GT Academy 2013 Drift Challenge! Also different physics in full lap?

[KONTRAone]

OMG. It's this type of driving that makes me want to quit GT Academy, how can PD give drivers who drift and are out of shape in every single corner an extra 3.5 seconds? It's unrealistic and shows people how not to drive a race course, it's ok to be aggressive, but clearly all of the top guys are treating this like a Drift Trail. :-(

... says some guy who hasn't even posted a time the people at the top of the rankings are sliding around because they are on the ragged edge, and THAT is why they're on top. if you don't like it then you probably can't hang...

i personally like the new physics. sure, there's room for improvement but it feels a lot more dynamic than gt5 and the feedback is incredible. also, the tires have a more dynamic temperature range and a more natural feel overall. oh, and the curbs actually bite a bit this time 👍

 

[KONTRAone]

It's not even about that. First year was more of a balanced GT competition, second year was a 2 week grind, this year is a 4 week grind. They're looking for dedicated people who want it bad enough to punish and push themselves. This isn't supposed to be fun, or realistic, or preparing anyone for the real car. The time trial is purely to test character and determination.

They know they can turn any good driver into a fast driver with training. what they want is a determined hard working good driver that they can train up to a fast driver who will work their tail off to be a great driver. You have to be all-in.

well said. this challenge will surely test the will (and sanity...) of those who wish to conquer it. skill alone can only get you into the ballpark (low 2:19's-high 2:18's) but it takes a lot of focus, a ton of patience and countless laps for a CHANCE to work your way into the top 31

 

[dsgerbc]

i personally like the new physics. sure, there's room for improvement but it feels a lot more dynamic than gt5 and the feedback is incredible. also, the tires have a more dynamic temperature range and a more natural feel overall. oh, and the curbs actually bite a bit this time 👍

I have no problem with people sliding to post the fastest freak of a lap with tire wear off. But I really hope that the full game punishes this kind of driving with way faster wear.

 

[GTPskills]

... says some guy who hasn't even posted a time the people at the top of the rankings are sliding around because they are on the ragged edge, and THAT is why they're on top. if you don't like it then you probably can't hang...

i personally like the new physics. sure, there's room for improvement but it feels a lot more dynamic than gt5 and the feedback is incredible. also, the tires have a more dynamic temperature range and a more natural feel overall. oh, and the curbs actually bite a bit this time 👍

My time is 2:20.077, I just don't think it's realistic.

 

[GranTurismoer]

Whenever I see the replay of the top guys I see an alien like driving style and this is why I never entertain leaderboards and never will.

 

[Sele1981]

I have no problem with people sliding to post the fastest freak of a lap with tire wear off. But I really hope that the full game punishes this kind of driving with way faster wear.

This! that was what I meant, it is not realistic. Of course you have to do all you can to get the fastest lap and all guys on top the positions are there because they are the best! I never said they cant drive or so...

I also use this technique now because it is the fastest... But it is not realistic in my oppinion. It can be tailbreaking or what ever but you will burn down you tyres each 2 laps in real life...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Ultimate Dedication Test : no assists allowed including no ABS with locked BB at 5/5, forced cockpit view, and tire wear on fast, run as many lap - adapt to that

Challenge accepted.

You know that was a joke right ? Tire wear on fast/fastest should be nice thing to employ though, this will reduce the amount of drifting around corners.

The no ABS thing, I was just thinking as in the race camp, the finalists were given cars with no ABS - as shown on the 370Z crashes video of the last GTA 2012 Why not do the same with the game format stage, maybe not with 5/5 BB, but locked BB for sure, this would filter more of the less dedicated

C'mon Sally we both know you weren't joking You'd love it if it were a noABS time trial you're just so used to everyone piling on when you mention noABS I think it threw you for a loop when someone actually agreed with you...lol. Actually, I'd love it to. Then I could finish number 3000 without ABS too.

