grip driving vs. drifting

micrors4drifter · Mar 28, 2003

hey all im new here but i have had and bought all of the gt seris from the begging and i only started to drift now and i was wondering, is grip driving through the corners much faster than drifting the corners? i have been thinking bout this for awhile now and i love drifting especially wit my rc car. and i want to start doing it now. also i got auto modellista which i am selling now wheni juss got it cuz i think gt3 is a much better game to play and auto modellista's gameplay isnt fun at all. it juss looks good. so im back to square one wit gt3. oh if any1 wants AM juss give a holla sorry if its in the wrong forum but yea.

oh and here is a movie of some of the rc's i can drift wit
http://www.team-orion.co.jp/hpi/yodo.mov

its soooo clean! i can do some drifting like that but on my hardwood floor and on asphault and its pretty slick!

TingBoy · Mar 28, 2003

ROFL DATS CRAZIE!!!!!

vat_man · Mar 28, 2003

Grip driving is much faster - for the same reason that everyone in prorfessional motorsport on asphalt (except for very low speed corners in rallying where the handbrake is employed to slide the car) uses it.

If you're using all the grip available then your speed is maxmised.

SandStorm · Mar 28, 2003

I agree, but I like to drift occasionally too. Not that I'm any good, I just like the challenge.

Grip driving for me. 👍

TruenoAE86 · Mar 28, 2003

Originally posted by vat_man
Grip driving is much faster - for the same reason that everyone in prorfessional motorsport on asphalt (except for very low speed corners in rallying where the handbrake is employed to slide the car) uses it.

If you're using all the grip available then your speed is maxmised.

Actually when you are using all the grip available you are actually drifting, but only a little (no smoking tires). All pro's drift, it's just at such a small extent that you can't even see it. Most people would not even consider it drifting if they saw it, but it is.

Now in gt3 drifting (with smoking tires) can be fast like when driving the gt40 in S2 license test, since the car understeers it requires a "drift in grip out" strategy to be fast. But for most cars if your tires are smoking (especially at the end of the turn) then it's probably slowing you down.

SandStorm · Mar 28, 2003

Thanks for that bit of info. 👍

vat_man · Mar 28, 2003

Originally posted by SandStorm
I agree, but I like to drift occasionally too. Not that I'm any good, I just like the challenge.

Grip driving for me. 👍

Oh - I'm not for one moment suggesting it isn't dirty big fun.

Nightmage82 · Mar 28, 2003

grip driving feels slower to me. even with the F1 cars which have phenominal grip. the process of slowing down to crawling pace at hairpins annoys me heh.

even if drifting is AS fast as grip driving, it looks more fluid and hence 'feels' faster.

i might post a replay as soon as i figure out how to use all my recording equipment!

but 1:14:536 on laguna seca with drift is proof enough. the car, a fully modded R34 skyline (not race modified)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-20756.html

check out the picture there

paul

Scorpio · Mar 28, 2003

I don't know about you guys but I think if your good at drifting you can be faster out of turns that grip driving.

TruenoAE86 · Mar 28, 2003

Originally posted by Nightmage82
grip driving feels slower to me. even with the F1 cars which have phenominal grip. the process of slowing down to crawling pace at hairpins annoys me heh.

even if drifting is AS fast as grip driving, it looks more fluid and hence 'feels' faster.

i might post a replay as soon as i figure out how to use all my recording equipment! but 1:14:536 on laguna seca with drift is proof enough. the car, a fully modded R34 skyline (not race modified)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-20756.html

check out the picture there

paul

Yeah I could see the R34 being slightly faster when drifting since it does understeer since it is 4wd. So you have to have the car in a drift position before you can hit the gas or else it will understeer and you will hit the wall or dirt.

I totaly agree that drifting feels faster though.

SPiDEY · Mar 29, 2003

hey, microrc, what kind of RC was that? I have a Taiyo Initial D AE86 Trueno but I put in a Plasma Tamiya motor and it has too much power (donuts). I plan to get a slower motor for it later. Nice drifting!

If you 4 wheel drift on some corners it could be faster than grip, but grip is the best way to get faster times. Drift just looks cooler and grip driving straight out bores me.

micrors4drifter · Mar 30, 2003

Originally posted by SPiDEY
hey, microrc, what kind of RC was that? I have a Taiyo Initial D AE86 Trueno but I put in a Plasma Tamiya motor and it has too much power (donuts). I plan to get a slower motor for it later. Nice drifting!

