GT1 better than GT2 ? =\

[mistamontiel]

Sure, GT2 pushes you for longer but..I'm surprised Kazunori put out the game as it is..

Have any of you noticed how crisp and clean the debut, GT1 was ? I think I read somewhere on here that the staff then was a mere 7 heads, 7 people who put out the debut GT1.

As for GT2..the blocks are..barely bearable ? 0.o

 

[mani_23]

Ive never played gt2 but supposedly it has many bugs, and was generally rushed.
The nostalgia keeps me going on gt1 though, I still play it on my ps3

 

[Parnelli Bone]

This debate has been going on for years. When GT2 came out, immediately two camps of people began to form: those who were saying it was the best game ever, and those who found all the stuff PD didn't add in GT2 to make the game not as good. And to this day, there are some who'll say GT2 is the best, and others who'll say the original GT is better.

One thing is for sure...GT2 was a rushed game. It has more glitches, more problems, and some of these glitches are bad enough to ruin the entire game if one isn't careful (especially if the player has the glitchier 1.0 and 1.1 versions). It's glitchy because it was rushed to make the Christmas '99 season without sufficient beta testing. Also, there's plenty of stuff in GT (turbo boost slider, real-time qualifying rounds, better graphics, some cars that didn't make it into GT2) that's missing in GT2.

MY opinion? Each game has its own merits and each has its minuses. Neither game is overall better than the other, although I think GT's graphics are a bit better than GT2's. So I agree with you there, mistamontiel. But I've found some people who totally disagree with me...they say GT2's graphics are tops for whatever reason.

But there's other stuff. The original Gran Turismo has an overall more challenging feel, for instance. It has more of a flow from Sunday Cup to World Cup. But the original GT hasn't got lots of stuff GT2 has: 700+ cars...many more European and American autos, lots more tracks, rally as well as paved, more money from selling prizes and cars (GT was limited to either $10,000 or $12,000). MOre money available overall in GT2, and quicker, too! The list goes on and on, really. I compared both games long, long ago in another thread and came up with dozens of reasons why each game is better than the other; therefore if one thinks one is "the best", they're merely stating an opinion. Neither game is better than the other, unless you're looking at just one reason (rather than the entire game).

 

[mistamontiel]

Yehyo. How do I know if whether I've bought the 1.0 or the more stable 1.1 version ?

..just learned to upload ma avatar on here. Funny eh :]

GT2 I believe suffers frame rate as well, as GT1 feels smoother and faster. GT2 is definitely blocks up the ass =\

 

[Parnelli Bone]

You'll have to give me some time to answer that. I tried searching for the answer (cuz I KNOW I've found this info in the past) but couldn't find it at the moment.

Off the top of my head:

1.0 version: Car wash says it costs 5,000 credits, but really costs 50 cr.

1.1 version: I forget what the car wash costs...

1.2 version (may also be called Greatest Hits, since GT2 made platinum sales at some point) car wash says it costs 50 credits, and actually costs 50 cr.


...there's other stuff too, but I"m forgetting all of it at the moment. I'll find it though...

 

[Eric Demory]

All I'm saying is GT2 wins, but GT1 was amazing though.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Okay, I found it.


Version 1.0:
1. Car wash says 5000 cr. but actually costs 50 credits.

2. When you race Tahiti Maze against the Peugeot 206 it drives into a wall, gets stuck, and sits there the entire race while you buzz way ahead.

3. The Muscle car races are incorrectly labeled (I forget how...it has something to do with the license requirement I think).

4. 98.2% possible at best instead of 100% when you finish the game. This is due to the fact that GT2 was originally supposed to have drag racing, but this got dropped due to time constraints. PD never fixed the total game percentage until several months later.

5. Numerous typos; the most famous being when you enter the first race in the GT300 it says "Grand Valley Bast" instead of Grand Valley East.

6. Max Speed/Garage Bug. If you do Max Speed testing at the Test Track and save your game, it's very possible some very weird 🤬 will start to happen with your game over time. The records (where you've got your Top Speeds saved) get all screwy and won't make any sense. Cars may vanish from your garage. It's also possible for "mystery cars" to suddenly show up in the garage. These mystery cars will be called NO NAME instead of Toyota or Nissan or whatever. They may have very weird sound effects. They may also be transperant. All sorts of weird stuff. But the WORST thing about this bug is it can make all the cars in your garage vanish.

