I do is not worth the time it takes. I do it because I like to test the cars and see how they perform. Ultimately it doesn't matter which one I pick. I'll still be kicking around the bottom of DR A when the season is all over.

 

[bduddy]

The problem for me is that it hasn't balanced the cars, the BOP was working fairly well before the update but now it's dominated by the FR's, the top MR on this weeks Monza leaderboard is half a second off the top with a player who is just as good as anybody above him. It's even worse in race because they're losing most of that speed on the straights so if you pick half of the cars it's impossible to overtake without divebombing people, whether you race a race once or 100 times you're going to have the same frustration.

Monza is an extreme power track, it's not fair to say that just because times are different there that the cars "aren't balanced". It was wide consensus that MR cars were too good before the patch.

 

[D_Dragline]

Here are the results from some 5-lap tests at Sardenga for my short list of manufacturers -- Chevy, Ford, and Jag. This might be the first time I've driven this layout in reverse, so there is a lot of variability in the numbers. Still, guess who came out on top?

Manufacturer	Model	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Jaguar	F-type Gr.3	1:44.383	1:44.623	1:45.338	8:46.691
Ford	Ford GT Race Car '18	1:44.503	1:44.503	1:45.870	8:49.351
Chevrolet	Corvette C7 Gr.3	1:45.161	1:45.451	1:46.318	8:51.588
Ford	Mustang Gr.3	1:46.753	1:46.753	1:47.682	8:58.409
Ford	Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car	1:46.416	1:47.029	1:47.817	8:59.083
Ford	Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II	1:46.517	1:46.707	1:47.915	8:59.576

As for tire wear, for all of the MR cars, the tires were at 90%. In the FR cars, the front left was slightly worse at 85%.

I've tested 31 of the 48* Group 3s at Sardegna. There are some big surprises in this new (u)BoP.

Of the 6 you've posted my order is identical except I have the Corvette and GT 18 around the other way.

Right now I'm considering Jag (I used to drive them in Manu all the time), Aston Martin, Mazda and 2 VERY left-field manufacturers in Hyundai and Citroen.

*-I'm counting the 2 M6 variants as a single car.

 

[911RSR]

Sorry for asking a probably stupid question, but can somebody please explain to me what "do 360 no scopes" means?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Sorry for asking a probably stupid question, but can somebody please explain to me what "do 360 no scopes" means?

It's when you deliberately spin the car like this:



I haven't actually seen anybody else try it yet.

Monza is an extreme power track, it's not fair to say that just because times are different there that the cars "aren't balanced". It was wide consensus that MR cars were too good before the patch.

We'll see but I suspect the run from the chicane up to turn 1 at Grand Valley this week, then Dottinger Hohe in GTWS will be a bloodbath for cars like the Porsche.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Sorry for asking a probably stupid question, but can somebody please explain to me what "do 360 no scopes" means?

It's a rif that comes from FPS games with sniper class and must be 20+ years old now. My son was notorious for doing them when he was a teenager.

 

[VTEC Driver]

Yesterday I tried a few Gr.3 cars at Nurb simulating last 3 laps race with some rain expected during the 2nd lap.

Honda NSX is quite stable but on the curbs is quite tough meaning could easily bring instability.
Peugeot RCZ is very easy to drive even if i noticed an increased understeer than before (maybe just an impression or Nurb characteristic).

Then I took again the Ford GT '18 that I have already used in the last two GTWS edition.
I find myself very comfortable in driving her.
It doesn't mean that it is faster, but I can easily control and driving without stress (I have already to manage the stress coming from the other drivers... so a if I can reduce one element of stress it is better...

I am a lower B driver, so my lack of skills could bring me to prefer cars that are more predictable, not necessarily faster.

I need much more driving hours on the other car before to select another car, and keeping driving the same is not helpful.
Moreveor the daily races are more and more full of drive bombing people... so I cannot make so much experience with other cars...
...biting my tail...

 

[bliprunner]

Can anyone say what page 1 of the practice leaderboard looks like? Any interesting cars at the sharp end? What's the pace like?

Haven't signed yet so I can't look myself. Did some laps in the Merc and it went well in the dry, need to have a go in the wet later...

I don't mind the way the new BOP weight feels but I do think it's weird you can be so aggressive on the throttle and not break traction, in a GT3 car with TC0. But let's see what the racing is like...

 

[911RSR]

Thanks @GOTMAXPOWER and @Dragonwhisky for clearing this up for me.
Looking at the vid is one of those moments when you think you've seen it all and realise, you haven't!

