GT Sport game Hack and cheats

Should this be patch? E brakes and Brake Boost?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 83.9%
  • It's ok

    Votes: 5 16.1%

  • Total voters
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Lots of great info there, thank you. While I do understand all of that, I’m still highly suspicious of many of these laps. Not simply because there fast, but how ‘robotic’ they are. Maybe once in a blue moon a guy could zone out and not make a single steering adjustment on a straight, for example, but I’m sure most people would agree that they could tell the difference between a human (even some Lewis Hamilton that sits infront of his $10k PS5 setup, 8+ hrs a day, everyday) vs an AI driver.
I’m not a whiner that cries cheater whenever someone easily out preforms me. I play COD often and have 14 y/o’s wipe their tears with me before I can blink. I know there’s a select few that a phenomenal, yet I don’t agree with the physical athlete analogy. People aren’t better at gaming because of a physical gift or ability. Unless you include neural physiology.
Anyways, thanks for the constructive replies, and info. I’m sure I’m not alone wondering how in gods name can someone be seconds faster than the matrix lap I just did, lol. I’m sure I could do a lot better with a wheel / pedals and definitely more consistent. It’s so sad when I just drove flawlessly for minutes, then wipe out on the last turn, lol.
Thanks again
 
It's not one lap qualifying. You've got all week to improve it and by the end, the top 10 are pretty much pixel perfect and right on the limit of what's possible.
 
I’m sure I’m not alone wondering how in gods name can someone be seconds faster than the matrix lap I just did, lol.
Why don't you post a video of your "matrix lap"? The PS4 (and PS5) records everything it sees, so you just need to tell it when to start and when to stop and you've got a video.

Set it to any view except cinematic, include all the on-screen lap data, and we can all see where you're shedding these seconds and help you stop wondering.
 
Lots of great info there, thank you. While I do understand all of that, I’m still highly suspicious of many of these laps. Not simply because there fast, but how ‘robotic’ they are. Maybe once in a blue moon a guy could zone out and not make a single steering adjustment on a straight, for example, but I’m sure most people would agree that they could tell the difference between a human (even some Lewis Hamilton that sits infront of his $10k PS5 setup, 8+ hrs a day, everyday) vs an AI driver.
I’m not a whiner that cries cheater whenever someone easily out preforms me. I play COD often and have 14 y/o’s wipe their tears with me before I can blink. I know there’s a select few that a phenomenal, yet I don’t agree with the physical athlete analogy. People aren’t better at gaming because of a physical gift or ability. Unless you include neural physiology.
Anyways, thanks for the constructive replies, and info. I’m sure I’m not alone wondering how in gods name can someone be seconds faster than the matrix lap I just did, lol. I’m sure I could do a lot better with a wheel / pedals and definitely more consistent. It’s so sad when I just drove flawlessly for minutes, then wipe out on the last turn, lol.
Thanks again
There are some players referred to as Aliens. Because they drive unbelievably fast. And perfect.

I've raced a few. Many here have raced them. Lap guides are on PS and YouTube by some of them. Some stream live. Generally they are extremely easy to approach and share tips. None that I know of are secretive in any way.

There used to be an annual Championship held live. Where Aliens faced off against each other. Millions watched. The FIA sanctioned it. The winners got trophies at the same ceremony as the F1 winners and other Champions.

The 1st World Champion was Igor Fraga. That's him below. I got to race him in GT Daily Race once. He went from last to 3rd in 1 lap and flew by us all. :)

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Lots of great info there, thank you. While I do understand all of that, I’m still highly suspicious of many of these laps. Not simply because there fast, but how ‘robotic’ they are. Maybe once in a blue moon a guy could zone out and not make a single steering adjustment on a straight, for example, but I’m sure most people would agree that they could tell the difference between a human (even some Lewis Hamilton that sits infront of his $10k PS5 setup, 8+ hrs a day, everyday) vs an AI driver.
I’m not a whiner that cries cheater whenever someone easily out preforms me. I play COD often and have 14 y/o’s wipe their tears with me before I can blink. I know there’s a select few that a phenomenal, yet I don’t agree with the physical athlete analogy. People aren’t better at gaming because of a physical gift or ability. Unless you include neural physiology.
Anyways, thanks for the constructive replies, and info. I’m sure I’m not alone wondering how in gods name can someone be seconds faster than the matrix lap I just did, lol. I’m sure I could do a lot better with a wheel / pedals and definitely more consistent. It’s so sad when I just drove flawlessly for minutes, then wipe out on the last turn, lol.
Thanks again
Why are you so insistent that a bunch of people who've spent more time with the game and are better at the game than you are wrong?

