Gran Turismo World Series (2025 Manufacturers Cup | April 2 - April 19)
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Still on the fence whether I am going to participate or not. But I have been practicing at the Nuburgring
For anyone wanting to practice bumper to bumper racing, and figure some kind of passing strategy, try out the new Sophy custom race, not the exact same track layout, but close enough. Start mid pack with 20 cars, there is no room for mistake. It is actually very fun and you will gain good experience. It does not simulate the unpredictability of a human racer, so make sure you get some lobby practice too :-).
For anyone wanting to practice bumper to bumper racing, and figure some kind of passing strategy, try out the new Sophy custom race, not the exact same track layout, but close enough. Start mid pack with 20 cars, there is no room for mistake. It is actually very fun and you will gain good experience. It does not simulate the unpredictability of a human racer, so make sure you get some lobby practice too :-).
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- Australia
I have finished BoP testing all the Gr3 cars. 4 Laps each at Sardegna A reverse on Hard tyres. Using the optimal lap time as the guide to potential.
Hyundai tops my list, but I have also tried it at GV in the daily race and it's not very good there, so there may be something fishy about that time. I will probably see if i can replicate that particular run tonight. The rest I'm relatively comfortable with.
I am very disappointed with the huge nerf that the Alfa has received. As my go-to for several seasons, it is now horribly uncompetitive.
Just as a general note, some (many) of these are more indicative of how I gel with a car than the car's ultimate potential. For example I have never gotten along with the M6, even when it has been the clear meta.
I haven't yet committed to a manufacturer, but my most likely candidates are now Jag, Mazda, Citroen or Aston.
Hyundai tops my list, but I have also tried it at GV in the daily race and it's not very good there, so there may be something fishy about that time. I will probably see if i can replicate that particular run tonight. The rest I'm relatively comfortable with.
I am very disappointed with the huge nerf that the Alfa has received. As my go-to for several seasons, it is now horribly uncompetitive.
Just as a general note, some (many) of these are more indicative of how I gel with a car than the car's ultimate potential. For example I have never gotten along with the M6, even when it has been the clear meta.
I haven't yet committed to a manufacturer, but my most likely candidates are now Jag, Mazda, Citroen or Aston.
| Make | Model | Optimal |
| Hyundai | Genesis | 01:43.401 |
| Jaguar | F-Type | 01:43.487 |
| Porsche | 911 | 01:43.618 |
| Volkswagen | Beetle | 01:43.641 |
| Mazda | RXV | 01:43.661 |
| Nissan | GT-R 18 | 01:43.672 |
| Lamborghini | Huracan | 01:43.710 |
| Citroen | GT | 01:43.745 |
| Subaru | WRX | 01:43.751 |
| Renault | R.S.01 | 01:43.769 |
| Aston Martin | Vantage | 01:43.786 |
| Honda | NSX | 01:43.804 |
| BMW | Z4 | 01:43.870 |
| Genesis | X | 01:43.894 |
| McLaren | 650S | 01:43.904 |
| Audi | R8 '19 | 01:44.001 |
| Toyota | Supra 18 | 01:44.023 |
| Nissan | GT-R GT-500 | 01:44.089 |
| BMW | M6 | 01:44.166 |
| AMG | GT '20 | 01:44.207 |
| Chevrolet | Corvette | 01:44.215 |
| Volkswagen | GTI VGT | 01:44.257 |
| Mitsubishi | Lancer Evo Final | 01:44.333 |
| Peugeot | RCZ | 01:44.337 |
| Toyota | FT-1 | 01:44.357 |
| Peugeot | VGT | 01:44.408 |
| Nissan | GT-R 13 | 01:44.433 |
| Lexus | RCF Prototype | 01:44.439 |
| Ford | GT Race | 01:44.447 |
| Suzuki | VGT | 01:44.456 |
| Lexus | RCF | 01:44.476 |
| Audi | R8 '15 | 01:44.571 |
| Alfa Romeo | 4C | 01:44.678 |
| Dodge | Viper | 01:44.759 |
| Ferrari | 458 | 01:44.800 |
| McLaren | F1 GTR | 01:44.834 |
| Toyota | Supra 97 | 01:44.880 |
| Subaru | BRZ | 01:44.912 |
| Aston Martin | DBR9 | 01:44.918 |
| AMG | GT '16 | 01:44.950 |
| Ford | Mustang | 01:45.001 |
| BMW | M3 | 01:45.063 |
| Honda | NSX GT500 | 01:45.079 |
| Mazda | Atenza | 01:45.263 |
| Ford | GT LM Test | 01:45.519 |
| Ford | GT LM Race | 01:45.902 |
| AMG | SLS | 01:46.003 |
| Nissan | Skyline SS | 01:46.160 |
- 759
- Canada
- moosethemooche78
This is a really surprising reordering of the category. I never thought I'd see Hyundai topping any list, but with Jaguar, Volkswagen, Citroen, and Subaru WRX(!) in the top ten, and the Nissan, Supra, and AMG so far down, it seems like the category has nearly completely flipped. The Porsche is the only car sitting where I would have expected it.
