Great idea for GT Sport

[dylpro]

The person I responded to slagged other games to get his point across. I simply brought the point a little closer to home with the Forza example. I find it ludicrous to be thankful for free DLC when your main competitor already has 4x the cars you have.

Completely agree. I’ll be interested to see what direction GTS takes, the game was touted as a new direction focused on racing and not car collecting, but we’re seeing these updates including cars from previous games that make it look more like previous iterations. I’m not opposed to either, but we’ll see.

Nonetheless, the topic is about online being free for GTS, not DLC, competitor car count, or Forza. A single reply got this so off point. There’s lots of threads where comparing Forza and GTS is more appropriate.

Absolutely. The DLC has been decent, but GT Sport has started its life so far behind where it should be after four years of development. Makes it even more dumbfounding that there's over 1000 scapes.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the scapes in GTS are just photographs rather than modeled scapes, so it’s more like adding the car in a photo editor rather than making a whole setting for a car like it was in previous games. Which makes it VERY easy for these new scapes to make it into the game, which explains the amount of scapes in game quite simply. Much easier to take a picture of something than modeling a car from scratch. Not really dumbfounding, more like simple reasoning, IMO.

And if we actually get back to the topic itself, it isn’t even a GTS or PDI issue, it’s a PSN issue, like others have said. It’s pointless to argue online in GTS should be free when ALL online content across the platform requires YOU PS+. Even if PDI wanted online capabilities to be free, Sony would probably shut it down. And the game literally says on the case that online is extensively needed for use. Maybe it should say paid online required for most functions, but again, that’s something needed for EVERY online function on PSN.

 

[JulesDennis]

Yeah... Kid is 14 years old..he probably has time to play more than one game in a day. And free games he gets from ps plus subscription, then f2p world of tanks, warframe, war thunder etc.. Buying gaming pc, big nono at the current GPU prices..

OP being 14 does not matter.
Online gaming is not free in PS4 (no matter the game) period.In PC you dont need to "buy" online gaming -in general-.
Cost is something to concider but per game the cost of online racing is more expensive in concoles than PC platform.These are facts and I think I made a valid point for them.
Even having more than one racing title is much cheaper in PC (with iRacing one of them,the "most expensive sim" title as many call it).
As far as the cost of the platform (PC vs concoles) the PC way,was always more expensive mo matter the GPU prices.Yet you get a better performing platform that is upgradable and will not "die" after a few years because the "new" version of it comes out.You'll have to upgrade parts and not the hole system.
Its really "bad" timing for someone to built/buy a gaming PC thats true.PS4 (pro or not) is much cheaper machine.But:
a:its gonna be replaced in the next 2-2.5 years
b:its a "lesser" performing machine.
(same for XBOX too).
So people need to make a decision and a compromise.Still PC in the long run is a better choice for someone who want to sim race online.
And when we talk about platform vs platform again the "free games with PS4" is not a good point.There are so many free games in PC that the "warframe" point is not that strong.Plus zero mods in concoles and huge amount of mods someone can use in PC.AC mods is a great example.
So,PC is more expensive as a platform but the "per game" cost is lower and the overall experience is also better.Everybody can choose their "poison".
My main point was that concole games (with online access) are not that "cheap" as some may think even compared to the most expensive PC games.

 

[Skiddy]

OP being 14 does not matter.
Online gaming is not free in PS4 (no matter the game) period.In PC you dont need to "buy" online gaming -in general-.
Cost is something to concider but per game the cost of online racing is more expensive in concoles than PC platform.These are facts and I think I made a valid point for them.
Even having more than one racing title is much cheaper in PC (with iRacing one of them,the "most expensive sim" title as many call it).
As far as the cost of the platform (PC vs concoles) the PC way,was always more expensive mo matter the GPU prices.Yet you get a better performing platform that is upgradable and will not "die" after a few years because the "new" version of it comes out.You'll have to upgrade parts and not the hole system.
Its really "bad" timing for someone to built/buy a gaming PC thats true.PS4 (pro or not) is much cheaper machine.But:
a:its gonna be replaced in the next 2-2.5 years
b:its a "lesser" performing machine.
(same for XBOX too).
So people need to make a decision and a compromise.Still PC in the long run is a better choice for someone who want to sim race online.
And when we talk about platform vs platform again the "free games with PS4" is not a good point.There are so many free games in PC that the "warframe" point is not that strong.Plus zero mods in concoles and huge amount of mods someone can use in PC.AC mods is a great example.
So,PC is more expensive as a platform but the "per game" cost is lower and the overall experience is also better.Everybody can choose their "poison".
My main point was that concole games (with online access) are not that "cheap" as some may think even compared to the most expensive PC games.