Here's the profile of the guy who won the Nations Cup this year and has raced at the top level since the game came out: https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=5980830

400 days driving time. I'm sure you could do better with a wheel and pedals, I'm sure anyone could improve with that if they spent long enough with it, but right now you are not as good as you think you are. People are better than you. There are literally years of evidence of this on the internet. It's not a plot, it's not a conspiracy that we're all in on, it's people with more skill than you who have put more time into the game than you.
 
Why are you so insistent that a bunch of people who've spent more time with the game and are better at the game than you are wrong?

Here's the profile of the guy who won the Nations Cup this year and has raced at the top level since the game came out: https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=5980830

400 days driving time. I'm sure you could do better with a wheel and pedals, I'm sure anyone could improve with that if they spent long enough with it, but right now you are not as good as you think you are. People are better than you. There are literally years of evidence of this on the internet. It's not a plot, it's not a conspiracy that we're all in on, it's people with more skill than you who have put more time into the game than you.
Hey,
I’m not sure where your getting the impression that I’m insisting anyone is wrong. Or how you interpret that I think I’m the best, or so good. I’m simply stating my opinion, and suspicions.
I thought I was crystal clear in doing so, and perhaps your being presumptuous and assuming I’m crying that I’m not winning races.
I have zero problems losing, and have no illusions that I can compete with the best. Honestly. I don’t like to lose obviously, and these sport mode races are pretty bad in how anyone behind you just bumps you, and there goes your race. I mean after playing the game against AI drivers that putting them in the wall is enjoyable, it’s not easy to adjust. I think they should make all racers ghosts to each other, cause it’s that bad.
Anyways, cheers, and give me a wave as you blast past me, lol.
 
Why don't you post a video of your "matrix lap"? The PS4 (and PS5) records everything it sees, so you just need to tell it when to start and when to stop and you've got a video.

Set it to any view except cinematic, include all the on-screen lap data, and we can all see where you're shedding these seconds and help you stop wondering.
How embarrassing, lol. I know full well where I’m losing time, and I’m just simply not good enough to carry maximum speed through every corner. Using a controller makes things a serious challenge, and wiping out or losing time and having to start over takes too much time for me to spend hours and hours for that one lap where I nail the whole track.
I’m sure you and others could tell me things I didn’t realize yet. If not for watching the replays of the alien laps, it would have taken me ages to figure out the perfect line, if ever.
I watch those replays in detail, brake points, speed in & out, apex, etc. it’s awesome there is so much info out there like car tunes and such. It really makes it possible for average players to get good.

I’m pretty sure everyone that can gold the game, are all ‘good drivers’. That’s not a common trait, as a actual drive through your city will prove that. lol.

I have my Nürburging Nordschiefe circuit experience lap saved, and I’m very proud of my 6:56, lol. Took me quite a while to matrix that one.

Again, I don’t think I should be posting top times, and think everyone that is better is cheating. I just find some of the replays, and times hard to believe any human did them, let alone a few dozen or more. I suppose real racers play this, cause why wouldn’t you. It’s decent practice while your not in the million dollar simulator at work, lol.

Cheers
 
How embarrassing, lol. I know full well where I’m losing time, and I’m just simply not good enough to carry maximum speed through every corner. Using a controller makes things a serious challenge, and wiping out or losing time and having to start over takes too much time for me to spend hours and hours for that one lap where I nail the whole track.
I’m sure you and others could tell me things I didn’t realize yet. If not for watching the replays of the alien laps, it would have taken me ages to figure out the perfect line, if ever.
I watch those replays in detail, brake points, speed in & out, apex, etc. it’s awesome there is so much info out there like car tunes and such. It really makes it possible for average players to get good.

I’m pretty sure everyone that can gold the game, are all ‘good drivers’. That’s not a common trait, as a actual drive through your city will prove that. lol.

I have my Nürburging Nordschiefe circuit experience lap saved, and I’m very proud of my 6:56, lol. Took me quite a while to matrix that one.

Again, I don’t think I should be posting top times, and think everyone that is better is cheating. I just find some of the replays, and times hard to believe any human did them, let alone a few dozen or more. I suppose real racers play this, cause why wouldn’t you. It’s decent practice while your not in the million dollar simulator at work, lol.

Cheers
It's difficult to understand what you think. Some of the top times are real but some are cheating? Is that right?

Regardless of that, I think part of the reason people have asked the questions of you that they have is because periodically on GTP people make an account and basically say that the top times are unachievable and that they must be cheating or the game is broken. At this point these people fall into one of two categories. Those that decide to try and get better by learning more and become part of this community, and those that remain convinced that people must be cheating or the game is broken and we never hear from them again.

For what it's worth, plenty of people are extremely fast using a pad. If you do decide to post your matrix lap here, you'll get loads of helpful advice.
 
