GT Academy 2013 Gripes

[CJSpencer77]

I think that's unfair to say.

A majority of the guys that make it to Regional Finals have been employed from what I knew. A lot of us had to grind the TT around full time jobs. Some even had full time jobs and school.

It's all about dedication man, just go for it and you will find the time.

So player one gets the time to sleep, wake up, and play all day, and repeat. = 28 days of play

So player two gets to go to work 9-5 + overtime and only gets to play at weekeneds = 8 days of play

Hmm ill be betting on Player 1, dont get me wrong, im a programmer for a living and work a lot from home, basically if my work is done my time is mine, so i get to have a good crack at the acadamy. im not at the top not because of a lack of practice but because of a lack of skill !!!, but even though it would mean my time would be slower id like to see the playing field leveled, all aids off and 20 hot laps. I believe you would get a better cross section of drivers.

Obvioulsy it wont happen bacuse its not so good for Nissans marketing, but surely you can see how this is fairer?

 

[ASH32]

I doubt anyone can run for hours on end and keep improving, when I run for too long I make way too many mistakes. Ok I'm not a alien but I can't see them being immune from this.

You can bet if there was a limit they would be an exploit too anyway, so this is the only way.

 

[BanditKarter22]

So player one gets the time to sleep, wake up, and play all day, and repeat. = 28 days of play

So player two gets to go to work 9-5 + overtime and only gets to play at weekeneds = 8 days of play

Hmm ill be betting on Player 1, dont get me wrong, im a programmer for a living and work a lot from home, basically if my work is done my time is mine, so i get to have a good crack at the acadamy. im not at the top not because of a lack of practice but because of a lack of skill !!!, but even though it would mean my time would be slower id like to see the playing field leveled, all aids off and 20 hot laps. I believe you would get a better cross section of drivers.

Obvioulsy it wont happen bacuse its not so good for Nissans marketing, but surely you can see how this is fairer?

It's not fairer though, what if someone bought another PS3 and registered false details to get a bit of practice in first? That would give them a huge advantage if you only had 20 laps! The way it's run at the moment is the fairest, if you give everyone as much time as they can then everyone will have a chance to set a lap quick enough for qualification, it doesn't take that long to be fast enough to qualify, the 8 days would be ample time for that for any driver who is serious about entering the competition, the rest of the days would be spent chasing the last few tenths, which would only be necessary to be fastest in region or top 10 in the world.

 

[CJSpencer77]

It's not fairer though, what if someone bought another PS3 and registered false details to get a bit of practice in first? That would give them a huge advantage if you only had 20 laps!

Thats a fair point, i dare say there would be loop holes, but no one can convince me that more practice doesnt equal faster times.

Btw nice time

 

[BanditKarter22]

Thats a fair point, i dare say there would be loop holes, but no one can convince me that more practice doesnt equal faster times.

Obviously that is true but if you really want to qualify then you will find time to put the practice in, even an hour a day and you should do a fast lap by the end 👍

Cheers 👍

 

[CJSpencer77]

Obviously that is true but if you really want to qualify then you will find time to put the practice in, even an hour a day and you should do a fast lap by the end 👍

Cheers 👍

Im 18.2 atm and struggling to find the 17's lol and ive put a fair whack of time in so far........... ill get my coat

btw if there is a side tournament for the most amount of 18.3's ever done on Silverstone your all in big trouble.

 

[BanditKarter22]

Im 18.2 atm and struggling to find the 17's lol and ive put a fair whack of time in so far........... ill get my coat

btw if there is a side tournament for the most amount of 18.3's ever done on Silverstone your all in big trouble.

I'm sure you'll get there eventually, still plenty of time left

Have you watched Tidgney's tutorial? It may be helpful 👍

 

[Seismica]

I've just done my first stint of 8-10 laps or so. At the moment i'm at 2'20.1xx. I can see a low 2'19 or a high 2'18 using my current techniques if I string the right sectors together. I'm a bit out of practice, having not played GT since November, and having not competed in a GTP_WRS event for nearly a year. I'm sure the times will tumble over the next few days, but I can't honestly see anything below 2'17.5xx, which won't be enough in the UK.

I'm watching the top replays and they're able to get the car turned in much easier than I. Are they using the handbrake or something? I also notice that the track boundaries are very inconsistent. I get penalised for putting a wheel on the green concrete on exits (Particularly the exit of the final corner), but people are using the gravel on the entry to turn one and then cutting across the grass at the apex.