Valid point, online gaming on PS4 is not free. It can be a drag, especially if you're 14 (no job).
I don't think PS4 will replaced any time soon, it came out in 2013, still live and kicking, and with 80 million units sold, it is going to be a very lucrative platform for the developers years to come. Think about it: PS5 would have to be really awesome to dethrone PS4.

I wonder how well the PC built in 2013 for $400 is good at running today's games.
You save money by not having to pay for online play, but you loose money by having to upgrade your machine to be up to date.

Lesser performing machine: true, but when I see GTS, Horizon zero dawn, upcoming titles (GoW i.e.), really can't complain.

I gave up on PC gaming years ago, to many bugs, updates, mods, aimbots and cheaters, bad ports, need for upgrading.. To much hassle IMO. PC is for work, and I didn't have to upgrade my working PC since 2010..And one more thing: I think more games are being developed for consoles, and then ported back to PC (not like the old days).

But to get back OT, I do not think F2P model would be good for GTS. DLC would probably not be free, player base would probably be divided. The price of GTS was 50 % off on two occasions, just couple of months after release,

 

[JulesDennis]

Valid point, online gaming on PS4 is not free. It can be a drag, especially if you're 14 (no job).
I don't think PS4 will replaced any time soon, it came out in 2013, still live and kicking, and with 80 million units sold, it is going to be a very lucrative platform for the developers years to come. Think about it: PS5 would have to be really awesome to dethrone PS4.

Experts in the industry expect PS5 to be out as early as 2019.For sure its gonna be within the next 2-3 years.

I wonder how well the PC built in 2013 for $400 is good at running today's games.
You save money by not having to pay for online play, but you loose money by having to upgrade your machine to be up to date.

You dont have to wonder.The only thing is that a 400 dollars PC could not run most of games they were out back in 2013.
Like I said PC is and always will be more expensive since its a much better/advanced machine than consoles to begin with.

Lesser performing machine: true, but when I see GTS, Horizon zero dawn, upcoming titles (GoW i.e.), really can't complain.

You get what you pay for -or it supposed to work like that-.

I gave up on PC gaming years ago, to many bugs, updates, mods, aimbots and cheaters, bad ports, need for upgrading.. To much hassle IMO. PC is for work, and I didn't have to upgrade my working PC since 2010..And one more thing: I think more games are being developed for consoles, and then ported back to PC (not like the old days).

Talking about bugs,updates and cheaters its all the same in both concoles and PC.All platforms have those problems.Sometimes its worse in concoles.

But to get back OT, I do not think F2P model would be good for GTS. DLC would probably not be free, player base would probably be divided. The price of GTS was 50 % off on two occasions, just couple of months after release,

Online gaming is not free in PS platform unless its a "free" game to begin with.DLC policy and price has nothing to do with with.
You need to pay money to SONY for online gaming access-PS plus-. Thats it,end of story.OP (or others) may not like this but PS Plus and free DLC in GTS -or any other game- have nothing to do with each other.

 

[ImaRobot]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the scapes in GTS are just photographs rather than modeled scapes, so it’s more like adding the car in a photo editor rather than making a whole setting for a car like it was in previous games. Which makes it VERY easy for these new scapes to make it into the game, which explains the amount of scapes in game quite simply. Much easier to take a picture of something than modeling a car from scratch. Not really dumbfounding, more like simple reasoning, IMO.

You're correct, they are just photographs, but I'm sure there is still a hefty bit of man hours going into each one of those photos to get the lighting to work and look accurate on the vehicles as well as setting up movement limitations. How many modeled scapes where there before? I can't recall, but I don't feel there was more than at least 20? Compared to the 1000~ scapes available, I would imagine a good bit more time has went into those than the actually 3d modeled environments. I agree though, adding new ones shouldn't be too much more difficult compared to adding one 3d environment.

 

[GBO Possum]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the scapes in GTS are just photographs rather than modeled scapes

They are not "just photographs"

They have three dimensionality in that cars are placed IN them and not ON them like a photograph

There is a space in each where cars can be placed (and not placed). There is a surface upon which the cars sit.