For what it's worth, plenty of people are extremely fast using a pad. If you do decide to post your matrix lap here, you'll get loads of helpful advice.
And I'll watch it with pleasure, even though there's no chance I would be able to give any advice as I have two left hands with 5 thumbs :D
 
Hey,
I’m not sure where your getting the impression that I’m insisting anyone is wrong. Or how you interpret that I think I’m the best, or so good. I’m simply stating my opinion, and suspicions.
I thought I was crystal clear in doing so, and perhaps your being presumptuous and assuming I’m crying that I’m not winning races.
I have zero problems losing, and have no illusions that I can compete with the best. Honestly. I don’t like to lose obviously, and these sport mode races are pretty bad in how anyone behind you just bumps you, and there goes your race. I mean after playing the game against AI drivers that putting them in the wall is enjoyable, it’s not easy to adjust. I think they should make all racers ghosts to each other, cause it’s that bad.
Anyways, cheers, and give me a wave as you blast past me, lol.
Have a read of this article from a couple of years ago: https://www.gtplanet.net/top-gt-sport-players-hours-spent/

It'll give you a good idea of what they're like.
 
PlayDoh, watch the videos on GTPlanet's News page about superhuman AI's beating the best GTS players. I think you will see that these so called "cheating" players are still a few tenths off the perfect lap. When compared to a "perfect" AI, their driving isn't so perfect after all. Their mistakes are just very tiny and imperceptible to you and me.

What the AI is doing to these top drivers, is the same as what they are doing to you. Small teeny tiny almost indiscernible accuracy improvements. But they're there and over a lap, it adds up.

When the World Tour events return to live format, you should come and check one out in person to see for yourself how these guys drive (a lot of it is in Europe so should be pretty easy for you).
 
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When I first started online I was convinced some of the cars were AI. I thought they were too fast to be real.

Man was I wrong. AI is much faster. :lol:
 
To be fair, we should back off a bit on PlayDoh... He's highlighted what he feels is a glitch, and peeps should feel safe to do that without receiving abuse.


I agree that he's jumped to further assumptions about the extent of the use & benefit of the glitch, however the original glitch report is something we should encourage.
 
To be fair, we should back off a bit on PlayDoh... He's highlighted what he feels is a glitch, and peeps should feel safe to do that without receiving abuse.


I agree that he's jumped to further assumptions about the extent of the use & benefit of the glitch, however the original glitch report is something we should encourage.
I’ve noticed how anyone who questions the legitimacy of times and such, get roasted pretty quick here. Thank you for your reply. I think people forget that it’s just an opinion, and suspicions.
I was about 1/2 hr into the “Road to GT7’ practice, when I knew something was off. My very best lap on Suzuka, which I’m decent at, I was like 8 seconds off. When while it was a daily race I was within 2 seconds from the best.
Then watching the replay of the top ten I see that their on RS tires. Same car, AM DBR9 GT1 ‘10 GR3, same event and their times were posted a day ago. So somehow that’s possible. Since I can only select RH, it’s a pretty decent advantage. Even if it was some ‘legit’ way of selecting RS tires, it’s in no way clear how. I’m hesitant to call it a cheat, but essentially from where I’m sitting it is.
I’m not butt-hurt about it, I wouldn’t come within a mile of the top ten I’m sure. Yet it’s not a level playing field.
 
When I first started online I was convinced some of the cars were AI. I thought they were too fast to be real.

Man was I wrong. AI is much faster. :lol:
I used to think AI were the cars at the bacK of the grid, but those players just want the CRB. :lol:
 
I’ve noticed how anyone who questions the legitimacy of times and such, get roasted pretty quick here.
No, people who assert those faster than them are cheating get challenged to provide evidence.

Usually this results in no evidence, and occasionally - but not always - tantrums about it.

I was about 1/2 hr into the “Road to GT7’ practice, when I knew something was off. My very best lap on Suzuka, which I’m decent at, I was like 8 seconds off. When while it was a daily race I was within 2 seconds from the best.
Then watching the replay of the top ten I see that their on RS tires. Same car, AM DBR9 GT1 ‘10 GR3, same event and their times were posted a day ago. So somehow that’s possible. Since I can only select RH, it’s a pretty decent advantage. Even if it was some ‘legit’ way of selecting RS tires, it’s in no way clear how. I’m hesitant to call it a cheat, but essentially from where I’m sitting it is.
Oh, my actual everything. You absolutely cannot be serious right now.

Other people are cheating, from your point of view, because they're using the softest eligible tyre compound for the event to qualify on and you're not? Really?

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Also how did you "miraculously" get two seconds away from the world's best at Suzuka after being five seconds away at the end of January and ten seconds away in December?

