GT remakes on playstation store- likely?

AFAIK the PS3 does not have the graphics capabilities to just play PS2 games outright. The decoding of PS2 software is completely different from PS3 and PS1 games. The PS2 releases on PSN are re-engineered so they will play on a PS3.

Hence why most of the remakes are games that weren't very large (data wise) when released. GT4 was one of only a select few which actually required a dual-layer DVD, so the chances of it happening with that are slim.

To backup the point I made above about PS3 and PS2 compatibility, my PC has far more computing power than a PS2, but because of the level of encoding and type of encoding on the games it cannot emulate PS2 graphics properly and with a half decent frame rate. Not from a power point of view, but from a software hierarchy POV.

Exactly. What you're emulating is in fact the hardware, to varying degrees, which is mildly insane (in a good way). In order to get the most out of console games, you have to dig deep into the architecture and really start understanding how it works at the lowest level. Hence, you need the idiosyncrasies (especially what it does in extreme circumstances) of the hardware itself to be properly emulated, too. This is why third party emulators take so long to get up to snuff, because much of it is trial and error / reverse engineering.

The PS3s originally came with the PS2's processors actually "in the silicon", as it were, for near-perfect backwards compatibility. They soon stopped that for cost reasons; first dropping the CPU (partial software emulation, many issues with backwards compatibility) then the GPU, too (effectively no backwards compatibility). There must be a reason Playstation games work on any PS3; maybe the performance gap in the hardware means the burden of proper software emulation isn't as much of an issue.
If there's anyone in the right position to get a software emulator of the PS2's hardware working efficiently on the PS3, it's Sony. Sadly, it seems they're not going to do that any more, instead they appear to have opted for PSN re-releases and HD remakes (as someone else put it, it's like vinyl->cassette->CD->"digital"). Then again, it may never have been feasible, performance-wise, in the first place.

A port is a different matter, because you're essentially changing all the hardware-specific parts of the code. But it's still a lot of work, especially with those games that worked the hardware hardest first time out (i.e. the GT games).

The way GT games have been, though, you only really need to update GT5 with the missing features and content from the previous games. Realistically, that probably means waiting for GT6 (although I personally wouldn't count on it.)
 
But you can already play GT2 on your PS3...

Any PS3 can play PS1 games - you just have to region-match the console and disc (PS3 is region-free for PS3 games only).
 
But you can already play GT2 on your PS3...

Any PS3 can play PS1 games - you just have to region-match the console and disc (PS3 is region-free for PS3 games only).


Sadly PS2 BC is now getting rare as the older machines that had it are dying off and the replacements are not capable.
 
Which doesn't affect GT1 or GT2. All PS3s can play all PS1 games, so long as the console and disc are the same region.
 
On www.ebay.com, a new in box ps3 launch US 60 gig still goes for $1,000. Sometimes you can get one as low as 650 bucks never opened but its rare. I miss my launch ps3 60 gig. It may sound insane but yes I am looking to get one of them. Play it all and has more features than the slims. Its the best way and only way to play all ps1 and ps2 games on ps3. On subject now, I stand with Famine regarding this. Its very unlikely that GT 1,2,3,4 will come to PS Store. You know how many license's that PD has to renew??? I bet more than the total cars in GT5. Especially those cars that were in for only one game it will cost a lot.
 
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On www.ebay.com, a new in box ps3 launch US 60 gig still goes for $1,000. Sometimes you can get one as low as 650 bucks never opened but its rare. I miss my launch ps3 60 gig. It may sound insane but yes I am looking to get one of them. Play it all and has more features than the slims. Its the best way and only way to play all ps1 and ps2 games on ps3. On subject now, I stand with Famine regarding this. Its very unlikely that GT 1,2,3,4 will come to PS Store. You know how many license's that PD has to renew??? I bet more than the total cars in GT5. Especially those cars that were in for only one game it will cost a lot.

Seems a little weird they would have to renew them on a game thats already released a fair while ago.

Im not saying its not true just weird.
 
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Seems a little weird they would have to renew them on a game thats already released as fair while ago.

Im not saying its mot true just weird.

I just thought of this as well. In GT2 they had Seiko sponsor the timing side of GT2. PD would had to get a license for that too. Whatever they used in the game they need to get another license for it. So its more than just the cars too.
 
I believe what you mean there is "I disagree".

It is not "false" that I spoke to SCE this time last year about it. It is not "false" that the person I spoke to has been credited in every GT game to date. It is not "false" that they no longer hold the licences for earlier GT games. It is not "false" that they would need to reacquire the licences to either promote a GT game using earlier ones or rerelease earlier ones.

You can disagree until the cows come home, but it is not "false".

Technically, I believe what he means is "your source was mistaken when he told you that they no longer hold the licenses."

He wasn't claiming you haven't spoken with SCE, he was claiming that the person who informed you that the licenses had expired was mistaken. Unless your source was credited as "Legal Counsel for Intellectual Property" or something similar the chances that he actually understands the specifics relating to licensing are very, very slim. Also, as demonstrated by the posting of the "Big Bad Wolf" advertizement, Sony has used images from prior GT games in the promotion of GT5, so whatever licensing there is, at least some use of imagery from prior GT games is permitted for advertizing purposes which contradicts at least that potion of what your source claimed.

What seems most likely is that the original licenses have not expired, but they only allow use in the specific game named, as coded for its original console (e.g. SCE still has a license to produce GT1, but only for the original Playstation and only in disc format) and do not allow production of the game for other consoles (e.g. for PS2 or PS3).
 
I just thought of this as well. In GT2 they had Seiko sponsor the timing side of GT2. PD would had to get a license for that too. Whatever they used in the game they need to get another license for it. So its more than just the cars too.

yep. miss that analogue meter too
 
Technically, I believe what he means is "your source was mistaken when he told you that they no longer hold the licenses."

He wasn't claiming you haven't spoken with SCE, he was claiming that the person who informed you that the licenses had expired was mistaken. Unless your source was credited as "Legal Counsel for Intellectual Property" or something similar the chances that he actually understands the specifics relating to licensing are very, very slim. Also, as demonstrated by the posting of the "Big Bad Wolf" advertizement, Sony has used images from prior GT games in the promotion of GT5, so whatever licensing there is, at least some use of imagery from prior GT games is permitted for advertizing purposes which contradicts at least that potion of what your source claimed.

What seems most likely is that the original licenses have not expired, but they only allow use in the specific game named, as coded for its original console (e.g. SCE still has a license to produce GT1, but only for the original Playstation and only in disc format) and do not allow production of the game for other consoles (e.g. for PS2 or PS3).

As I said earlier, SCEA - the originators of that advert - are their own outfit. What they choose to do is unrelated to PD and SCEI.

The person we spoke to - over some months - at SCEI was in the Licensing & Products Department and the specifics regarding the licensing were very, very specific. The facts remain that the agreements in place for GT1 and GT2 (and other earlier games) are no longer in place. It's not beneficial to me for this to be the case, but it is.


So all you can do is buy old GT1/2 discs from your region (if it's the USA, I'd suggest getting the Greatest Hits version of GT2 to avoid the percentage bug) and play them on your PS3. You can pick up cheap PSTwos on eBay for £20 to play old GT3 and 4 games (and Concept and Prologue if you aren't in the US). They aren't going to be coming to PSN any time soon. Though I hope I'm wrong.
 
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