Also, cars placed in them are illuminated by the lighting in the scape. That lighting causes color changes in the cars as well as shadows and reflections

These are things that don't happen in "just photographs"

 

[Shottah072]

Hello, after being offline im here on gt planet again.

This time i am bringing you wonderfull idea how to improve gt sport.

But first,story:So being 14 and from Croatia that doesnt put me in good financial situation.I bought my PS4 yesterday(i have to pick it up tho), and i am saving for gt sport.The ting is that i have to pay for online, and gt sport is mostly online game.You know paying for game and than paying so i can play it fully isnt greatest concept.

GIVE GT SPORT FREEONLINE
Yup that is my great idea.
Simple,right?


What playconcept:
Complete game
Full acess to all competitions including GTS world championship
Some people might buy gt sport just to try online features of PS4.

What sony and pd get:
It might be te reason for buying ps4 in some not so economicaly wealth country.
People who usualy dont buy ps plus might like online component of gts,and they might buy ps plus so they can enjoy rest of their games online.
Sony will raise in customers eyes for this "free online"

It is simple,if you support this share it with other people and if enough people support this we will achieve this.

Best wishes and greetings from Croatia.

Look up account sharing on PS4. You can cut costs in half for games and plus if you do this with someone you know and trust.

 

[KingFrog]

Yes, they actually did. There was free content in every iteration this generation, the most being in FM5 when the car list was mirroring the issue GTS is currently facing.

We both know only a tiny minority of cars were free . I think that's cool but it wasn't exactly a massive freebee

 

[ImaRobot]

We both know only a tiny minority of cars were free . I think that's cool but it wasn't exactly a massive freebee

About 20-30 is not a "tiny" amount of free cars.

 

[KingFrog]

About 20-30 is not a "tiny" amount of cars of free cars.

Compared to the amount sold , yes . I'm not complaining , it's smart as people who don't buy DLC still have something to look forward too. Drive club did the same . 5 cars + a free one every month .

 

[ImaRobot]

Compared to the amount sold , yes . I'm not complaining , it's smart as people who don't buy DLC still have something to look forward too. Drive club did the same . 5 cars + a free one every month .

It doesn't matter of if it's compared to the amount sold. We're comparing it to the amount of free cars given by other games, so stop moving the goal posts. 20-30 free vehicles is far from tiny.

 

[KingFrog]

It doesn't matter of if it's compared to the amount sold. We're comparing it to the amount of free cars given by other games, so stop moving the goal posts. 20-30 free vehicles is far from tiny.

Then it's about average , Drive club gave us 20 free cars . two free motorcycles , and like 20 free tracks . GT 6 gave us 20 + free cars ( VGT + the few real ones ) . it's a lot compared to Iracing / AC but Not a lot compared to AAA companies . Did NFS even get dlc ? I never bothered touching it .

 

[ImaRobot]

Then it's about average , Drive club gave us 20 free cars . two free motorcycles , and like 20 free tracks . GT 6 gave us 20 + free cars ( VGT + the few real ones ) . it's a lot compared to Iracing / AC but Not a lot compared to AAA companies . Did NFS even get dlc ? I never bothered touching it .

How is it not a lot compared to AAA companies if you've just literally pointed out that it seems on par with all the AAA devs so far? So far, your original claim is far from the truth, and your extension of your opinion is making less and less sense.

 

[KingFrog]

How is it not a lot compared to AAA companies if you've just literally pointed out that it seems on par with all the AAA devs so far? So far, your original claim is far from the truth, and your extension of your opinion is making less and less sense.

It's on par . I'l admit saying " a little " was wrong . But it's not a lot , it's about equal to what other games gave . Again I'm not criticizing Turn ten for giving free cars . Chill out

 

[ImaRobot]

It's on par . I'l admit saying " a little " was wrong . But it's not a lot , it's about equal to what other games gave . Again I'm not criticizing Turn ten for giving free cars . Chill out

I'm just pointing out the misinformation.

 

[Daniel55]

Yes, they actually did. There was free content in every iteration this generation, the most being in FM5 when the car list was mirroring the issue GTS is currently facing.

I had Forza 5 and they gave for free @20 cars.

What I wanted to say with that reply is that they didn't give all the cars for free. @Johnnypenso said that GT Sport has to give a lot of free cars to match Forza 7's 700 cars list.
GT Sport has already a big amount of free cars and will have 50 free cars until March/end of March. They don't have to give 500 cars for free because they don't have to match Forza 7's car list. Did PCars 2 give 500 cars for free to match Forza 7's car list? No. So, my point in the end is: every game can have its own amount of cars, they don't have to match each other's amount of cars and if a game has more cars that doesn't mean that the competition (if it has less cars at launch) has to give the cars for free until it matches X amount of cars that others have.