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Version 1.1
1. Car wash still not fixed (I think).

2. Tahiti Maze fixed. The Peugeot completes the entire course.

3. I forget about the muscle car part but I'm pretty sure they fixed it.

4. total percentage still at 98.2%

5. Some typos fixed (including the one listed above at GT300). But they never got all the typos!

6. Garage Bug still not addressed (according to people who owned version 1.1).


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Version 1.2 aka Greatest Hits

Everything listed above has been addressed and fixed except a few miscellaneous typos and odd glitches, like two cars that rub fenders with one another can wind up "melting" into one another for a few seconds (true). The Max Speed/Garage bug is also supposed to be fixed. 100% game percentage possible.

 

[mistamontiel]

Thanks, man ! I must have..er. My case doesn't say Greatest Hits but I believe it's 1.2

The Car Wash is normal, says it costs 50 credits..

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Thanks, man ! I must have..er. My case doesn't say Greatest Hits but I believe it's 1.2

The Car Wash is normal, says it costs 50 credits..

I would imagine you have 1.2.

My first copy of GT2 was actually a 1.0, and I didn't know there was a difference. Within a month or two, ALL my garages started to crash (I had several different games on several different memory cards). The game would occasionally freeze right in the middle of a race, too. Sometimes, I would go from one menu to the next and in between there'd be this black screen, and the menu would never pop up!

So after doing some research, I learned I had the buggiest game of all, and I traded it back to GameSTop. I kinda wish I still had it, though, jsut cuz it'll probly become a collector's item!

OH, I actually did get one of those mystery cars showing up in one of my garages, too. It had a transperant body shell on 4 wheels. I took it to some track, and I remember it wouldn't even move! But if I drove it in reverse, it would ZOOOOOOM take off real fast. Weird...

 

[Eric Demory]

What about for GT1?

 

[mistamontiel]

So 1.2 doesn't necessarily mean Greatest Hits ?

lol..crappest most rushed terrible glitched game in history. I can see it now. That 1.0 you had could be worth mad $$$ :]

Edit: Croooooooow. I can't imagine the debut being glitched. It was the first to be put out, y'know. They sure took their time and it was so fantastic, far more beautiful than GT2. But a GT is a GT :] gotta have em !

AH, Parnelli Bone. Did I read right in that old thread that the debut was made by a staff of a mere 7 people or so ?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

What about for GT1?

GT1 has different versions, too, but I don't know about them. Sportwagon would, though, I'll PM him.

GT1's versions aren't nearly as extreme as GT2's, mainly because they had lots more time to get things done properly, and less cars to design, etc.

So 1.2 doesn't necessarily mean Greatest Hits ?

Greatest Hits are all version 1.2s. But not all 1.2 games say "Greatest Hits" on them. This is because GT2 went Platinum (or whatever) sometime during 1.2's phase.

1.0 and 1.1 were short-lived in comparison to 1.2. Basically, 1.0 was released during the first couple months (Dec '99 thru Jan '00). So many people complained about 1.0's glitches, PD had to do something about it or they'd be really screwed with sales.

1.1 was their first fix, and I think it was out for a few months before they finally got it right (or as good as they could) for 1.2.

You have to also remember during this entire time, PD was also trying to get ready for the next phase. GT3 on the brand-new PS2. So it must have been totally chaotic!

lol..crappest most rushed terrible glitched game in history. I can see it now. That 1.0 you had could be worth mad $$$ :]

Edit: Croooooooow. I can't imagine the debut being glitched. It was the first to be put out, y'know. They sure took their time and it was so fantastic, far more beautiful than GT2. But a GT is a GT :] gotta have em !

AH, Parnelli Bone. Did I read right in that old thread that the debut was made by a staff of a mere 7 people or so ?

Don't know about that one! Again, Sportwagon or Pupik might, wherever they may be...

 

[SportWagon]

The second version of [size=+1]GT1[/size] seemed to have been put out to change a few Japanese model names. It had the side-effect of changing game shark addresses. From anecdotal evidence, it's possible they improved the likelihood of winning certain prize cars and colours, too.