If you 4 wheel drift on some corners it could be faster than grip, but grip is the best way to get faster times. Drift just looks cooler and grip driving straight out bores me.

yea ok so i guess ill juss try drifting for fun since i juss returned auto modellista for Zone of Enders 2! and ZOE2 is a way better game than AM

oh yea that rc is juss like mine ts the new hpi micrfo rs4 its a 1/18th scale rc electric car. and the trueno is juss one of the many lexan bodies they have. and now wit these micro rc cars u can drift wit these and drift as good as in gran dorifto 2! here is a forum for juss micro's
http://www.yourmicro.com
and juss search for drift and there r a couple of guys who made some rc drifting videos if u want to see them they r actually pretty good when they drift on asphault
but not as good as wat that guy did in the video(oh and for the record tghat wasnt me drifting so clean)

MugenPower · Mar 30, 2003

If grip driving is faster, why is it that all the great F1 drivers let the car slide. For example... Juan Manuel Fangio, Aryton Senna, and Michael Schumacher. They all let the rear end hang out a bit. With aerodynamic downforce, and radial tires, drifting isn't as noticeable but it's there.

SPiDEY · Mar 30, 2003

Because I don't know anything about F1 cars, that's why. Besides, I don't care about real life, I'm talking about a videogame!

vat_man · Mar 30, 2003

Originally posted by MugenPower
If grip driving is faster, why is it that all the great F1 drivers let the car slide. For example... Juan Manuel Fangio, Aryton Senna, and Michael Schumacher. They all let the rear end hang out a bit. With aerodynamic downforce, and radial tires, drifting isn't as noticeable but it's there.

Right - so let me get this straight.

The whole point of the drifting thing is power oversteer, right? Not understeer, not just oversteer, but oversteer controlled on power - power oversteer, right?

So - if it's all about sliding under power oversteer, why are the teams working so hard on traction control?

The_Masaru05 · Mar 31, 2003

I think "Race Driving" is the fastest, it's a combination of grip driving and drifting when needed, so you can get through the fast corners and slow corners with the maximum alotted speed which in turn, gives the fastest lap times.

"Race Driving" should be the race style that most professional racers use to get the most out of their vehicles.

takumi64 · Mar 31, 2003

I prefer DRIFT for showing off...

But when I drive seriously, I use a setting called semi-drift, a drift and grip hybrid set-up

Nightmage82 · Mar 31, 2003

Originally posted by vat_man
Right - so let me get this straight.

The whole point of the drifting thing is power oversteer, right? Not understeer, not just oversteer, but oversteer controlled on power - power oversteer, right?

the whole point of drifting isn't necessarily power oversteer, thats simply one type of drifting. the fastest way to drift is 4-wheel drift which is a combination of over and understeer maintaining a perfect racing line with high entry and exit speeds.

the reason i think drifting isn't seen so much in professional racing esp in formula one is because its exceedingly hard in those cars. they are very light and difficult to shift weight around since they have very little. i think heavier race cars do drift because slowing down and accelerating again takes so much time compared to say F1.

Originally posted by takumi64
I prefer DRIFT for showing off... But when I drive seriously, I use a setting called semi-drift, a drift and grip hybrid set-up

and yeah thats spot on. i have two setups as well, one for show-drifting and one for serious drifting which gives me much faster times than full grip. and from what i can see faster that other people's grip times too!

heh

takumi64 · Mar 31, 2003

I call that setting the "CRAZY BUNTA" setting... Do you know why?

IceGT · Mar 31, 2003

If you are just trying to race for record lap times, I think you have to do a combination of drifting, and grip driving, it depends on the corner you are taking. Also if you are racing against someone, I believe that the postion of the car that you are racing against coming into a corner determines if you should grip or drift.

Nightmage82 · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by IceGT
Also if you are racing against someone, I believe that the postion of the car that you are racing against coming into a corner determines if you should grip or drift.

definitely. thats why i hate racing against the AI, since they always block the racing line, even if u are on it!

if im behind the AI, i catch up quickly, if im in front, i run away too. but if im stuck in the pack, it takes me forever to get to the front heh....

paul

SandStorm · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by vat_man
Oh - I'm not for one moment suggesting it isn't dirty big fun.

'Dirty big fun'?

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