 

[ImaRobot]

I had Forza 5 and they gave for free @20 cars.

What I wanted to say with that reply is that they didn't give all the cars for free. @Johnnypenso said that GT Sport has to give a lot of free cars to match Forza 7's 700 cars list.
GT Sport has already a big amount of free cars and will have 50 free cars until March/end of March. They don't have to give 500 cars for free because they don't have to match Forza 7's car list. Did PCars 2 give 500 cars for free to match Forza 7's car list? No. So, my point in the end is: every game can have its own amount of cars, they don't have to match each other's amount of cars and if a game has more cars that doesn't mean that the competition (if it has less cars at launch) has to give the cars for free until it matches X amount of cars that others have.

If you had Forza 5 and you knew that they gave free cars, than you were just outright lying. Just because they offered paid DLC, doesn't negate the fact that they gave free cars as well.

GTS, so far, has released them for free. They have a goal of having 500+ vehicles by the end of GTS' life, and I'm having a really hard time believing 300+ cars are going to be free. Especially coming from a company that went as far as charging you to use paint chips one time.

 

[Daniel55]

If you had Forza 5 and you knew that they gave free cars, than you were just outright lying. Just because they offered paid DLC, doesn't negate the fact that they gave free cars as well.

GTS, so far, has released them for free. They have a goal of having 500+ vehicles by the end of GTS' life, and I'm having a really hard time believing 300+ cars are going to be free. Especially coming from a company that went as far as charging you to use paint chips one time.

Again, I wanted to say they didn't give all the cars for free just because the car list was small at launch. My reply was " when Forza had less cars than GT, did they give them (all) for free?", trying to say "to match GT's bigger car list" (GT6)

Also, I don't remember Kaz saying that all 300 cars will be free. He said: the game might be updated to have in the end @500 cars. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[ImaRobot]

Again, I wanted to say they didn't give all the cars for free just because the car list was small at launch. My reply was " when Forza had less cars than GT, did they give them (all) for free?", trying to say "to match GT's bigger car list" (GT6)

I don't think other games car list come into consideration when making content free or not. I would imagine its based off something internally, maybe like how it compares to past iterations, and amount of content currently available on the vanilla game. It doesn't make sense to me that they'd go look at other games and be like "they have a lot of content, we'll have to give all our cars for free in order to get this sorted!"

I'm betting Forza gave a good amount of cars for free because the base content was lowered significantly compared to last generation in order to meet a strict release date to match up with the next-gen console releases. The reason I think this is because as the years went by, less cars where offered for free in the iterations that came after.

Whatever you meant, you outright lied in order to prove a nonexistent point against something.

 

[Daniel55]

I don't think other games car list come into consideration when making content free or not. I would imagine its based off something internally, maybe like how it compares to past iterations, and amount of content currently available on the vanilla game. It doesn't make sense to me that they'd go look at other games and be like "they have a lot of content, we'll have to give all our cars for free in order to get this sorted!"

I'm betting Forza gave a good amount of cars for free because the base content was lowered significantly compared to last generation in order to meet a strict release date to match up with the next-gen console releases. The reason I think this is because as the years went by, less cars where offered for free in the iterations that came after.

Whatever you meant, you outright lied in order to prove a nonexistent point against something.

No, I wasn't lying. Just because you didn't understand my reply/point , that doesn't mean I was lying.
And again, @Johnnypenso said "they'll have to give a lot of free cars to match Forza's 700 cars list". It wasn't me that came up with the idea that a game has to give the cars for free to match another's car list.

 

[ImaRobot]

No, I wasn't lying. Just because you didn't understand my reply/point , that doesn't mean I was lying.
And again, @Johnnypenso said "they'll have to give a lot of free cars to match Forza's 700 cars list". It wasn't me that came up with the idea that a game has to give the cars for free to match another's car list.

You did lie.

And when Forza had less cars than Gran Turismo, did they give the cars for free? No.

That right there, was the lie. You yourself acknowledged later that they did. The point was understood. You just lied to try to get it across.

And again, @Johnnypenso said "they'll have to give a lot of free cars to match Forza's 700 cars list". It wasn't me that came up with the idea that a game has to give the cars for free to match another's car list.