The difference between the top of the heap in GT5 and the average player is actually far greater than that same difference in real life racing at almost every level. I raced karts for several years and other than a real beginner, most guys know how to get a kart around the track fairly quickly and with consistency. I remember nearly entire fields at the Nats covered by a single second. But in open lobbies, with any PP/tire combination, I can run a 4 or 5 lap race and finish 20-30 seconds ahead of half the field nearly every time.

And yet I can't hold a candle to the top guys in this TT or any other. At the end of the lap the difference is 2, 3, 4 seconds, but it's really only a tenth or less...per corner..per entry...per exit. If you have a course with 12 corners, that's 24 entries and exits. A tenth difference on each one is 2.4 seconds at the end of the lap. Given that the average human blink is about 0.25 seconds I believe, the difference between me and the superaliens is literally less than the blink of an eye on each entry and exit. An extra blink of controlling a powerslide, an extra blink early on the throttle etc. The vast, vast majority of us just don't have that extra blink of timing and that's the difference between aliens and the rest of us.

No matter what physics you use, no matter what car, track or tires you use, no matter if tire wear is on or off or the wheels are made of wood, and the motor fueled with fairy dust, most of us still not have that blink of an eye. The same guys with that same talent from God almost always combined with hard work and dedication, will still be the best.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

C'mon Sally we both know you weren't joking You'd love it if it were a noABS time trial you're just so used to everyone piling on when you mention noABS I think it threw you for a loop when someone actually agreed with you...lol. Actually, I'd love it to. Then I could finish number 3000 without ABS too.

The difference between the top of the heap in GT5 and the average player is actually far greater than that same difference in real life racing at almost every level. I raced karts for several years and other than a real beginner, most guys know how to get a kart around the track fairly quickly and with consistency. I remember nearly entire fields at the Nats covered by a single second. But in open lobbies, with any PP/tire combination, I can run a 4 or 5 lap race and finish 20-30 seconds ahead of half the field nearly every time.

And yet I can't hold a candle to the top guys in this TT or any other. At the end of the lap the difference is 2, 3, 4 seconds, but it's really only a tenth or less...per corner..per entry...per exit. If you have a course with 12 corners, that's 24 entries and exits. A tenth difference on each one is 2.4 seconds at the end of the lap. Given that the average human blink is about 0.25 seconds I believe, the difference between me and the superaliens is literally less than the blink of an eye on each entry and exit. An extra blink of controlling a powerslide, an extra blink early on the throttle etc. The vast, vast majority of us just don't have that extra blink of timing and that's the difference between aliens and the rest of us.

No matter what physics you use, no matter what car, track or tires you use, no matter if tire wear is on or off or the wheels are made of wood, and the motor fueled with fairy dust, most of us still not have that blink of an eye. The same guys with that same talent from God almost always combined with hard work and dedication, will still be the best.

Right I just want to see the all aliens have to do the Silverstone GTA with no ABS, fastest tire wear and locked BB - dare I say 5/5, and see how their per sector times fluctuates compared to now, one lock ups, massive grip loss True, the top ten will be in the top ten, but only the driver with massive dedication can get into top ten. The mention of locked 5/5 BB and no ABS as compulsory will put off most drivers Sinister thoughts

I've been doing the GT86 Comfort Hard Autumn Ring TT with no ABS, still in the top 200 now at 1:39.580. Give this one a go JP, you'll love it, and it's based on real life GT86 tire spec - factory delivered tire- Michelin Primacy as fitted on optional package Prius-all sub 420PP cars should have CH

 

[LeMansAid]

Right I just want to see the all aliens have to do the Silverstone GTA with no ABS, fastest tire wear and locked BB - dare I say 5/5, and see how their per sector times fluctuates compared to now, one lock ups, massive grip loss True, the top ten will be in the top ten, but only the driver with massive dedication can get into top ten. The mention of locked 5/5 BB and no ABS as compulsory will put off most drivers Sinister thoughts

I've been doing the GT86 Comfort Hard Autumn Ring TT with no ABS, still in the top 200 now at 1:39.580. Give this one a go JP, you'll love it, and it's based on real life GT86 tire spec - factory delivered tire- Michelin Primacy as fitted on optional package Prius-all sub 420PP cars should have CH

I read so much about tyre wear in relation to GTA. It's one lap!! So, "fastest tire wear" would be how fast? Unrealistically fast?

