Gran Turismo World Series (2025 Manufacturers Cup | April 2 - April 19)

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I wonder if we will be getting some new GT3/GR3 cars then, as the ones we have are pretty old now, hence this BoP update?

They have reduced power -41ps and added more weight +10kg to the Viper that was really poor before the update, I used it for the Manufactures Cup!

There has been a -41kg to the Aston Martin Vantage I mean okay, it's not going to encourage me to use it as I feel I am sitting in the boot/trunk when driving in VR!
 
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I wonder if we will be getting some new GT3/GR3 cars then, as the ones we have are pretty old now, hence this BoP update?

They have reduced power -41ps and added more weight +10kg to the Viper that was really poor before the update, I used it for the Manufactures Cup!

There has been a -41kg to the Aston Martin Vantage I mean okay, it's not going to encourage me to use it as I feel I am sitting in the boot/trunk when driving in VR!
You know you can adjust your driving position in VR.
 
You know you can adjust your driving position in VR.
Yes I know, the seat in the car is too far back, I know where the front of the Viper is, but in the Aston (and some other cars) the front of the bonnet/hood is a mile away from where I am sitting.

I don't follow the thought process here, but also you shouldn't draw this conclusion.
They have been adjusting BoP for ages, why would they at once nerf all the GT3/GR3 cars so much, if there were still a couple of cars that were still OP or the opposite they would just adjust those cars to equalise them all, there has to be a reason, it cannot be just the GT3/GR3 cars are too far from GT4/GR4 and too close to GT2/GR2?

They said they made a mistake with the BoP last time as the FR cars were more disadvantaged (as a whole) than the MR cars, and yet this BoP update doesn't seem to address this being as across the board as it is.
 
I’m not sure why all the meta hate comes out, the reality is one thing is better than the other and more people can extract that from it.

In every race team I’ve been apart of we always wanted to extract more than the rest and if we had an advantage (engine, ARB slackness etc)

Not one race car is made equal, and if they are (single make) the teams have some things to adjust to make them less equal than others ;)

Honestly it’s not the cars mostly it’s the people are inconsistent, some cars are better than others but I’d worry about drivers more than cars to be honest.
It's not that there is a META car, it's that Kaz can make whatever car he wants to be the best one (based on sponsorships, for example). And it's often the Supra, GTR, or Genesis with BMW and Porsche getting the runner up. Meanwhile, there are other Gr cars that are forgotten because they just can't make times like the aforementioned. There's a reason that virtually every week the Gr3 Daily race is littered with Supras. It gets old after a while.

I haven't done much driving in the Gr.3 cars, but I did manage to run some car tests early this morning before I'd learned how the details of the BoP change. They were all at Autopolis on RM tires in these cars:
  1. Ford Mustang Gr.3
  2. Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3
  3. Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
One thing that I did notice is that all the cars seemed to be braking better than I expected. I'd apply the brakes at my usual marks, but the cars were coming up short of the apex. Had to delay braking to adjust. I realize now that the cars probably just weren't hitting the same speeds that they were under the old BoP, now that power has been reduced.

All three of those cars are naturally aspirated and seemed pretty stable putting the power down. The only turbo car I have on my short list is the Ford GT Race Car '18. I expect I'll be able to get some laps in that one tonight to see how it compares.
I think it's because the cars are just slower. The three you listed were three of the harder hit ones BoP wise in this update. All American cars, too; two of which were already pretty bad. Makes ya wonder don't it?
 
there has to be a reason
Sure, but what appears to be "to prepare for adding several new Gr.3 cars" doesn't look like a particularly solid one. Firstly because there's no reason they can't do both at the same time, but additionally because they've never added a bunch of Gr.3 cars - and indeed rarely add any at all. I think I've got six in my list, from the game's entire three-year, 105-car post-launch update life.

I'd be minded to go for "the tracks they've picked but not yet announced for GTWS resulted in a really heavy bias towards a couple of cars and the only way to counter it was a big ol' nerf". In fact I'm pretty sure it's for entirely GTWS reasons because... well, that starts on Wednesday.
 
It's not that there is a META car, it's that Kaz can make whatever car he wants to be the best one (based on sponsorships, for example). And it's often the Supra, GTR, or Genesis with BMW and Porsche getting the runner up. Meanwhile, there are other Gr cars that are forgotten because they just can't make times like the aforementioned. There's a reason that virtually every week the Gr3 Daily race is littered with Supras. It gets old after a while.


I think it's because the cars are just slower. The three you listed were three of the harder hit ones BoP wise in this update. All American cars, too; two of which were already pretty bad. Makes ya wonder don't it?
I agree, the problem I have is I don't like driving the Supra for some reason, I just can't gel with it, the Genesis I dislike due to the huge rear view screen on the dashboard as it is very distracting in VR.
 
The Manufacturers schedule is up.


Wednesday races are back to late evening times again. 🥳

Edit - Full race details aren't up on the website yet so just registered in-game to check out round 1.

GT1 is 5 laps Nurburgring Endurance, 1x fuel and 3x tyres, Hards/Inters/Wets and random rain. Restarted practice a few times and it's quite variable weather. Sometimes the radar starts with a massive blob of dark blue and green patches, other times clear.
 
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The Manufacturers schedule is up.


Wednesday races are back to late evening times again. 🥳
All Gr.3... Pretends to be shocked. Really these are all the same tracks we always see in Manus too, with the possible exception of Sardegna A in reverse instead of forwards like usual. Come on, PD, 39 locations and we get maybe 15 of them over and over again? We just ran the Nurburgring last week!!! And it looks like similar settings too...