It took me all of 2 mins watching a replay of a guy who miraculously was just one of the elite few who all post lap times 10+ seconds faster than mine.
If you continue that rate of improvement you'll be beating Valerio Gallo and Gran Turismo Sophy by the time GT7 launches on March 4th. I'd love to see your PSN profile, because that's going to be something quite spectacular.

I've stood in a room with 56 of the world's best GT Sport players and watched them drive live, on control equipment. Twice. On probably ten or so other occasions I've stood in a room with 30 of Europe's best GT Sport, GT6, and GT5 players, and watched them drive live, on control equipment.

There is nowhere for them to hide in a live arena. They are not cheating, they're just better than you at it. And better than me too, but I'm not making outlandish claims without any evidence about it.


Oh and change your front tyres first, not your rear tyres... I don't know why I'm helping you, given that you threw my last offer of help back in my face and have now gone back to "people faster than me are cheating", but I'm apparently nice like that.
 
No, people who assert those faster than them are cheating get challenged to provide evidence.

Usually this results in no evidence, and occasionally - but not always - tantrums about it.

Oh, my actual everything. You absolutely cannot be serious right now.

Other people are cheating, from your point of view, because they're using the softest eligible tyre compound for the event to qualify on and you're not? Really?

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Also how did you "miraculously" get two seconds away from the world's best at Suzuka after being five seconds away at the end of January and ten seconds away in December?

If you continue that rate of improvement you'll be beating Valerio Gallo and Gran Turismo Sophy by the time GT7 launches on March 4th. I'd love to see your PSN profile, because that's going to be something quite spectacular.

I've stood in a room with 56 of the world's best GT Sport players and watched them drive live, on control equipment. Twice. On probably ten or so other occasions I've stood in a room with 30 of Europe's best GT Sport, GT6, and GT5 players, and watched them drive live, on control equipment.

There is nowhere for them to hide in a live arena. They are not cheating, they're just better than you at it. And better than me too, but I'm not making outlandish claims without any evidence about it.


Oh and change your front tyres first, not your rear tyres... I don't know why I'm helping you, given that you threw my last offer of help back in my face and have now gone back to "people faster than me are cheating", but I'm apparently nice like that.
Yes I realize it says that, yet I’m presuming that’s referring to the actual race. I am given no option to chose any Tire other than hard.
And see I said I was hesitant to call it a cheat, yet let’s be real. Who would presume if you change the front tire first you can, but even at the BOP warning after car selection it has HARD in yellow, meaning it’s locked.
That’s obviously not a cheat, but a glitch on the developers end. Yet in the end, it completely makes the playing field uneven.

You can reduce what I and others have said down to “I’m not winning they must be cheating”, all day. Yet that’s not at all what I’ve said. And you can spout off all the gaming events you’ve watched in person, but it all boils down to physics.

If it takes you 10 mins to drive to work, and I told you I can do it in 4 mins, you’d know I was full of it. I’ve driven race cars, and I know enough to know that if I’m pushing the limits on a decent line, there’s only so much faster someone else can go. That’s presuming we’re on a level playing field. Which now that I know this trick, I’m sure all the BS times I’ve seen will be realistic.
Naturally it’s the rear tires one would attempt to change first, since it gets selected first. And there is NO WAY anyone should assume by selecting the fronts first you can change what you can’t by the rear. That makes zero sense. I’d be willing to bet the majority of people who’ve played this game wouldn’t ever figure that out on their own, and probably never will.

BTW, thank you very much for that. Honesty I’m finding it hard to understand how everyone who knows that, and sees a comment like mine, doesn’t instantly know what’s going on.

2 laps and I’m 4.5 secs faster. I gotta admit I was a little disappointed to see that same trick not work on the daily races, lol. Or maybe it does, but I did win my first race today. 1st place at the smash & bash 500, lmao. If I’m in anything higher than 3rd QT I won’t even bother.
 
Yes I realize it says that, yet I’m presuming that’s referring to the actual race. I am given no option to chose any Tire other than hard.
And see I said I was hesitant to call it a cheat, yet let’s be real. Who would presume if you change the front tire first you can, but even at the BOP warning after car selection it has HARD in yellow, meaning it’s locked.
That’s obviously not a cheat, but a glitch on the developers end. Yet in the end, it completely makes the playing field uneven.

You can reduce what I and others have said down to “I’m not winning they must be cheating”, all day. Yet that’s not at all what I’ve said. And you can spout off all the gaming events you’ve watched in person, but it all boils down to physics.

If it takes you 10 mins to drive to work, and I told you I can do it in 4 mins, you’d know I was full of it. I’ve driven race cars, and I know enough to know that if I’m pushing the limits on a decent line, there’s only so much faster someone else can go. That’s presuming we’re on a level playing field. Which now that I know this trick, I’m sure all the BS times I’ve seen will be realistic.
Naturally it’s the rear tires one would attempt to change first, since it gets selected first. And there is NO WAY anyone should assume by selecting the fronts first you can change what you can’t by the rear. That makes zero sense. I’d be willing to bet the majority of people who’ve played this game wouldn’t ever figure that out on their own, and probably never will.

