Greed. Are you happy now? Greedy kids.

[the_undrtaker89]

This thread was originally about death, but these greedy people found it more important to talk about greed instead.

 

[luftrofl]

As you can see I really am not good with words. I guess what I'm trying to say is, the only way to die without regret is to live without greed.

I partly agree, except my verision would be:

The only way to die without regret is to live without belief that you are greedy.

Replace greedy with any other bad trait.

 

[Young_Warrior]

I suggest you get out of america and go live in a village then.

In any urban city life all revolves around money. Anything you want to do needs money.
Want a hot chick? Your gonna need money. Want a nice car? need money again nice house welll thats even more money.


At the end of the day though what do you consider as greed? A person who has mone money than he can spend or a person that works alot to buy things he or she doesnt really need like a 50 grand car for example.

 

[smellysocks12]

Greed keeps people going. People need desire in their lives... if there are no desires to pursue you will be miserable since you already have everything. Greed usually gets you closer to fulfilling your desire.

 

[Saleen Man]

"An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth"

That is the difference between desire and greed. I can agree that people need desire in their lives, but greed is something you can do without. Greed is wanting to have something just so you can say you have it, to be "better" than everyone else. That's what I see greed as. Greed isn't necessary.

 

[Sage]

So, is this thread about death, or is it about greed?

 

[McLaren]

I suggest you get out of america and go live in a village then.

In any urban city life all revolves around money. Anything you want to do needs money.
Want a hot chick? Your gonna need money. Want a nice car? need money again nice house welll thats even more money.


At the end of the day though what do you consider as greed? A person who has mone money than he can spend or a person that works alot to buy things he or she doesnt really need like a 50 grand car for example.

That's actually debateable as that depends on the person and the relationship of the 2 people.

 

[Small_Fryz]

I think people are remembered more for what they gave, then what the had.

People who founded cities, businesses and helped out many many people.

Im not good with words either but i think if your successful and have money thats ok, as long as you give back to things that helped you out. Your local sports team or communtiy. Sponser a child in africa or something.

 

[Famine]

"An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth"

That is the difference between desire and greed. I can agree that people need desire in their lives, but greed is something you can do without. Greed is wanting to have something just so you can say you have it, to be "better" than everyone else. That's what I see greed as. Greed isn't necessary.

So...

If you buy a car, you're going to hell because you don't "need" a car? Or maybe you can justify needing one, so if you buy anything more than the most basic car, the above still applies?

 

[Saleen Man]

So...

If you buy a car, you're going to hell because you don't "need" a car? Or maybe you can justify needing one, so if you buy anything more than the most basic car, the above still applies?

Nobody said anything about going to hell. I would say that for most people, a car is something that you do need. Unless you live within walking distance from your job/friends/family, which isn't the case for most. Realistically, a lot of people should buy nothing more than "the most basic car", but always want more/better, and live outside of their means. Although there is a tough line to draw there between what desire and greed is.

 

[Famine]

Nobody said anything about going to hell. I would say that for most people, a car is something that you do need. Unless you live within walking distance from your job/friends/family, which isn't the case for most.

In your continent, maybe. Then again, those people have chosen to live where they are because they WANT to live where they are, rather than because they need to live in a large, out-of-town house. They've also chosen the job they have because they WANT that job - and the pay packet commensurate with it - and not because they need a career in stockbroking, or porn, or line-dancing.

They WANT that job because it either pays them well, offers an opportunity to pay them well in the future or suits them because that's what they WANT to do. Need doesn't enter into it - unless you're starting out, or unemployed and NEED a job for the money. To pay for the house/car/kids/dogs they have because they WANTED them.

So they NEED a car to get them from the place they WANT to live to the place they WANT to work. That definition of "a car is something you need" is rather circular wouldn't you say? That you have a fundamental need for something due to your other wants...

Realistically, a lot of people should buy nothing more than "the most basic car", but always want more/better, and live outside of their means. Although there is a tough line to draw there between what desire and greed is.

According to your definitions above, I'd be perfectly entitled to NEED a car with full leather, air-conditioning, 10-CD changer, 3.5 litre V8 and everything I can have thrown at it. After all, if I NEED a car to get where I WANT, then surely I NEED the best car I can get to make me comfortable when I get there?

You need a job to pay for your house. You need that house to put your wife/kids etc. in. You need a car to get from your house to your job. You need a good car to get there in comfort...


We're moving into strange territory here. How do you define what I need? Or anyone else? How, then, are you to define who is greedy and who is not? If anyone with more than a basic car is greedy, how is anyone with more than a basic house, or more than a basic, living wage, or pets, or a family NOT greedy?


Your dictionary definition also throws something else into the mix. "Deserve". Can you tell me how you'd calculate precisely what it is that I deserve to own?

 

[a6m5]

I think I see both sides here. If you have a high paying job, and want that new BMW 7-Series, I don't see any problems with it. However, if you are going out of your way, say at your job to screw people over and earn enough money for that BMW, that's greed to me.

 

[VIPFREAK]

So, is this thread about death, or is it about greed?

I guess Greed, apparently...

 

[Saleen Man]

In your continent, maybe.

Nodoby needs a car in Europe?

They WANT that job because it either pays them well, offers an opportunity to pay them well in the future or suits them because that's what they WANT to do. Need doesn't enter into it - unless you're starting out, or unemployed and NEED a job for the money. To pay for the house/car/kids/dogs they have because they WANTED them.

This gets back to the part I mentioned about people living outside of their means. If people didn't WANT so much in the first place, they wouldn't NEED that high paying job to pay for it all. If people were happy with the basic necessities of life, and didn't take for granted all the extras we enjoy everyday (PS2 & GT4 for example) then they wouldn't NEED the extra money to pay for it all. No?

