GT4 HP vs GT5 HP
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- Gambleboyen
This sounds like the perfect thing for the engine rebuild to fix. If you overtune your engine, you get a warning that driving for prolonged periods with high HP will damage your engine. After a while your high HP engine will lose say 60% due to power overload, and you do the engine rebuild and it goes back to stock HP.
Of course you'd have to be able to remove the overtuning as well so you don't ruin the engine every time to try it.
I guess this should only be possible in an "expert" mode, say after you get to level 30, so that the kids dont start crying when they blow up their stupidly overtuned engines.
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- SkylineObsession
- Mangosaurus
I've always been annoyed at the unrealistic HP levels for cars in GT games. Skylines, RB26DETT'ed ones anyway, are all capable of over 1,000hp - like a guy in the Skyline club/same city i'm in has a 1,200hp+ R32 GT-R. Supras are the same.
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- SkylineObsession
- Mangosaurus
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- DaveM-sport
I like the idea of blowing up an engine and needing to use the engine rebuild function to fix it. In fairness NFS games all have the possibilty of blowing up an engine and they are far from realistic so I think GT5 should have it.
The BHP levels of some cars are pretty poor such as the RB26 and 1JZ engines, E46 M3 is capable of 1200 with a Supercharger and 480 N/A is actually pretty optimistic in the game to be honest.
The Chevelles and Chargers would easily be capable of 1000bhp or too in reality and obviously all the older big turbo engined race cars like the R92, Chaparals and Minolta should be capable of more.
Other thing is the difference between turbo size is pathetic too on many cars. A small turbo is only maybe 50-100bhp less than the biggest turbo on a car with already pretty decent power
The BHP levels of some cars are pretty poor such as the RB26 and 1JZ engines, E46 M3 is capable of 1200 with a Supercharger and 480 N/A is actually pretty optimistic in the game to be honest.
The Chevelles and Chargers would easily be capable of 1000bhp or too in reality and obviously all the older big turbo engined race cars like the R92, Chaparals and Minolta should be capable of more.
Other thing is the difference between turbo size is pathetic too on many cars. A small turbo is only maybe 50-100bhp less than the biggest turbo on a car with already pretty decent power
Stock quoted performance numbers:
2J (1970) - Chevrolet 90º V8 - ~680bhp @ 7.2k - 0.83 bhp per kilo
(http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2808/Chaparral-2D-Chevrolet.html)
2D (1966/67) - Chevrolet 90º V8 - ~420bhp @ 6.8k - 0.45 bhp per kilo
(http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/91/Chaparral-2J-Chevrolet.html)
R92CP (1992) - VRH35Z V8 (IHI Twin Turbo) - ~788 bhp @ 7.6k - 0.93 bhp per kilo
(http://www.supercars.net/cars/2041.html)
2J (1970) - Chevrolet 90º V8 - ~680bhp @ 7.2k - 0.83 bhp per kilo
(http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2808/Chaparral-2D-Chevrolet.html)
2D (1966/67) - Chevrolet 90º V8 - ~420bhp @ 6.8k - 0.45 bhp per kilo
(http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/91/Chaparral-2J-Chevrolet.html)
R92CP (1992) - VRH35Z V8 (IHI Twin Turbo) - ~788 bhp @ 7.6k - 0.93 bhp per kilo
(http://www.supercars.net/cars/2041.html)
veyron1001
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I find my Minolta easier to drive with the Turbo added than without for some weird reason.
Maybe qualifying trim could become available, possibly as an option in online races and free runs. To be honest how many online races would be classed as 'endurance' races? In A-Spec as well I think cars could survive qualifying trim for the duration of most races.
As for engine blowouts I'd like to see them in GT6. If PD are no longer required to keep cars running then that'd be the end of your race. If cars still have to keep running then the car could crawl back to pits, and when you leave the pits it'll have a noticable drop in power, as if it's not running on all cylinders.
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- wejhvabewjty
I remember to have in GT4 a 900HP Mitsubishi GTO, something impossible to do in GT5 
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- Spain
- wejhvabewjty
My Minolta was reaching 460Km/h, of course with the NOS. Why no nitro in GT5?
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I've noticed when upgrading turbos on older cars (F40 for example) that it seems like turbo lag is reduced, which makes sense since newer turbos are more efficient and have less lag...that can definitely improve driveablility.
As far as "OMG why can't I have a 1400HP Supra" or something...why? Why would you want a 1200HP Minolta? What are you racing it against that would be competitive? No, they're not allowing you to explore every tuning possibility of the machine, but it shouldn't be preventing you from enjoying (or dominating) with that vehicle.
I'd like to be able to tune something to ridiculous HP for the hell of it, but if I tried to run a 900HP Supra against a 900HP Minolta, the race car is going to dominate me every time. There's not that much practicality about it other than just seeing what absurd numbers you can create.