Game sharks addresses identify the versions of [size=+1]GT2[/size] also.

One of the most amusing features of [size=+1]GT2[/size] v1.0 was that the Vector LM would show up as an opponent at the Trial Mountain 30.

It turns out that the names of the Honda prize cars you win in the FF or Lightweight series differ slightly depending upon which version of the game you have.

In version 1.0 there is a prize car awarded in the Lightweight which shows in your garage as EK CIVIC Type-R, and EK CIVIC in the bottom right-hand corner when you get in it, and shows as CIVIC TypeR in race screens. The same car, if you view the same garage in version 1.1 lists in your garage as simply CIVIC (Racer) and CIVIC when you get in it. In a race, it shows as CIVIC TypeR, as in version 1.0.

Similarly, in version 1.0, there is a prize car awarded in the FF series which shows in your garage as CR-X EF-8 Si-R, and as CR-X EF-8 when you get in it, although in a race it shows as CIVIC CRX'91. In version 1.1 that same car will show as CIVIC CR-X '91 Si when viewed in the garage, and as CIVIC CR-X '91 when you get in it, although similar to the other case, its in-race name of CIVIC CRX'91 is unchanged from version 1.0.

So, if you have a game save with one or both of those prize cars on it, you can use that save to tell which of the two versions of [size=+1]GT1[/size] you have by looking at those cars in your garage.

... it was previously always a mystery to me why published prize-car lists would use such a strange-sounding name for these two prize-cars. I had thought perhaps the name had been carried-forward unchanged from prize-car lists written for the original Japanese version of the game, or something, but, in fact, those two names at least, are how they appeeared in the original (v1.0) game.

 

[Jump_Ace]

GT1 was truly great, with one exception; the Copperhead. Dodge's concept car. The physics were just outlandish, like Escudo-wheeling on Test Course outlandish. Try taking the Copperhead to High Speed Ring

Now in GT2, I have the version 1.0 disc where I never actually got 100% completed, I always hated that bug :/. Like many people mentioned, in good detail, each game has its highs and lows and is a matter of preference. But I know the debate will continue on especially as GT5 approaches. But I'd be interested in seeing a poll on this topic

Jerome

 

[Parnelli Bone]

The second version of [size=+1]GT1[/size] seemed to have been put out to change a few Japanese model names. It had the side-effect of changing game shark addresses. From anecdotal evidence, it's possible they improved the likelihood of winning certain prize cars and colours, too.

Game sharks addresses identify the versions of [size=+1]GT2[/size] also.

On of the most amusing features of [size=+1]GT2[/size] v1.0 was that the Vector LM would show up as an opponent at the Trial Mountain 30.

Oh yea...totally forgot about the Vector at T. Mountain!

 

[Jump_Ace]

Man with all these bugs, makes me wonder if they were really such great games and how it slipped under KY's radar? Okay who am I kidding, they are great games

Jerome

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Man with all these bugs, makes me wonder if they were really such great games and how it slipped under KY's radar? Okay who am I kidding, they are great games

Jerome

The story goes: Kaz/pd wanted more time to develop GT2 properly, but big bad Sony was eager to get it out for the Christmas '99 season without sufficient beta testing.

From what I understand, the original GT had a lot more time-development. I think I read somewhere that PD's original game (Motor Toon, which was supposed to compete with Nintendo's Mario Kart) was a marginal success, and Sony was allowing Polyphony Digital a fairer amount of development-time for Gran Turismo. But Sony didn't have much faith that Gran Turismo would be a huge success....I mean....whoever heard of a videogame with ordinary, everyday cars like Honda Civics, Mazda Lantises, and Mitsubishi Eclipses, know what I mean? They probably thought it would appeal to a few hard-core gearhead type racing fans, and that's it. But GT2 was rushed in comparison to the original game, like I was saying.

PD/Sony learned some hard lessons from this time I'd imagine, and that's why they're taking a long, long time getting GT5 right.


If the rumors are all true (3D, real-time weather, damage, etc) there's gotta be a lot of stuff to beta-test for GT5. Tons of it. And it's the little stuff that often creates the biggest problems for programmers sometimes...

 

[Jump_Ace]

That all makes sense and sounds pretty typical I'm sure for new games as businesses are looking for that next 'cash cow'.