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- Paint booth
- FMecha_EXE
After considering between Ferrari, Honda, BMW, Toyota, Lexus, and Nissan, I've went for Honda this year.
- 50
- Italy
I am continuing the tests with some other Gr3 cars.
I bought the Jaguar, never driven before.
It is nice, power and quite balanced, but not secure to be able to manage in all the tracks.
I have the feeling that to take the best you need some good skills and experience, and being only 24 hours before the event it is a little bit late...
I bought the Renault RS 01, never driven before.
It is strange, there is always understeer just before entering in the curve, but immediately after it keeps the trajectory.
It is like I need to steer before than needed, and the the curve will come out automatically.
When breaking it seems so light in the front, low direction. You take out the feet from the brakes and suddenly is inside the curve.
I bought the Aston Martin Vantage... wow... the engine is a blast. Push incredibly well.
This last one I tried only at Le Mans, at the moment she is the faster.
Tonight I will try at the Nurb.
Now the main issue is that I don't have experience with those cars on other tracks and I don't know the behavior under the rain.
I have to decide if jump in the black hole of an unknown car apparently faster, or keep the known and just build some more racing experience.
I think that I need a quite humble approach, I am a beginner and I need to build a lot of experience before looking at frills.
So most probably the Ford will be my choice for the third time, so at least I know what to expect from her...
...and, unfortunately, I know what to expect from me and my low skills...
I bought the Jaguar, never driven before.
It is nice, power and quite balanced, but not secure to be able to manage in all the tracks.
I have the feeling that to take the best you need some good skills and experience, and being only 24 hours before the event it is a little bit late...
I bought the Renault RS 01, never driven before.
It is strange, there is always understeer just before entering in the curve, but immediately after it keeps the trajectory.
It is like I need to steer before than needed, and the the curve will come out automatically.
When breaking it seems so light in the front, low direction. You take out the feet from the brakes and suddenly is inside the curve.
I bought the Aston Martin Vantage... wow... the engine is a blast. Push incredibly well.
This last one I tried only at Le Mans, at the moment she is the faster.
Tonight I will try at the Nurb.
Now the main issue is that I don't have experience with those cars on other tracks and I don't know the behavior under the rain.
I have to decide if jump in the black hole of an unknown car apparently faster, or keep the known and just build some more racing experience.
I think that I need a quite humble approach, I am a beginner and I need to build a lot of experience before looking at frills.
So most probably the Ford will be my choice for the third time, so at least I know what to expect from her...
...and, unfortunately, I know what to expect from me and my low skills...
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- United Kingdom
- Hasnain282
Going with Honda as usual for official season
Will try and enter as many as possible but I don't race as much these days so not expecting much but hopefully can have some fun
Will be away at the end of April so will miss a few rounds, also means that I won't have the schedule table for Nations up when it is announced
Will try and enter as many as possible but I don't race as much these days so not expecting much but hopefully can have some fun
Will be away at the end of April so will miss a few rounds, also means that I won't have the schedule table for Nations up when it is announced
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- United Kingdom
Thank you @Moose78 for the time and effort you have put into the testing, I have decided on the car based on my testing here https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...unbelievably-hard.407955/page-6#post-14432994
I will be in the Ford as well, during my testing (linked above) the Jaguar really wore the front tires, the Ford not so much and with the Ford I was getting faster, well later in the race I was still getting the odd faster lap where in the Jaguar it was more of the same, maybe the Jaguar is better but maybe I am not good enough to use it or the Ford suits my driving style better.