 

[JerseyDriverSS]

So player one gets the time to sleep, wake up, and play all day, and repeat. = 28 days of play

So player two gets to go to work 9-5 + overtime and only gets to play at weekeneds = 8 days of play

Hmm ill be betting on Player 1, dont get me wrong, im a programmer for a living and work a lot from home, basically if my work is done my time is mine, so i get to have a good crack at the acadamy. im not at the top not because of a lack of practice but because of a lack of skill !!!, but even though it would mean my time would be slower id like to see the playing field leveled, all aids off and 20 hot laps. I believe you would get a better cross section of drivers.

Obvioulsy it wont happen bacuse its not so good for Nissans marketing, but surely you can see how this is fairer?

Hmm... I worked a 45 hr work week and still do and made it to national finals last year (as a matter of fact i'm typing this at work). The making time argument is pretty weak. This may sound harsh, but you either got it or you don't.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

So player one gets the time to sleep, wake up, and play all day, and repeat. = 28 days of play

So player two gets to go to work 9-5 + overtime and only gets to play at weekeneds = 8 days of play

Hmm ill be betting on Player 1, dont get me wrong, im a programmer for a living and work a lot from home, basically if my work is done my time is mine, so i get to have a good crack at the acadamy. im not at the top not because of a lack of practice but because of a lack of skill !!!, but even though it would mean my time would be slower id like to see the playing field leveled, all aids off and 20 hot laps. I believe you would get a better cross section of drivers.

Obvioulsy it wont happen bacuse its not so good for Nissans marketing, but surely you can see how this is fairer?

I think that is where wildcards feature quite well like current one in Goodwood. Fastest person on day gets a place in finals. The way it is setup, if you are determined and fast enough at the game, you will make it.

Also your scenario above, it all depends on who is the faster driver in the game, a few laps done by player two could be faster than 28 days of playing with long sessions by player one. 8 days of play seems more than enough to qualify.

If one needs to work on fundamentals of their driving technique and understanding on how to go fast, then they probably have not done their best to prepare themselves for TT and extra days will help but will always be a struggle to qualify. It is even possible to practice for years before this TT came out on say other sims or even better on GT5. If you can improve your understanding and competitive order before GT Academy TTs come out, then it will make chances of qualifying much higher.

 

[Jump_Ace]

So player one gets the time to sleep, wake up, and play all day, and repeat. = 28 days of play

So player two gets to go to work 9-5 + overtime and only gets to play at weekeneds = 8 days of play

Hmm ill be betting on Player 1, dont get me wrong, im a programmer for a living and work a lot from home, basically if my work is done my time is mine, so i get to have a good crack at the acadamy. im not at the top not because of a lack of practice but because of a lack of skill !!!, but even though it would mean my time would be slower id like to see the playing field leveled, all aids off and 20 hot laps. I believe you would get a better cross section of drivers.

Obvioulsy it wont happen bacuse its not so good for Nissans marketing, but surely you can see how this is fairer?

I know what you mean, I used to think the same way. However, I recently thought that it doesn't really matter if you try and limit the laps or not because what people always forget is the number of hours they've spent during their life prior to the event that is going to help them the most.

Let me break it down this way, who do you think would win:

Player 1 - Has let's say 10,000 hours of GT, Forza, Iracing and the like and spends 10 hours on GT:A 2013

or

Player 2 - Who has spend let's say 500 hours of GT, Forza, Iracing and like and spends 50 hours on GT:A 2013

It's a no brainer that Player 1 would likely be faster than Player 2. Player 2 spend 5x as much time on GT:A 2013, but is going to be slower because they don't have the experience, knowledge and patience of Player 1.

Moral of the story is GT:A is a measure of your skills today. If you want to do better, log those hours this year in preparation for next years GT:A 👍


Jerome

 

[iMikeTheKing]

My only gripe about GT Academy 2013 is that Traction Control is on by default and I don't know if it is possible to turn it off by default. I always start my practice sector and remember that it is on.

 

[Seismica]

My only gripe about GT Academy 2013 is that Traction Control is on by default and I don't know if it is possible to turn it off by default. I always start my practice sector and remember that it is on.

To anybody that doesn't know, you can turn traction control off. In the race menu (Where you can load/save ghost replays and stuff) select driving options. If you scroll down there is an option to turn traction control down from 7 to off. I know it's on by default every time you load the game, but it's fairly simple to switch off. It's one of my gripes too.