Cool. Never really mentioned anything about that.

 

[Daniel55]

You did lie.



That right there, was the lie. You yourself acknowledged later that they did. The point was understood. You just lied to try to get it across.


Cool. Never really mentioned anything about that.

It seems that you don't understand or don't want to.

For the last time, I wanted to say that they didn't give ALL the cars for free.

If you would read the older replies, you would understand that I was referring to all cars, not just some of them.

 

[ImaRobot]

It seems that you don't understand or don't want to.

For the last time, I wanted to say that they didn't give ALL the cars for free.

There's no comprehension issue on my part. If you knew that they gave cars for free than you shouldn't have said they didn't, it's just that simple.

It wasn't me that came up with the idea that a game has to give the cars for free to match another's car list.

I wanted to say that they didn't give ALL the cars for free.

So which one is it?

 

[Daniel55]

There's no comprehension issue on my part. If you knew that they gave cars for free than you shouldn't have said they didn't, it's just that simple.



So which one is it?

Are you trolling or what?
In that reply I wanted to say that they didn't give ALL the cars for free, wich is true. Forza gave free cars, but it also had paid cars, so in the end they didn't give ALL the cars for free.

 

[ImaRobot]

Are you trolling or what?
In that reply I wanted to say that they didn't give ALL the cars for free, wich is true. Forza gave free cars, but it also had paid cars, so in the end they didn't give ALL the cars for free.

It's weird that you meant to say "yes, they gave cars for free, but not all of them" but instead just said "No, they dont give cars for free." That looks like a big slip of the finger, might want to get your keyboard checked out.

 

[Daniel55]

It's weird that you meant to say "yes, they gave cars for free, but not all of them" but instead just said "No, they dont give cars for free." That looks like a big slip of the finger, might want to get your keyboard checked out.

Yes, because in that context, it was obvious that I was referring to all the cars, so that's why I didn't write the word "all"

 

[ImaRobot]

Yes, because in that context, it was obvious that I was referring to all the cars, so that's why I didn't write the wors "all"

Yeah, right. I'm not sure what logic you used to assume that it was obvious, when all you said was "no." I would recommend actually writing what you meant in the future, if that's the case.

 

[Daniel55]

Yeah, right. I'm not sure what logic you used to assume that it was obvious, when all you said was "no." I would recommend actually writing what you meant in the future, if that's the case.

What I said was pretty clear in that context assuming that you read all the replies, including @Johnnypenso 's. It's not my fault if you didn't read all of them.

Anyway, have a nice day, I'll stop browsing the site because I have some work to do and this conversation is time consuming.

 

[Javi Piqueras]