Good luck @Moose78 and @VTEC Driver this season 🙂
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- Washinton, DC
- The_Revengel
So much this.
Actually, at one point I was doing exactly what you have here to test a few cars and it came down to AMG and BMW for me.
I have a great deal of positive races with the Bavarian, so I'll take this season on driving for them again.
Granted, I'll be lucky if I'm in the top 3 in my county much less my state. Still, I plan to give it all I've got.
- 2,606
- Glasgow
- stpatty
Alright, season 2025 livery launch photos:
Tried to do multiple things at once on the livery, still not fully happy with it. The metallic red is a Nissan paint but it looks like the Atenza Gr.3 to me. The red/black/white is classic Nissan/Nismo racing colours of course, I was trying to combine the old 240Z rally liveries, various Super GT schemes and the GTWS Nissan livery. The back is a straight copy of that. New overalls and helmet, though the helmet is basically the same as my old one except in red and with an extra part on it.
Good luck everyone, I hope your season goes well.
Tried to do multiple things at once on the livery, still not fully happy with it. The metallic red is a Nissan paint but it looks like the Atenza Gr.3 to me. The red/black/white is classic Nissan/Nismo racing colours of course, I was trying to combine the old 240Z rally liveries, various Super GT schemes and the GTWS Nissan livery. The back is a straight copy of that. New overalls and helmet, though the helmet is basically the same as my old one except in red and with an extra part on it.
Good luck everyone, I hope your season goes well.
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- East Yorkshire
- Zorzil
I see it's time to post manufacturer photos again. 
Here's hoping the GT-R holds up well, first time I've ever picked Nissan I think. It certainly feels more my style than the Corvette did at least!
I see there's still going to be Porsches everywhere. GT Engine put up another message with the first picture to fix the cropping issues.
Here's hoping the GT-R holds up well, first time I've ever picked Nissan I think. It certainly feels more my style than the Corvette did at least!
I see there's still going to be Porsches everywhere. GT Engine put up another message with the first picture to fix the cropping issues.
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- Italy
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- SPDN_Stefano
- SPDN Stefano
Noob question, in qualifying, how much time will we have to finish the lap after the initial timer reaches zero?
Just did GT2 Slot 2 Asia/Oceania. My race was pretty uneventful, which at a wet Nurburgring is probably good.
I started P3 which was a surprise for me. 5 seconds off pole though. I got passed early on by a faster driver, but was increasing the gap to those behind. Track started getting wet near the end of lap 1, so I followed P1 and P2 into the pits for IM tyres. P3 made a poor choice and stayed out, so I got my place back. It was wet for the rest of the race (IMs got a bit sketchy midway, but no blue appeared on the water level indicator) with a dry line forming during lap 5. Finished where I started in P3.
I started P3 which was a surprise for me. 5 seconds off pole though. I got passed early on by a faster driver, but was increasing the gap to those behind. Track started getting wet near the end of lap 1, so I followed P1 and P2 into the pits for IM tyres. P3 made a poor choice and stayed out, so I got my place back. It was wet for the rest of the race (IMs got a bit sketchy midway, but no blue appeared on the water level indicator) with a dry line forming during lap 5. Finished where I started in P3.
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- Germany
- Pau1_13th
Alright thank you for the insight
I would have to guess since i never ran out of time, but would say enough for a whole lap...
- 684
- East Yorkshire
- Zorzil
I believe it's something like 9 minutes to complete your flying lap after the timer expires. It's very, very lenient on rounds involving the Nordschleife.
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- Germany
- timekiller001
I don't know in this case. But in the past they did have a long time running, but also the initial qualifying time was less. But it will be enough so that everyone can manage one full lap after the long outlap
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