BTW, thank you very much for that. Honesty I’m finding it hard to understand how everyone who knows that, and sees a comment like mine, doesn’t instantly know what’s going on.
It's a well known "glitch" regarding tire selection, and in the Daily races you can only select different tires in the C race, and if allowed by the Race Rules, which you should always check before going in.

In the BoP warning screen "Hard" in yellow does not mean it's locked. Tire selection has nothing to do with BoP...... so prepare for the roasting, lol.

There are many, many peculiarities in this game, which is one of the reasons it takes a long time to get good at it. You can post your questions elsewhere on this site, to get the facts first, before assuming it's a cheat and posting wrong statements here. If you restrict your comment to something neutral like "hey, how come I can't change my tires to RS in the Daily C" you will get lots of help, without the backlash.
 
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@PlayDoh another thing to look at is the threads and articles on this site that discuss these series. Such as the Road to GT7 series. You would also find out, if you haven't already, that unlike some past games tuning is allowed for these races so there will be that difference as well.
Again, questions for help are answered, usually pretty quickly too. As for the cheats that started this whole thread, the cheat was shown to exist and be possible with an attached device. And video evidence that couldn't be argued with was found and posted. But the fact this cheat was only useful to an extremely small minority of the games population and the fact that it was unusable for an advantage in sport mode (the major component of GTS) meant it wasn't a worry. If PD wasn't fixing bigger problems affecting very large amounts of the player base then something this small wasn't even likely to register on their radar.
Cheats happen, wall rides and such are still pointed out when they become possible or viable on dailies and competition races and complaints fly all day and night in the related threads for those races. But hacking seems to be nearly nonexistent and less realistic compared to practice and skill.

And glad you've sorted out the tires.
 
@PlayDoh You've commented that people who raise questions around cheating get "shouted down", but this really isn't the case. All we do is ask for evidence, and in the example of hacking, no evidence has ever been produced.

When a cheat or exploit has been found there are parts of the community that will jump on it and use it to their advantage. Examples of this include wall riding (still happens), skipping the Goodwood chicane, skipping the Cayalunya chicane, skipping about half the track at Horse Thief Mile, and one weird situation at a Monza race where you could increase the power of the Gr.4 Lambo using the "Drift" tune sheet allowing you to run the car at a higher power. There's probably more examples that I've forgotten about.

When these happened they were very quickly noticed, discussed at length here (with evidence) and eventually fixed by PD.

My point is if there was a way to cheat, the top times would be rife with it, there would be evidence of it in the replays (other than "look how smooth and consistent they are") and we'd be talking about it here.

You still seem to have the attitude that if you see something you don't understand it must be a glitch or possibly cheating. If you see something you don't understand just ask. For sure some of the UI is unclear in GTS so some things aren't obvious to people new to the game. If you just ask you will get more understanding responses.
 
You can reduce what I and others have said down to “I’m not winning they must be cheating”, all day. Yet that’s not at all what I’ve said.
Yeah, you just keep banging on about being "highly suspicious of many of these laps", how they're "very unlikely", it's "hard to believe any human did them", and that there's "something going on"...
I’m still highly suspicious of many of these laps
Their replays look so robotic. So either there are pro, or should be pro drivers spending 8+ hrs a day for months on each of these tracks, with Maclaren’s simulators. Possible, but very unlikely IMO.
I just find some of the replays, and times hard to believe any human did them, let alone a few dozen or more.
There has to be something going on.
The reality is that there's nothing going on apart from you not being as fast as them.

Speaking of which...

It took me all of 2 mins watching a replay of a guy who miraculously was just one of the elite few who all post lap times 10+ seconds faster than mine. That’s your first clue something isn’t right. Next watch the replay and you can see plain as day people just boosting out of corners magically.
At the moment the gr3 daily race on Interlagos I’m getting 1:34’s. [vs 1'29 world best]
My very best lap on Suzuka, which I’m decent at, I was like 8 seconds off. When while it was a daily race I was within 2 seconds from the best.
Suzuka was a Gr2 Daily Race last week and an N300 Daily Race at the beginning of January.

So how did you get from 10+ seconds slower on December 30th to only two seconds slower on February 6th (best case)? As you're convinced other people are "sus", "unlikely", "hard to believe" and "there has to be something going on", it stands to reason you were using cheats to get that much faster. How did you cheat your way to closing that eight-second gap?

Or did you just get better by practising more? Or make up some numbers for your arguments?

And you can spout off all the gaming events you’ve watched in person, but it all boils down to physics.
Not... really.