Also, Manu round 1 is up in-game. I have no idea what to pick, so I'm just going to read through the T&C. Apparently you have to be 7 years old to drive in the online qualifiers (other than in Japan, where you only have to be 6!). The live event age limitations are unchanged. And yes, in case you were wondering, the top Croatian driver in each cup still wins a T-shirt.
 
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Oh boy, oh boy... Nurburgring is 5 laps for everyone this time. In fact there's no race length difference at all between the leagues this season, so everyone is on for 20 laps of Spa and 20 laps of Suzuka too. With the latest version of BoP turning gr3 into gr3.5 it wouldn't take a lot of inclement weather to turn these into races that at least threaten to breach the hour mark.
Be interesting to see the times at rd1 compared to the last round, I'm imagining a several-second delta.
 
Oh boy, oh boy... Nurburgring is 5 laps for everyone this time. In fact there's no race length difference at all between the leagues this season, so everyone is on for 20 laps of Spa and 20 laps of Suzuka too. With the latest version of BoP turning gr3 into gr3.5 it wouldn't take a lot of inclement weather to turn these into races that at least threaten to breach the hour mark.
Be interesting to see the times at rd1 compared to the last round, I'm imagining a several-second delta.
At Monza the the difference is about 2 seconds at the sharp end and 3 seconds for normal people :) so guessing it’s gonna roughly track the same through most of the circuits?
 
Not seeing anything too surprising in the new season. Mostly all tracks we've seen before. A couple sprints. A couple tire change race. That's fine. Just fine.

I've been testing out my short list of manufacturers - Chevy, Ford, and Jaguar -- in last season's races this week. I did the first two rounds before the BoP update, so I'm not going to bother sharing those. The third round at Autopolis was the first I did under the new BoP.

The headline: The Jag is surprisingly good.

I did 7-lap tests on the RM tires. Here are the results (by fastest total time):
ManufacturerModelOpt timeBest timeAvg TimeTotal time
JaguarF-type Gr.31:46.7351:49.0751:49.83912:48.875
FordFord GT Race Car '181:47.9991:49.8681:50.29412:52.058
FordFord GT LM Spec II Test Car1:47.8641:50.2951:50.42912:53.004
FordFord GT LM Race Car Spec II1:47.8161:50.1841:50.69812:54.883
ChevroletCorvette C7 Gr.31:48.0781:50.7261:50.93912:56.572
FordMustang Gr.31:48.0271:50.3751:50.94412:56.605

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Tire tread levels at finish:
ManufacturerModelFront leftFront rightRear leftRear right
ChevroletCorvette C7 Gr.315%55%70%75%
JaguarF-type Gr.310%50%70%75%
FordFord GT LM Race Car Spec II40%65%65%70%
FordFord GT LM Spec II Test Car40%65%65%70%
FordFord GT Race Car '1835%65%65%70%
FordMustang Gr.310%45%70%75%

I'm in the middle of doing a second set of tests at Autopolis on the RH tires. Not sure if I'll share those as they are very similar to these, with the Jag way faster than anything else.
 
Not seeing anything too surprising in the new season. Mostly all tracks we've seen before. A couple sprints. A couple tire change race. That's fine. Just fine.

I've been testing out my short list of manufacturers - Chevy, Ford, and Jaguar -- in last season's races this week. I did the first two rounds before the BoP update, so I'm not going to bother sharing those. The third round at Autopolis was the first I did under the new BoP.

The headline: The Jag is surprisingly good.

I did 7-lap tests on the RM tires. Here are the results (by fastest total time):
ManufacturerModelOpt timeBest timeAvg TimeTotal time
JaguarF-type Gr.31:46.7351:49.0751:49.83912:48.875
FordFord GT Race Car '181:47.9991:49.8681:50.29412:52.058
FordFord GT LM Spec II Test Car1:47.8641:50.2951:50.42912:53.004
FordFord GT LM Race Car Spec II1:47.8161:50.1841:50.69812:54.883
ChevroletCorvette C7 Gr.31:48.0781:50.7261:50.93912:56.572
FordMustang Gr.31:48.0271:50.3751:50.94412:56.605

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Tire tread levels at finish:
ManufacturerModelFront leftFront rightRear leftRear right
ChevroletCorvette C7 Gr.315%55%70%75%
JaguarF-type Gr.310%50%70%75%
FordFord GT LM Race Car Spec II40%65%65%70%
FordFord GT LM Spec II Test Car40%65%65%70%
FordFord GT Race Car '1835%65%65%70%
FordMustang Gr.310%45%70%75%

I'm in the middle of doing a second set of tests at Autopolis on the RH tires. Not sure if I'll share those as they are very similar to these, with the Jag way faster than anything else.
Do you think that the Ford GT Race Car '18 is more easy to drive compared to the Jaguar?
I mean, could it be possible that it is easier to control and then you can drive it more relaxed?
 
Do you think that the Ford GT Race Car '18 is more easy to drive compared to the Jaguar?
I mean, could it be possible that it is easier to control and then you can drive it more relaxed?
The Ford could definitely still be a viable car. It is a MR drivetrain, so it tends to rotate better in the corners than FR cars, like the Jag. That can make it easier to drive in the twisty bits of a course. Often that comes at the expense of top-end speed on the straights.

You can also see that the tires wear more evenly than the Jag. The drop in performance from tire wear was more gradual, too. That could be beneficial in races where tire life is important.
 
Round 1 looks to be a repeat of the last race in the Exhibition series. Wonder if it'll be completely random weather again. Bummer it's on a Wed and not Sat. Interesting to note GT2/3 is also five laps this time around.

FIX MY WHEEL KAZ!

ETA - Fuel at Nord is 1x vs 3x and tires is 3x vs 6x in the previous race.
 
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