OK.... Qualifying for a GP:
- team says "get the best time possible"
- driver conserves tyres
- driver finds new job.

Also, apparently people have been doing 100 laps in a row. That's not realistic, they would run out of fuel!!

There is nothing wrong with being a purist, I applaud it in fact. However, this really does come across like very un-sweet hydrated sultanas.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I read so much about tyre wear in relation to GTA. It's one lap!! So, "fastest tire wear" would be how fast? Unrealistically fast?

OK.... Qualifying for a GP:
- team says "get the best time possible"
- driver conserves tyres
- driver finds new job.

Also, apparently people have been doing 100 laps in a row. That's not realistic, they would run out of fuel!!

There is nothing wrong with being a purist, I applaud it in fact. However, this really does come across like very un-sweet hydrated sultanas.

I just seeing things from different perspective, if tire wear is on fastest and no ABS or other assists allowed ( no TC, AS, ASM ), driver would be forced to drive smoothly and gentle on the tires, any loss of traction, skids, or wheel lock ups will result in diminished overall tire grip - wear out for the rest of the laps - you can always restart but will face the same risk from 1st turn !!.

This will ensure drivers be smooth not only on throttle and steering, but also brakes ! Drivers with patience, dedication, consistent throughout all corners and smooth precision driving style will get the best results. If you can string fast lap times under dire limitation - circumstances, you push harder than the rest on better situation ( qualify run in real life )
And drivers will actually have to take lines and negotiate corners like in real life - no more mash the brakes deep into corner without any worries and slid the apex without any worries of tires getting hotter + loses grip and speed ( some even use handbrake )

The time won't be as low as now, but the fast drivers will be more spread on the board and we will see who can get the most out of a tire and perform under huge restrictions - no assists. The silly wheel lock up crashes from last year 370Z race camp would be a lot less and GTA might produce better raw talented people with even higher dedication.

With current ABS 1 + no tire wear, any driver can abuse the brakes like no tomorrow and induce oversteer/drift on low speed corners like there's no consequence at all - it seems to give better times as well.

If only looking for pure dedication on doing hundreds of lap finding that perfect sector times strung together without any worries of overcooking the brakes or tires, yeah current GTA is awesome

End my rambling I'm not eligible for GTA, did the TT for the sheer fun and these are just my thoughts.

 

[superwally]

Realistic is impossible when you are sitting in your room with a drink and a snack and the A/C on. Realistic is impossible when you feel no G-forces and are using only your eyes and the limited feedback from various force feedback wheels and limp pedals to gauge what the car is doing. Realistic is impossible without a 3 axis hydraulic rig and a wraparound screen. Realistic is impossible when your car exists in 3 dimensions, and on the screen you can see just two.

PD knows all of this. Kaz drives race cars. At best, the game is an attempt to give the player the chance to trick the mind into thinking it's real. Because of this, GTA contestants must use the available skills that translate directly from actual driving to virtual-concentration, focus, adaptation, dedication.

If you want 'realistic' driving than put your PS3 or PC away and head out to your local track or autocross. Maybe if you are good enough at these perfect techniques you describe, you'll get a chance to sit in a 'real', multimillion dollar simulator someday, and you'll be able to say you did it the 'right' way, and beat your chest ad infinitum.

If you want to continue in GTA, learn to deal with the contest as it's presented-if that means you have to learn how to chuck the car at the apex to get the nose pointed, then do it. If wheelspin is quicker, spin 'em. Short shift. Clip the grass, clip the dirt, clip the apex, clip the kerb, clip your nails if that's what it takes. If you feel faster in your underpants....by all means, race in your underpants.

Sooner or later, if you have the stuff, you'll get to prove it in a realistic situation, maybe at the same track in the same car as this competition....then you can come back and tell us all how unrealistic it all was.

 

[roamer2629]

best drivers will find a way to be among the fastest in any condition. Of course Im not one of them.