Any -racing or not- game in PS4 needs Plus sub in order to be used online.
GTS,Pcars 2,NFS,"whatever" title.
So bringing up the "free" update car list is a weak argument (to justify the Plus sub) in this situation as much as talking about racing games offered in other platforms.
If we go down that road "GTS has free cars" vs "Forza/PCars has a better car/track list" then fans from any title would have ways to make their "favorite" look like a better deal one way or another.
"Forza has x 4 car list"...
but
"GTS does not have paid DLC"
but
"Forza has a more complete list to begin with..."
but.....
Since every game in PS4,needs a Plus in order to be used online when you want to buy and play online for one year any PS4 title,it cost is:
Game+Plus price for a year.
Lets say I can buy GTS for 30 Euros -hard copy used or not-.If I want to play online that means I need to spend 30+59,99 (Plus)=89,99 euros for the one year.Those 59,99 euros would give me access to online play in all other titles I'll buy.So the more games I buy,the "less" money I pay for online gaming (per game),making online gaming cost less when I actually pay more money in total to SONY (if that makes sense).
Example:
GTS (only) :30+59,99=89,99 for one game
GTS + Destiny 2 (random game and price example) : 30+30+59,99=119,99 or 59,89 per game.
So,more games added to my collection means "less" money I spend for online gaming -per game-.
In case of comparing just one game with any other (similar title) in other platforms then PS4 games could actually be a lot more expensive than what people may think.
Example:
GTS (30 dollars) + PS plus for one year=89,99 (for our US friends)
How much is the money for the basic iRacing (the most expensive sim racing game in PC) for one year?
66 dollars for the basic one year pachage.
So in reality,if I want to make any online PS4 title a "value for money title" I need to do 2 things:
a)Buy at least 2 titles and
b)After their price is reduced (aka not when those games are released).
Because If I want to buy GTS (or Pcars 2 or whatever title) "standard" edition and play one year (online) only that title,with the first day release price tag :
69,99 +59,99= 129,98 for one year.
At this moment the standard edition of GTS in PS store is actually 59,99 -Europe-.So the price of the game (digital) -with online use- is 119,98 Euros for one year, almost double the price of one year iRacing basic sub -the "most expensive" sim in the PC market-.
So atm if I go to the Ps store and want to get GTS with online access (one year) I have to pay 119,98 Euro for the standard edition.
Pcars 2 would cost me 129,98 euros atm.
Dirt 4 would cost me 129,98 atm.
A.Corsa would cost me 72,98 atm.
If I buy all 4 titles:
59,99+69,99+69,99+12,99+59,99=272,95 or 54,59 per game -online cost-.
All these are without any paid DLC added.
So,the more money I spend to SONY PS4 games,the less expessive those games are.
What can I get if I spend the same amount of money on PC racing titles for one year online gaming atm?
150 to iRacing (with DCL money spend in the game)
29,99 for rFactor 2
27,99 for A.Corsa
59,99 for Pcars 2
and still have 5 euros less money spend for 1 year of online racing titles-plus I would not need to add more money to play rFactor,AC or Pcars 2 online after that first year-.
So in order to actually make any valid "value for money" argument for any racing title in PS4 you need to :
A) Buy more that one game (in order to make Ps Plus price drop per game) and
B)wait for a price drop at the same time.
Now,I know that with Plus you get free games but those are sometimes games you may not like or play so I dont bring it up here.Especially if you are a sim/racing game fan and you only play that kind of titles,the "extra/free" games mean nothing to you (90% of the time).
We know that sim racing is kinda an expensive hobby.The more you spend,the better experience you have:VP,rigs,wheels and so on.
But as far as the titles (compared to each other) then we have to dig a little more further to make a solid "value for price" arguments than just "car/track" list -for online racing that is at least-.
And "sim" racing do not actually come cheap in consoles as many people think.Now,does that kind of money actually gets people the experience that worth that price tag?
We could go on for months/years talking about that.....
As far as OP's idea:If you want "free" online racing then you should have not picked up PS4 in the first place.PS4 cost less money than a gaming PC but online gaming is not free and it has a price tag of 59,99 euros per year (atm).

Hello, I'm very sorry but I do not agree with you. Only one thing, in which the most real simulated races are in Pc. There is no doubt about it, but from there to say that it is also cheaper I find it ridiculous. start, do not compare the effort you have to do just to start, talking about money, because 1000 euros you manage but you are not at the maximum. And now can come Bill Gates to tell me whatever it is that I know that only the graphic card it costs more than my play4 and the difference I paid to have the pro.600 € in total.From 2013 until now.More games, Put about 15 x 60 €. Logically both assetto and some F1 have been cheaper or second hand, but I will not keep it in mind. about € 900 in 5 years.More 460 of the thrustmaster.with its thr8 and clutch.Vale, the 250 euros of the five years of Psplus and sumo. 2210 € 5 years everything. I think that would be what I would spend only on the computer. More time I've saved from bundle downloads winrar, unzip, unite, install, patch, **** this does not work ... online? uff as you do not pay this hacker week, yes, week too. That putting it in your game plan cheaper or free. Does the playstation update? do not compare!!!!! a few months ago update windows 10 cortana to ****. Is this enough? if you want to be at the last one, it's MORE EXPENSIVE. Another thing is that the best simulations on PC without thinking absurdly nothing else. But I like my life and I prefer the automatism and the carelessness of my ps4 that Half lives with my PC

 

[ImaRobot]

What I said was pretty clear in that context assuming that you read all the replies, including @Johnnypenso 's. It's not my fault if you didn't read all of them.

Anyway, have a nice day, I'll stop browsing the site because I have some work to do and this conversation is time consuming.

And now you're lying to yourself, and trying to fool everyone You lied, simple as that, but instead of acknowledging it you just decided to pretend you didn't say what you said, and that you actually meant something that was the complete opposite of what you said. Now you're trying to act like someone else has a reading comprehension issue because they didn't know that when you said "No they don't" you actually meant "Yes they do." Really? You're right though, what you said was very clear, that's why it was a lie and being pointed out as such.

The funny part is that I replied to your very first post in this thread, there was nothing more to read from you before that. So I guess another lie?