 

[Zorz]

Can anyone say what page 1 of the practice leaderboard looks like? Any interesting cars at the sharp end? What's the pace like?

Haven't signed yet so I can't look myself. Did some laps in the Merc and it went well in the dry, need to have a go in the wet later...

I don't mind the way the new BOP weight feels but I do think it's weird you can be so aggressive on the throttle and not break traction, in a GT3 car with TC0. But let's see what the racing is like...

Top Mercedes is #15 with a 7:50.406 with #24-26 all being Mercedes too in the 7:50.9 to 7:51.0 range and a few more across the top 100. Definitely looks viable.

I think Renault's been a big beneficiary from the new BOP. There weren't many of them in the exhibition season where we were both Renault a few months back, and there's currently 9 of them on the first page alone.

 

[Moose78]

Results from 7-lap tests at Suzuka for Chevy, Ford, and Jaguar on RS tires (by total time):

Manufacturer	Model	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Jaguar	F-type Gr.3	1:58.648	2:02.172	2:02.500	14:17.497
Ford	Ford GT Race Car '18	1:59.690	2:02.742	2:03.001	14:21.005
Ford	Mustang Gr.3	1:59.812	2:02.818	2:03.464	14:24.251
Chevrolet	Corvette C7 Gr.3	2:00.357	2:03.690	2:03.664	14:25.650
Ford	Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II	2:00.477	2:04.077	2:04.174	14:29.219
Ford	Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car	2:01.255	2:04.195	2:05.040	14:35.281

Tread levels at finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Chevrolet	Corvette C7 Gr.3	50%	55%	70%	70%
Jaguar	F-type Gr.3	60%	60%	75%	75%
Ford	Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II	65%	65%	70%	70%
Ford	Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car	65%	65%	70%	70%
Ford	Ford GT Race Car '18	65%	65%	70%	70%
Ford	Mustang Gr.3	45%	45%	70%	70%

 

[Fezzik]

What have those monsters done to my lovely old GT LMs?

 

[bliprunner]

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Top Mercedes is #15 with a 7:50.406 with #24-26 all being Mercedes too in the 7:50.9 to 7:51.0 range and a few more across the top 100. Definitely looks viable.

I think Renault's been a big beneficiary from the new BOP. There weren't many of them in the exhibition season where we were both Renault a few months back, and there's currently 9 of them on the first page alone.

Cheers! I used Renault the season before last, was quick enough then to get decent results, plus very good on fuel.

 

[AlexWilmot]

I’m going with Chevrolet for this season

 

[OJBrit]

(and light for the peasantry).

Hey! I resemble that remark.

 

[TBR 427]

Finished up the strategy post for this season, covering all the important tracks.

Some good chance for strategy this season, will be interesting to see how much it actually matters or if brute pace will turn out to be more important. Even in full-dry at the N'Ring some might be split on taking fresh Hards, and when exactly to pit at Spa and Suzuka could throw up some nice chances for big IQ moves.

Rain at Nurburgring and Spa could wreck havoc with those races, as will the lack of damage (why bother being clean if you can't be DR reset mid-season and it'll magically heal?). I guess they thought that the penalty system wasn't robust enough to police things and it's all to easy for un-involved bystanders to have their race ruined through no fault of their own.

 

[A1an]

It does seem to be coming down to a choice between Jaguar and Ford for me. And you're right, for Ford it is the GT '18 car -- the other Fords don't seem to be competitive anywhere.

The two cars offer different advantages, I'd say. The Jag has been showing that it has great pace in dry conditions. The Ford is better in the wet, and has a higher top speed, which could be helpful on the Dottinger straight.

There are only a couple races -- Nuburgring and Spa -- that seem likely to have rain. Suzuka, in theory, could, but since it is requiring two slick compounds, that seem very unlikely. I don't know if it is worth taking a hit on four dry races to have an advantage at two of them.

On the other hand, how they perform as tires wear down is still pretty unclear to me. All of my tests have been much shorter than what the full race will be. The Jag might only be fast for a few laps before the tire wear slows it down. I need to run some longer tests yet to figure that out.

In the end, it's only a game. Nothing important is riding on my decision. I'm sure all the testing I do is not worth the time it takes. I do it because I like to test the cars and see how they perform. Ultimately it doesn't matter which one I pick. I'll still be kicking around the bottom of DR A when the season is all over.

Thank you, I was hoping you were going to say the Ford was the better car as I have not tried that one yet, going to try it in a bit, the Jag wasn't as bad as I remember it being when I tried it saturday.

 

[Fezzik]

Mikail confirming that it is random weather for Wednesday, rather than a set pattern we've seen in previous races.