All these top "God-tier", "elite few" players who are "miraculously" posting lap times 10, or six, or five, or two seconds faster than you and "boosting out of corners magically" attend these events. They're live, in-person events (up to the World Tour in Sydney in February 2020, thanks to world events after that) where nobody can plug in a cheat device to the control equipment unseen and use magic to be faster than everyone else; the possibility exists in the World Series thereafter, but Sony supplies and monitors all the required equipment and all the replays are captured independently of the players too.

Despite this inability to use their cheats and hacks, they're still faster than you (and me). There isn't "something going on", they're just better at the game.

If it takes you 10 mins to drive to work, and I told you I can do it in 4 mins, you’d know I was full of it.
I'd assume you had a better route and try to replicate it.

Though it only takes me ten seconds to get to work (more if I stop by the bathroom on the way past) and I'd be curious exactly why you were in my house and indeed in bed with my wife.

That’s presuming we’re on a level playing field. Which now that I know this trick, I’m sure all the BS times I’ve seen will be realistic.
And again, claiming it's not a level playing field, that using the right tyres is a "trick" and the top times are "BS".


It's so weird that the only plausible explanation is the one you're not open to in any way: you're not as good as you think you are. This often comes as a shock to people only used to racing the AI in Gran Turismo.
 
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I liken driving fast to drawing a perfect circle with an etch-a-sketch. You think your inputs are mirroring those that can do it, but when you look at the screen you have something roughly representing a non circular blob. Its simply not as easy as it looks.

And if you think it sucks in GTS, wait until you drive your car in anger in real life and convince yourself the car is the reason why you cant be in the top 3 or 5 lap times. Then the Alien hops in your crap pile and destroys your time in your car. Talk about a reality check. The closer you get to the tip of the spear, the HARDER it is to find that time. Its like going from a circle, to a perfect circle.

Fast laps require precision of input, timing, car control. Minimizing time in every corner while maximizing exit speed. Its calculus not algebra, its art, not drawings.

4 years ago I was being lapped by A+ drivers. 3 years ago I was 3.5 to 4 seconds off the top times. Now I'm about 1 to 1.5 off the aliens. Anyone can do it, just a question of desire and time required to get there in relation to the amount of natural talent.
 
Yeah, you just keep banging on about being "highly suspicious of many of these laps", how they're "very unlikely", it's "hard to believe any human did them", and that there's "something going on"...




The reality is that there's nothing going on apart from you not being as fast as them.

Speaking of which...



Suzuka was a Gr2 Daily Race last week and an N300 Daily Race at the beginning of January.

So how did you get from 10+ seconds slower on December 30th to only two seconds slower on February 6th (best case)? As you're convinced other people are "sus", "unlikely", "hard to believe" and "there has to be something going on", it stands to reason you were using cheats to get that much faster. How did you cheat your way to closing that eight-second gap?

Or did you just get better by practising more? Or make up some numbers for your arguments?

Not... really.

All these top "God-tier", "elite few" players who are "miraculously" posting lap times 10, or six, or five, or two seconds faster than you and "boosting out of corners magically" attend these events. They're live, in-person events (up to the World Tour in Sydney in February 2020, thanks to world events after that) where nobody can plug in a cheat device to the control equipment unseen and use magic to be faster than everyone else; the possibility exists in the World Series thereafter, but Sony supplies and monitors all the required equipment and all the replays are captured independently of the players too.

Despite this inability to use their cheats and hacks, they're still faster than you (and me). There isn't "something going on", they're just better at the game.

I'd assume you had a better route and try to replicate it.

Though it only takes me ten seconds to get to work (more if I stop by the bathroom on the way past) and I'd be curious exactly why you were in my house and indeed in bed with my wife.

And again, claiming it's not a level playing field, that using the right tyres is a "trick" and the top times are "BS".


It's so weird that the only plausible explanation is the one you're not open to in any way: you're not as good as you think you are. This often comes as a shock to people only used to racing the AI in Gran Turismo.
You seem to really enjoy this, and can’t help but make my opinion look so ridiculous. Why does it bother you what I think? Your multi-quote innuendo sessions seem to be all you have to offer.
I’m a whiner, slow driving idiot, and just so stupid I should just accept that I’m slow and not post my opinion on a public discussion forum? Is that your point? Cause you’ve made it clear enough.

I’ve stated my times, so I’m not sure what else is confusing. I’ve played this game like 2-3 months, and probably not GT since PS3. Yet back in the day, I couldn’t play GT enough. I’ve raced cars, bikes and been a professional driver (truck) for 12 years, so I know a thing or 2 about driving.

That doesn’t mean I don’t think I could ever be wrong about this game. In fact if you actually look at how I’ve worded my opinion, I’ve stated I’m “suspicious”, and how I have doubts. Obviously from others comments, I’m not the only who’s had those thoughts.