In GT5 you had to do this for each individual car and it saved your preferences. But in this case, the time trial is a special event and so the car preferences are not saved. You will notice that if you go back the your leaf or your standard 370z from the tutorial, traction control will indeed be off by default.

EDIT: I also think i've figured out what my problem is. I know the track absolutely inside out, my lines are actually very good. It's the car that i'm not comfortable with. I do not have the confidence to throw the car into the corners, and when I do I lose traction because I can't control the car properly once it's unsettled. Simply put, i'm not putting the steering lock on quickly enough, and in some corners i'm not using enough full stop. I'm going to have to practice that technique, as my usual technique is very smooth and it's clearly not the fastest way to go (I remember having similar issues at Motegi last year IIRC, especially with turn 1). If I put in a good number of hours over the next week I should be able to get down to the low 18s. The regional finals are still completely out of reach, but I guess i'll see how things pan out.

 

[DigitalBaka]

I know what you mean, I used to think the same way. However, I recently thought that it doesn't really matter if you try and limit the laps or not because what people always forget is the number of hours they've spent during their life prior to the event that is going to help them the most.

Let me break it down this way, who do you think would win:

Player 1 - Has let's say 10,000 hours of GT, Forza, Iracing and the like and spends 10 hours on GT:A 2013

or

Player 2 - Who has spend let's say 500 hours of GT, Forza, Iracing and like and spends 50 hours on GT:A 2013

It's a no brainer that Player 1 would likely be faster than Player 2. Player 2 spend 5x as much time on GT:A 2013, but is going to be slower because they don't have the experience, knowledge and patience of Player 1.

Moral of the story is GT:A is a measure of your skills today. If you want to do better, log those hours this year in preparation for next years GT:A 👍

Jerome

This.

Ti-tech, Tidgney, Immortalpilot and the others didn't just magically get fast because they spend 20 hours a day in GTA. They are there because they spend that much time EVERYDAY behind the wheel. They didn't suddenly appear at the top, they've always been there. Whether you limit to 1000, 100 or 10 they will still be at the top. The unlimited laps are for the rest of us who try, mostly in vain, to chase them down.

Things like this are ALWAYS determined by preparation before the event, not who spends the most time on it during the event. All things being equal, I have improved my position over 800 places from last year simply by spending as much time as I could in GT5 preparing for this year. It wasn't every day and not usually more than two hours but refining my skill is what has made the difference, because I certainly haven't spent as much time on it as some can.

If you want to race for a living you have to be prepared to put in the effort because it simply won't land in your hands otherwise.

 

[Ramanujan]

This made me laugh.

 

[macshome]

My gripes are pretty much the same as the rest, and the same for the last Academy too.

• Gotta turn off TC every time you start the game up.
• Can't turn off the ghosts. I'm happy to just check the sectors and be able to see the apex.
• Still no replay controls. Really PD? It is 2013 you know.
• Wildly varied cut detection. It would be simple to say that two wheels must be on the track side of the white line at all times. Then every corner is equal. I know that using the kerbs are a big part of the lap here in real life, but it's frustrating in-game as you don't see as much as you do in real life.

Having fun in any case. Slow fun, but fun all the same.

 

[LeMansAid]

Ive been saying this for ages, you should register your real name and then you get 20 laps one after another, your best lap from these 20 should be the one that counts, because atm its best unemployed sim racer acadamy

Would you like to apply this philosophy to training in other sports as well? I know that in this specific situation it is to a degree concurrently training and competing, but seriously..... Would you limit the amount of balls bowled in the nets by the English cricket team? Part of it is finding dedication..... a huge part of it in fact.

 

[mistersafeway]

• Can't turn off the ghosts. I'm happy to just check the sectors and be able to see the apex.

You can, just press up, same as GT5.

 

[magsolid]

I know what you mean, I used to think the same way. However, I recently thought that it doesn't really matter if you try and limit the laps or not because what people always forget is the number of hours they've spent during their life prior to the event that is going to help them the most.

Let me break it down this way, who do you think would win:

Player 1 - Has let's say 10,000 hours of GT, Forza, Iracing and the like and spends 10 hours on GT:A 2013

or

Player 2 - Who has spend let's say 500 hours of GT, Forza, Iracing and like and spends 50 hours on GT:A 2013

It's a no brainer that Player 1 would likely be faster than Player 2. Player 2 spend 5x as much time on GT:A 2013, but is going to be slower because they don't have the experience, knowledge and patience of Player 1.