People already complain the game is too easy. If you could boost every car to 1000HP it'll just be that much easier.
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- Negrumir
I remember to have in GT4 a 900HP Mitsubishi GTO, something impossible to do in GT5
I think it's odd that a dodge SRT4 can get up to what? 650 - 750 hp?
But at the same time an NSX can't get much more than 500hp?
Plus I've met people who have 800hp + Honda accords. Yet I could only get like 320 or something out of the one on GT5.
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- FreedomWeasel
Why on earth would you want that much power in a FWD car?
edit: off topic, nevermind.
On topic though, as I said earlier, it's possible that PD put limits to somewhat show "safe" power levels for various cars. I would be surprised if an 800hp accord could run a race at the limit without something going wrong.
edit: off topic, nevermind.
On topic though, as I said earlier, it's possible that PD put limits to somewhat show "safe" power levels for various cars. I would be surprised if an 800hp accord could run a race at the limit without something going wrong.
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- Negrumir
They have a 1500hp, 500kg car that goes around hairpins at 200 mph... I doubt the limits are there to help us stay on the road.
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- Utah
It seems GT5 is a little bit more realistic in this aspect. Maybe GT5 considers what an engine is capable of handling with basic modifications...
Anyways, I really don´t care. I usually only add around 30 to 40 HP in my cars, since I like them stock, with a slight enhancement to acomodate to my driving likes. Stock specs rule!
I find your comment quite interesting. Although like I said above, I don´t like to tune cars, I myself experienced the same thing in GT4 with the TVR Speed Twelve. For some reason, when adding a turbo, the huge lag made it easier to exit corners at full throttle. That thing made like 1200HP, but it was alot easier to drive.
Anyways, I really don´t care. I usually only add around 30 to 40 HP in my cars, since I like them stock, with a slight enhancement to acomodate to my driving likes. Stock specs rule!
I find your comment quite interesting. Although like I said above, I don´t like to tune cars, I myself experienced the same thing in GT4 with the TVR Speed Twelve. For some reason, when adding a turbo, the huge lag made it easier to exit corners at full throttle. That thing made like 1200HP, but it was alot easier to drive.
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- FreedomWeasel
I should have been more clear, I meant safe limits for the engine itself. The first post mentions that the cars ran high HP numbers in qualifying. That's cool and all, but qualifying is not a race. Putting out more power obviously demands more of the various parts in the engine/drivetrain, and eventually something is going to break.
So as a hypothesis, perhaps PD decided that for car X, it was possible to run a race with a certain amount of power without ridiculous engine problems.
As an example, I was reading something about the RS200 Evo the other day, and forgive me if my numbers are a bit off, but in full race trim at max power the car could run for ~10 hours between full engine rebuilds.
So imagine taking that car and adding more power to it. How long would it last then?
Manufacturers typically do not allow random mechanical failure to be depicted in games, so perhaps this was PDs way of showing the point at which a car ceased to be reliable?
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- StephenNW10
freedomweasel
Not that long, my uncle used to run an rs200 in rallycross many years ago and it needed an engine check after every event, they werent cheap engines either but they dont last long running at 750+
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- Negrumir
You and FreedomWeasel make a good point...
...But it really doesn't matter since engines never break down in this game at all. I can be doing 200+mph in 6th gear and drop it to 1st with no side effect.
Or at least it would be cool if we could run those high tunes, just for short races and we would have problems in Endurance races and such.
Plus as I said, some cars already can be tuned to ridiculous amounts of horsepower which I guess would totally destroy them in a race lasting any longer than a couple minutes. (SRT4)
Question: The Samba Bus, Kubelwagen, and Shimwagen can be tuned from about 24hp to over 100hp (200 in the case of the samba bus) wouldn't those engines be ruined in short order as you say or are those just uber strong engines?
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- ghostrider135
Fact of the matter is it needs fixing, Real life highly tuned Nissan Skylines and Toyota Supras can hit the 1000bhp mark, Heck even a super highly modified Audi 80 managed 1500bhp in real life with the basic Audi engine block, Also most high level racers between the 70s-80s were capable quite easily of near 1000bhp, I reckon PD toned it all down to make the idiotic Redbull Xwing star fighter whatever it is look more impressive.
Edit... Nitrous Oxide needs bringing back for the Lancia Delta Rally Car as in real life they filled the rollcage with the stuff talk about mental.
Edit... Nitrous Oxide needs bringing back for the Lancia Delta Rally Car as in real life they filled the rollcage with the stuff talk about mental.
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- I_Grayson_Fox_I
but those 1000+HP skylines and supras are just for show, running on a dyno to show people how powerful they are and maybe a drag event.
But not racing around a track
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- StephenNW10
ghostrider135
Dont know where you got that information from but that was just a rumour.
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And in real life, the 2J could hardly stay in one race because they had to deal with all sorts of mechanical failures.
i jus sayin'
i jus sayin'