The initial reason I even commented her was to make light at how toxic a lot of the comments were to the OP. Like there was some burden of proof he had to provide, and so many qualified expert opinions on script cheating, yet they have admittedly little knowledge on scripts and cheats/exploits.
Making a script to record your inputs, then stitching them together to have an auto-drive lap comprised of your best corners over time, for example, wouldn’t be all that difficult. And I only have perhaps an above average knowledge of coding.
You don’t need a deep learning super computer to drive ‘perfect’ laps. The game contains the data-sets you need. It’s just as easy to program Alien AI competitors than it is to make ones the average Joe can compete with. In fact it would be easier to do such.
Anyways, I honestly don’t really care who cheats and how. I’m sure it’s a small minority, yet I’m also pretty sure it’s more than a drag racing cheat.
From seeing the stats on COD players, and how hundreds to thousands of people eat, sleep and breathe the game is astounding. No doubt there’s a similar proportion of gamers here.
My apologies for hijacking this thread. In the future I’ll know better to state my opinions and confusions here, and to look for oddities that let you get an advantage over most that didn’t Google for Easter eggs, lol.
 
You seem to really enjoy this
Not really. It's quite tedious seeing yet another person popping up claiming everyone faster than his is "sus" and "something has to be going on", when the reality is they're just not as good as they think they are, but can't accept it.
Why does it bother you what I think?
It... doesn't? This is a discussion forum. Opinions are posted, and discussed. If you don't want your opinions discussed... don't post them.
Your multi-quote innuendo sessions seem to be all you have to offer.
Innuendo? I'm being pretty clear in both what I say and to which point I'm addressing at any given time. It's also not multiquote, but individual uses of the reply function. It's really rather easy to use.
I’m a whiner, slow driving idiot, and just so stupid I should just accept that I’m slow and not post my opinion on a public discussion forum? Is that your point? Cause you’ve made it clear enough.
I've not said any of those things, so clearly it isn't.

I've offered to help you see where you're losing time once. You ignored it. I actually did help you in navigating a flaw in the UI. You called it a trick.

I’ve stated my times, so I’m not sure what else is confusing.
You got eight seconds faster in six weeks, after saying the people ten seconds faster than you were using magic, and you couldn't accept that there were "dozens" of them "mysteriously" faster than you.

How did you achieve this? Was it magic? Mystery? Cheats and hacks? They're the only possibilities you left on the table with your claims about others...

So while you set out to question the integrity of the top players, all you've done is highlighted your own.
 
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I liken driving fast to drawing a perfect circle with an etch-a-sketch. You think your inputs are mirroring those that can do it, but when you look at the screen you have something roughly representing a non circular blob. Its simply not as easy as it looks.

And if you think it sucks in GTS, wait until you drive your car in anger in real life and convince yourself the car is the reason why you cant be in the top 3 or 5 lap times. Then the Alien hops in your crap pile and destroys your time in your car. Talk about a reality check. The closer you get to the tip of the spear, the HARDER it is to find that time. Its like going from a circle, to a perfect circle.

Fast laps require precision of input, timing, car control. Minimizing time in every corner while maximizing exit speed. Its calculus not algebra, its art, not drawings.

4 years ago I was being lapped by A+ drivers. 3 years ago I was 3.5 to 4 seconds off the top times. Now I'm about 1 to 1.5 off the aliens. Anyone can do it, just a question of desire and time required to get there in relation to the amount of natural talent.
Point taken, and thanks for presenting it respectfully. I’m now aware I’m not competing with just ‘good drivers’ that play games for an hour after work, and 12 y/o’s with an XIM.
You do know that there’s no such thing as a perfect circle thought right? lol.
Cheers
 
Not really. It's quite tedious seeing yet another person popping up claiming everyone faster than his is "sus" and "something has to be going on", when the reality is they're just not as good as they think they are, but can't accept it.

It... doesn't? This is a discussion forum. Opinions are posted, and discussed. If you don't want your opinions discussed... don't post them.

Innuendo? I'm being pretty clear in both what I say and to which point I'm addressing at any given time. It's also not multiquote, but individual uses of the reply function. It's really rather easy to use.

I've not said any of those things, so clearly it isn't.

I've offered to help you see where you're losing time once. You ignored it. I actually did help you in navigating a flaw in the UI. You called it a trick.

You got eight seconds faster in six weeks, after saying the people ten seconds faster than you were using magic, and you couldn't accept that there were "dozens" of them "mysteriously" faster than you.

How did you achieve this? Was it magic? Mystery? Cheats and hacks? They're the only possibilities you left on the table with your claims about others...