Moral of the story is GT:A is a measure of your skills today. If you want to do better, log those hours this year in preparation for next years GT:A 👍


Jerome

You're totally wrong. Spending too much time driving infront of a tv only makes you get tired, as a result you will not perform well, plus you will soon wear glasses.
Getting good sleep, eating, learning, and physical exercices is one of the useful thing to do. Professional race driver do other things as well rather then spending too much time driving, am i right yearh? 👍

Trully yours ;
Magsolid

 

[Dabest]

My gripe, is after watching the fastest replays, I feel this has gone from GT Academy, to Formula Drift Academy! Since when, is it faster to power slide through corners than to be smooth? Too bad they didn't implement tire management. I feel that would change things. And don't get me wrong. If they can do it, anybody else can. But I was going as fast as I could smoothly and I was in the 8000's world wide, and now after practicing my power slide, I managed to get down to 200th world wide in one of the events. I just don't feel like this is a very good representation of what they're actually trying to judge in the competition. To me it gives a feeling of being "corrupt".

I agree but if you start the GT Academy 2013 Demo the winner of the first GT Academy says its better to turn smoothly and no sudden turns. He must be lying to me.

 

[Goruk]

I agree but if you start the GT Academy 2013 Demo the winner of the first GT Academy says its better to turn smoothly and no sudden turns. He must be lying to me.

Watch Ti-tech replay from inside the car, very little use of wheel inputs, timing and weight transfer is the way to go:tup:

 

[mistersafeway]

You're totally wrong. Spending too much time driving infront of a tv only makes you get tired, as a result you will not perform well, plus you will soon wear glasses.
Getting good sleep, eating, learning, and physical exercices is one of the useful thing to do. Professional race driver do other things as well rather then spending too much time driving, am i right yearh? 👍

Trully yours ;
Magsolid

Do you think he meant 10,000 hours in a row or something? That's supposed to represent a couple of hours a day for 10+ years.

 

[Tidgney]

So player one gets the time to sleep, wake up, and play all day, and repeat. = 28 days of play

So player two gets to go to work 9-5 + overtime and only gets to play at weekeneds = 8 days of play

Hmm ill be betting on Player 1

Ti-tech, Tidgney, Immortalpilot and the others didn't just magically get fast because they spend 20 hours a day in GTA. They are there because they spend that much time EVERYDAY behind the wheel. They didn't suddenly appear at the top, they've always been there. Whether you limit to 1000, 100 or 10 they will still be at the top. The unlimited laps are for the rest of us who try, mostly in vain, to chase them down.

Things like this are ALWAYS determined by preparation before the event, not who spends the most time on it during the event. All things being equal, I have improved my position over 800 places from last year simply by spending as much time as I could in GT5 preparing for this year. It wasn't every day and not usually more than two hours but refining my skill is what has made the difference, because I certainly haven't spent as much time on it as some can.

If you want to race for a living you have to be prepared to put in the effort because it simply won't land in your hands otherwise.

On a weekday I get 30mins to an hour max to play GT Academy, some days not at all, because of work/training etc. As has been mentioned by digital and Jerome, the competition was always going to happen this year, so if you don't prep for it then as a result you won't get the best outcome. I've done a million 17.3/4/5's yesterday in the longest I've played this academy (About 2 hours 30 mins yesterday), limiting laps has no real impact and generally the same people would be at the top, ye the top rankings may differ slightly and the borderline aspect may see new people, but currently where ever you are at now, you will have to push to improve. I even started a video series before christmas which was called 'The road to GT Academy 2013' which looked at driver improvement and alot of people have loved that series and seen improvements, but that was before christmas as I knew, and so did others it was going to happen.

But now if you say you are in the 18's/19's then you will really have to study your playstyle to start pushing even further. As an example I have had to reevaluate how I enter/exit Luffield recently as my aggressive second gear started ruining the exit on some top laps so now I'm being less aggressive and getting a shorter second for a better 3rd and seeing better consistency from it. Ye ok my fastest possible luffield won't be available any more but I can make sure consistency and nailing the top lap when I'm on it is there, to get the improvement. But I've done this with managing that 30 minutes or an hour I have as best as I can to really understand each lap, try and best adapt and evaluate to get a better lap. Ye it's come to weekend now and if I hadn't have redlined a few laps I could be 4/5 tenths up from the .4 I had in the week (Currently on a .2), but I've used the midweek time to nail a good session at the weekend.