According to your definitions above, I'd be perfectly entitled to NEED a car with full leather, air-conditioning, 10-CD changer, 3.5 litre V8 and everything I can have thrown at it. After all, if I NEED a car to get where I WANT, then surely I NEED the best car I can get to make me comfortable when I get there?

Surely not. What you need is a car that will get you from point A to point B. Everything you mentioned there is an extra, a "luxury", something you can do without.

We're moving into strange territory here. How do you define what I need? Or anyone else? How, then, are you to define who is greedy and who is not? If anyone with more than a basic car is greedy, how is anyone with more than a basic house, or more than a basic, living wage, or pets, or a family NOT greedy?

You're right there, no one can determine exactly what else someone needs. However, if you know the person well enough to know what they can do without, don't you think you can make a pretty fair judgement?

Your dictionary definition also throws something else into the mix. "Deserve". Can you tell me how you'd calculate precisely what it is that I deserve to own?

That's tough. You could say that a person deserves more if they've worked harder/longer to get those things. Although I can't tell you exactly what you deserve to own, unless I knew you personally like I stated above, in which case, I could make a fair judgement.

What exactly is the difference between desire and greed in your opinion?

And wow, what a task it was inserting all the bold/color codes into that quote.

 

[PS]

That's actually debateable as that depends on the person and the relationship of the 2 people.

Yah, exactly, we all know that Rick just needs his NSX.

 

[Grand Prix]

Nodoby needs a car in Europe?

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This gets back to the part I mentioned about people living outside of their means. If people didn't WANT so much in the first place, they wouldn't NEED that high paying job to pay for it all. If people were happy with the basic necessities of life, and didn't take for granted all the extras we enjoy everyday (PS2 & GT4 for example) then they wouldn't NEED the extra money to pay for it all. No?



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Surely not. What you need is a car that will get you from point A to point B. Everything you mentioned there is an extra, a "luxury", something you can do without.

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You're right there, no one can determine exactly what else someone needs. However, if you know the person well enough to know what they can do without, don't you think you can make a pretty fair judgement?



That's tough. You could say that a person deserves more if they've worked harder/longer to get those things. Although I can't tell you exactly what you deserve to own, unless I knew you personally like I stated above, in which case, I could make a fair judgement.

What exactly is the difference between desire and greed in your opinion?

And wow, what a task it was inserting all the bold/color codes into that quote.

You won't buy a Saleen if you win the lottery then? *looks at username*

 

[Sage]

I think a6m5 hit the nail on the head: greed is when you are willing to compromise your morals to acquire your desires. There's nothing wrong with desire (in fact, it's what keeps society running) – just make sure you reach your desires lawfully and ethically.

And I'm still confused, because the thread's title is "Death"…

 

[the_undrtaker89]

You guys totally went off track with this thread . I never should have mentioned the word "greed", it's like saying racist, people go crazy with those kind of accusations.

Let me re-word it, what I wanted to say was, if you want to die without regreting anything you've done or wanted to do. You should live every day with good intentions, take what you need, and give back to those who need it more.

Famine sometimes I think you become too much of a realist. Greed has nothing to do with buying a BMW. I have a Bmw does that make me greedy? If you live without greed, you can die without regreting not achieving a certain point.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Since we never have been on topic... I believe you can achieve things without "greed" it's just what you achive and what you consider achievement that could be questionable.

 

[the_undrtaker89]

Ok, that's it! Topic change! I guess no one cares about dying!

 

[VIPFREAK]

Nooooooooooooooooo.......... I don't wanna die!

 

[a6m5]

Way to be a team-player, Undertaker! 👍 Go with the flow.

P.S. Your new avatar makes a bit nervous..........

 

[PS]

Way to be a team-player, Undertaker! 👍 Go with the flow.

P.S. Your new avatar makes a bit nervous..........

Yah, but he won't be forced to change it because everyone knows what it is.


(Regan from The Exorcist Vs. Hermes Trismegistus)

 

[the_undrtaker89]

Yah, but he won't be forced to change it because everyone knows what it is.


(Regan from The Exorcist Vs. Hermes Trismegistus)

Lol, yeah I feel for ya PS, I thought it was a pretty cool avatar.

 

[a6m5]

Oh, yeah! I didn't realize that PS's avatar changed back. It was amusing while it lasted......

 

[the_undrtaker89]

Lol, it seems we're getting off topic again

Should I change the title to "what you think of other's avatars"?

 

[Saleen Man]

Nah, greed is good. Speaking of, it's pretty clear that what I stated to be "greed" before, was wrong. a6m5 gave the best definition of what greed really is, while it appears Famine and I were going on about "want vs need". And I love the topic title.

 

[PS]

I think the mods are power-greedy. But not all.

 

[a6m5]

Nah, greed is good. Speaking of, it's pretty clear that what I stated to be "greed" before, was wrong. a6m5 gave the best definition of what greed really is, while it appears Famine and I were going on about "want vs need". And I love the topic title.

I don't know, Saleen. "Want vs. Need" sure sounds interesting. When you and Famine was having that discussion earlier, especially about the "basic car" & "luxury car", that did get me to think a little bit. When I was younger, I was about I need the best this and that. Now before I buy something, I remind myself about the "bottomless pit of needs & wants".

 

[Saleen Man]

I don't know, Saleen. "Want vs. Need" sure sounds interesting. When you and Famine was having that discussion earlier, especially about the "basic car" & "luxury car", that did get me to think a little bit. When I was younger, I was about I need the best this and that. Now before I buy something, I remind myself about the "bottomless pit of needs & wants".

Oh? Please go on about this "bottomless pit".