So while you set out to question the integrity of the top players, all you've done is highlighted your own.
You win bud. I suck. I’m stupid. All I was posting was how everyone but me was cheating, and there was no such thing as great players besides me.
You got me. Touché
For the record, I didn’t ignore any offer to help, and I thanked you for every offer and suggestion. If I can offer you a suggestion, it would be to take a breath before replying, and understand people make mistakes, and have incorrect suspicions. Maybe re-read my posts like they were written by a friend or something. You might find your comprehension of what I wrote better, because trust me, your way off. And as an admin here, having patience, understanding and respect will set an example for others.
No hard feelings though. Sorry I wizzed in your cornflakes.
Cheers
 
You seem to really enjoy this, and can’t help but make my opinion look so ridiculous. Why does it bother you what I think? Your multi-quote innuendo sessions seem to be all you have to offer.
I’m a whiner, slow driving idiot, and just so stupid I should just accept that I’m slow and not post my opinion on a public discussion forum? Is that your point? Cause you’ve made it clear enough.

I’ve stated my times, so I’m not sure what else is confusing. I’ve played this game like 2-3 months, and probably not GT since PS3. Yet back in the day, I couldn’t play GT enough. I’ve raced cars, bikes and been a professional driver (truck) for 12 years, so I know a thing or 2 about driving.

That doesn’t mean I don’t think I could ever be wrong about this game. In fact if you actually look at how I’ve worded my opinion, I’ve stated I’m “suspicious”, and how I have doubts. Obviously from others comments, I’m not the only who’s had those thoughts.

The initial reason I even commented her was to make light at how toxic a lot of the comments were to the OP. Like there was some burden of proof he had to provide, and so many qualified expert opinions on script cheating, yet they have admittedly little knowledge on scripts and cheats/exploits.
Making a script to record your inputs, then stitching them together to have an auto-drive lap comprised of your best corners over time, for example, wouldn’t be all that difficult. And I only have perhaps an above average knowledge of coding.
You don’t need a deep learning super computer to drive ‘perfect’ laps. The game contains the data-sets you need. It’s just as easy to program Alien AI competitors than it is to make ones the average Joe can compete with. In fact it would be easier to do such.
Anyways, I honestly don’t really care who cheats and how. I’m sure it’s a small minority, yet I’m also pretty sure it’s more than a drag racing cheat.
From seeing the stats on COD players, and how hundreds to thousands of people eat, sleep and breathe the game is astounding. No doubt there’s a similar proportion of gamers here.
My apologies for hijacking this thread. In the future I’ll know better to state my opinions and confusions here, and to look for oddities that let you get an advantage over most that didn’t Google for Easter eggs, lol.

You probably don't realize this but he's actually protecting you from a lot harsher responses.

Your opinions are not new. It's a common "noob" misconception and a sign someone isn't that knowledgeable about the game.
 
You win bud. I suck. I’m stupid. All I was posting was how everyone but me was cheating, and there was no such thing as great players besides me.
You got me. Touché
For the record, I didn’t ignore any offer to help, and I thanked you for every offer and suggestion. If I can offer you a suggestion, it would be to take a breath before replying, and understand people make mistakes, and have incorrect suspicions. Maybe re-read my posts like they were written by a friend or something. You might find your comprehension of what I wrote better, because trust me, your way off. And as an admin here, having patience, understanding and respect will set an example for others.
No hard feelings though. Sorry I wizzed in your cornflakes.
Cheers
You could just share a video of one of your laps and the community can help you find where the difference in lap time is but yeah doesn’t seem like you want to go down that route
 
You win bud. I suck. I’m stupid.
You're very creative though. For example, I never said either of those things.
people make mistakes, and have incorrect suspicions
They sure do. But they tend to abandon them once they recognise they are mistakes or incorrect, rather than doubling down on them over and over and over again.

You're still banging the auto-drive/script drum, calling top times "BS" because you didn't put the right tyres on (which was a "trick"), and now the victim card has come out too...

Interesting lecture on "patience, understanding, and respect" from someone whose position started as literally calling everyone at the top of the leaderboards cheaters and claiming "something isn't right" and they're "boosting out of corners magically":

It took me all of 2 mins watching a replay of a guy who miraculously was just one of the elite few who all post lap times 10+ seconds faster than mine. That’s your first clue something isn’t right. Next watch the replay and you can see plain as day people just boosting out of corners magically.
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Are there very skilled players who play at a level well above the average? Yes. Are there hundreds and hundreds of them all mysteriously around the same level of God-Mode? No. There simply cheaters. Cheats are subtle by design, but it’s all it takes.
Where was your patience, understanding, and respect then, or does it only apply to responses addressed to you?

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Usually this results in no evidence, and occasionally - but not always - tantrums about it.
And there it is. Sadly predictable, really.
 
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