That's my 2 pence worth !

P.s. Digital I'm quite honoured you've put my name in the middle of Ti-tech and Immortal , as they are rather crazy drivers! And big congratulations on your 800 places great work 👍

 

[Epke]

Is it me? i can't find a way to set it to km/h? i am from Europe the mainland we use the metric system.

 

[mistersafeway]

I saw somebody state that different language settings change it. Try changing it to Japanese to see if it works?

 

[Barra333]

I haven't had a great deal of time to play this, but like others, my main gripe is the corner cutting detection. I swear I have been hit when the mid line of the car crosses the white line - outside wheels just off rumble strip, inside wheels still on tarmac.
The worst is when I get Vale wrong and instead of getting red lapped, I get the next lap DQ'd too. I don't see how getting two wheels off at the 2nd last corner helps the next lap.
GT5 does it too - hit the pit entry wall at the Nordschleife and get the next lap DQ'd

 

[ShaneUK]

This.

Ti-tech, Tidgney, Immortalpilot and the others didn't just magically get fast because they spend 20 hours a day in GTA. They are there because they spend that much time EVERYDAY behind the wheel. They didn't suddenly appear at the top, they've always been there. Whether you limit to 1000, 100 or 10 they will still be at the top. The unlimited laps are for the rest of us who try, mostly in vain, to chase them down.

Things like this are ALWAYS determined by preparation before the event, not who spends the most time on it during the event. All things being equal, I have improved my position over 800 places from last year simply by spending as much time as I could in GT5 preparing for this year. It wasn't every day and not usually more than two hours but refining my skill is what has made the difference, because I certainly haven't spent as much time on it as some can.

If you want to race for a living you have to be prepared to put in the effort because it simply won't land in your hands otherwise.

Just putting forward my experience. I had not played GT5 for a long time prior to GT Academy 2012, with the exception of my friends coming around I had not played it for around 9 months. The fastest guys, in my opinion, don't need to put the hours in solidly, regularly in order to reach the higher end of the leader board.

With that said, you can argue if I had spent more time I could have reached a higher level... so I can see the logic in that.

This year I have been at uni so I haven't had time to play except when I go home every couple of months for a weekend. With that said though, I have put a lot of time into the actual academy this year, simply because I am going away for over a week now so I wanted to secure a strong position with only a couple days free to hit the game when I return.

Arguments for both sides here, it certainly won't harm to keep practicing on the game in between academies, but the amount of time a person could gain as a result of that could be drastically different, some gaining a lot with others gaining little.

Hope I have approached this from both sides, and added my experience. Good luck to everyone in the UK and around the world, I won't be hitting the UK board until at least the 23rd, but I'll be hitting it hard

 

[GTP_rpm]

There's no point complaining that some have more time than others, when there are bigger variables in peoples equipment.

Someone with a controller, on a black and white 15" screen in a house with noisy kids running around will be at a significant disadvantage to those who have a G27 with proper gaming chair, custom buttons, a dedicated games room with a very large and fast TV.

It will never be 'fair' and this is acceptable because neither is racing. There's no such thing as an identical car, or engine, or tyre...so there will always be variables and that's the way it is for now and will be forever.

Deal with it.

 

[DBY___86]

To be fair this time argument is getting boring now. Of course time matters but not in the context of 26 days of academy. Tidgney, bandit and the other top guys have been playing a long long time so it's irrelevant how much time you have to play, their experience gets them to the top a lot quicker. Most of us could have all 28 days to try out and they would probably need one 8 hour shift to get in the top ten. It just comes down to experience. As a lot of people have said if you think it's unfair, keep playing regularly until next years comp and see how much you improve and get closer to the top, chances are you will improve a lot! If your good you don't need the full allotted time to qualify.

 

[racingRAW]

There's no point complaining that some have more time than others, when there are bigger variables in peoples equipment.

Someone with a controller, on a black and white 15" screen in a house with noisy kids running around will be at a significant disadvantage to those who have a G27 with proper gaming chair, custom buttons, a dedicated games room with a very large and fast TV.

It will never be 'fair' and this is acceptable because neither is racing. There's no such thing as an identical car, or engine, or tyre...so there will always be variables and that's the way it is for now and will be forever.

Deal with it.

Very well said. I'm currently in the top 65 with a controller, but I feel that even if I were able to get into the top 31 that I wouldn't have a chance at getting to Silverstone considering that I would probably have to use a wheel at the national finals, and I've never used a wheel in GT!