Jerome

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> ...

GT1 was truly great, with one exception; the Copperhead. Dodge's concept car. The physics were just outlandish, like Escudo-wheeling on Test Course outlandish. Try taking the Copperhead to High Speed Ring

Jerome

^ Haha! The Purple Eggplant Copperhead; I love that car! That car is all sorts of fun!

-> And yes I've taken that Copperhead on HSR ('90s) and many of the GT1 tracks has to offer. And it was hilariously fun! (makes me want to play GT1 again!)

 

[mistamontiel]

Damn this thread finally picked up !

..Dodge Copperhead ?? The Dodge Concept Car ? It's in there GT2 as well. 0.o

 

[qirex]

It is way much better. There is way to much stuff in GT2, Graphics and drive physic suffer because of that.

 

[mani_23]

It is way much better. There is way to much stuff in GT2, Graphics and drive physic suffer because of that.

Actually the graphics in gt2 were notably much better.

 

[IROC89CAMARO]

Actually the graphics in gt2 were notably much better.

Yeah i agree, back in 2000 i played GT2 first, then picked up GT latter on and was stunned how bad the game looked compared to GT2. Gran Turismo 2 had a bunch of glitches but the game was the pinnacle of the PS1 era.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

^ See, here's what I'm talking about mistamontiel! Lots of cars in GT2 look like rolling, colored blobs to me, but overall the same cars might look crisper and more defined in GT1...

...but there's always those who totally disagree! It never ends, actually..

 

[SportWagon]

The new tracks in [size=+1]GT2[/size] did not seem to have the crispness that the [size=+1]GT1[/size] tracks had. As if the [size=+1]GT1[/size] tracks were designed primarily to look good, while most of the new [size=+1]GT2[/size] tracks suffered from compromising on depiction of real-life scenery.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Tahiti Road was the worst. Looked like a 5 year old colored it in with crayons.

 

[mani_23]

Yes, But Doesn't stop gran turismo 2 from flatout having better graphics (Resolution), and alot more textures.. Its a fact.

The detail and quality of the game can be judged, but things like graphics cant really be judged often..

**Note that I Love gran turismo 1 way more than gran turismo 2, and I have only owned gt1, 4, and 5prologue (Currently my favourite Gt games). Gt 2 didn't have the quality of gt1, and gt3 kept the same look over to the ps2 (Which I was very dissapointed in) so it didn't look much revamped. Gt4 was the best so far, And Gt.5.prologue is just a must have for my ps3

 

[IROC89CAMARO]

^ See, here's what I"m talking about mistamontiel! Lots of cars in GT2 look like rolling, colored blobs to me, but overall the same cars might look crisper and more defined in GT1...

...but there's always those who totally disagree! It never ends, actually..

Look at the wheels and tires in "GT" they look horrible flat slow motion some not even moving lol. Atleast in GT2 they look alright moving at least, colors, textures, lighting in GT2 looks a hell of a lot better. GT2 is way more interesting than the original IMOH.

 

[mistamontiel]

mani_23 !! How the heck does GT3 just carry over to PS2 ? It was alright but was missing the much needed Hood camera GT4 has. And the great gauges..:] GT4 best by far for me, except for the stupid musics that always give me the red loading clock of death. I can never take care of GT4 =\ Disabled songs..not a biggy..the farthest I've went too..but damn Slipstream Missions I'll never handle :X

I hear ya Parnelli Bone. Golly. Sure, I'd assume GT1 debut focused on cars more. GT2 seems..to have cooly tracks..cars are terrible tho. Blocks zipping around..

 

[mani_23]

I mean in terms of the look, and physics. Gt3 was similar to the previous titles. But with incredibly improved graphics. As far as Features go, Yes it was A Big game, But I Didn't buy it for pretty much the same reason somebody wouldn't buy a Last gen looking game today (*As long as it isn't a series). Don't get me wrong, I Dont only look for graphics in a game, But I happened to come across gt3 when I Came across gt4, So it seemed disappointing. Its like If somebody had only played gran turismo 5.prologue and later played Gt3, They would be surprised, and maybe even disappointed.

But yes, GT4 was the best one so far,.. So far! (Gt5 )