GT4 WRS Week 45 Results (part 1)

[Smallhorses]

Just been doing a little NTSC replay verifying, SHigSpeed's lap is clean in the Black Mazda 787B.
Got problems with the other submissions though. CoolGeekz replay doesn't appear to download well, although I'm not sure if it's NTSC though.
I sort of assumed since his location is Atlanta that he's NTSC, but there could be one I'm unaware of elsewhere!!! Not to worry, I'll try it again, I do recall another replay for a different driver taking more than one attempt to download cleanly and giving the same errors I'm seeing.
As for Oldphart, not sure if the username is a very appropriate self-depreciative comment, but that's a nice Week 46 lap you've submitted!
I know the self-issued MAX drive filenames can be a tad confusing and I usually rely on looking at the filesize to figure out which is which, got to admit I was a touch surprised after seeing my 46kb size for the Jensen lap when Oldphart's lap was only 20kb, but figured it was because he's in a much quicker car, and therefore it took less time!
I'll be happy to check out your lap again if you can find the right one though! I learnt the hard way during GT3 about transferring multiple files at once, so as much of a PITA as it is, I now only transfer them one at at time once I'm sure which is which, and then once it's transferred to the PC I change the name to avoid confusion. 👍

 

[oldphart]

👍 thanks for the heads up on my attempt at doing the whole transfer thing. You were right the file size was wrong. Another thing to add to the notes I make during the week. What file size, what color of image. To make this easier.

Please do review this, as I think I kept my 2 right wheels on the rumble strip exiting Mulsanee. As many times as I watched it before submitting. But I have no problem if it's called foul and giving up my place and time. I'm still learning where the edge is, and Cyril explained it very well with his pictures 👍 thanks for that by the way

As for the Oldphart thing ... shrug... sometimes reality sucks LOL
I'm 50 and I have a sense of humor about life

Thanks for the comment on my time I didn't think I stood a chance seeing where my splits were and what was being posted I did notice the 3 second seperation of the field and thought that interesting.

thanks again

J.R.

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

Got problems with the other submissions though. CoolGeekz replay doesn't appear to download well, although I'm not sure if it's NTSC though.
I sort of assumed since his location is Atlanta that he's NTSC, but there could be one I'm unaware of elsewhere!!! Not to worry, I'll try it again, I do recall another replay for a different driver taking more than one attempt to download cleanly and giving the same errors I'm seeing.

Yeah, I'm NTSC

This should work:
I deleted everything off my MaxDrive and re-saved the replay to it, should work now.

 

[SHigSpeed]

Just been doing a little NTSC replay verifying, SHigSpeed's lap is clean in the Black Mazda 787B.
Got problems with the other submissions though. CoolGeekz replay doesn't appear to download well, although I'm not sure if it's NTSC though.
I sort of assumed since his location is Atlanta that he's NTSC, but there could be one I'm unaware of elsewhere!!! Not to worry, I'll try it again, I do recall another replay for a different driver taking more than one attempt to download cleanly and giving the same errors I'm seeing.
As for Oldphart, not sure if the username is a very appropriate self-depreciative comment, but that's a nice Week 46 lap you've submitted!
I know the self-issued MAX drive filenames can be a tad confusing and I usually rely on looking at the filesize to figure out which is which, got to admit I was a touch surprised after seeing my 46kb size for the Jensen lap when Oldphart's lap was only 20kb, but figured it was because he's in a much quicker car, and therefore it took less time!
I'll be happy to check out your lap again if you can find the right one though! I learnt the hard way during GT3 about transferring multiple files at once, so as much of a PITA as it is, I now only transfer them one at at time once I'm sure which is which, and then once it's transferred to the PC I change the name to avoid confusion. 👍

Yo Smalls,

Thanks for taking the time to verify laps. I feel better about my second place now that someone's taken the time to validate my hours behind the wheel last couple of weeks! :^)

-SHig

 

[Smallhorses]

Oldphart Sad news I'm afraid, the lap is, as you suspected, dirty but only just, in the area you mentioned.
I didn't think I'd be able to post evidence, but as it turns out, you can save pictures to an enormous 80GB desktop external USB drive, not just small-pen drives, thought I'd give it a shot and see what happened.



This is what I get for the exit of the Mulsanne hairpin, your front tyre just about clings to the rumble strip, but the back loses contact for a millisecond or 2. Tough call. I'd like another NTSC viewer to check this before it's official though.

CoolGeekz still working on yours, tried the new link you gave and it still doesn't work, going to give it one last shot, moving that file on it's own onto the MAX drive and uncrushing it to Mem card. From what I can tell though compared to the small picture of the start of Sarthe1 that appears with all the other replays I've seen, yours looks different. Can you check you're transferring the right file?

*edit* CoolGeekz that replay file definitely doesn't work. I've tried it once with the original and twice with the second link you supplied, each time it seems to uncrush to Mem card OK, but in Replay theater the file appears blank with no name or preview, and gives a load error when trying to view, and also cannot be deleted, giving a delete error. I have seen this before with one of MinorShunt's replays, but his worked after I downloaded it a second time.
Can someone else please try to verify this lap too?

SHigSpeed - no worries, perhaps you'd return the favour and verify my lap too, not that it's a prizewinner or anything, but I'd just like confirmation that 2 tyres stayed on the grey tarmac exiting the first chicane in Hunaudieres.

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

Oldphart CoolGeekz still working on yours, tried the new link you gave and it still doesn't work, going to give it one last shot, moving that file on it's own onto the MAX drive and uncrushing it to Mem card. From what I can tell though compared to the small picture of the start of Sarthe1 that appears with all the other replays I've seen, yours looks different. Can you check you're transferring the right file?

*edit* CoolGeekz that replay file definitely doesn't work. I've tried it once with the original and twice with the second link you supplied, each time it seems to uncrush to Mem card OK, but in Replay theater the file appears blank with no name or preview, and gives a load error when trying to view, and also cannot be deleted, giving a delete error. I have seen this before with one of MinorShunt's replays, but his worked after I downloaded it a second time.
Can someone else please try to verify this lap too?

I will keep trying, all I can think of is just copying it to the memory card, not uncrushing it.
I will mess around with it more tonight, eventually it will work

 

[SHigSpeed]

SHigSpeed - no worries, perhaps you'd return the favour and verify my lap too, not that it's a prizewinner or anything, but I'd just like confirmation that 2 tyres stayed on the grey tarmac exiting the first chicane in Hunaudieres.

Yup, looked good to me. Didn't specifically look there, but I don't recall seeing any close calls so you're probably fine.

The lap that I expected to be Oldphart's was a lap and a half at CRS5R in the RX, but based on the pic I'd say it's not clean. :^(

Later!

-SHig

 

[oldphart]

thanks Shig 👍

I watched that replay, must've been a dozen times before submitting. I've got a 36" Sony and still couldn't see that. Neat little microscope ability there 👍

I'll pm my DQ LOL oh well

J.R.

 

[Smallhorses]

I will keep trying, all I can think of is just copying it to the memory card, not uncrushing it.
I will mess around with it more tonight, eventually it will work

If you copy an uncrushed file to the mem card the PS2 has no way of knowing how to interpret it. It's one of the unexplained annoyances with the MAX Drive, since when you transfer a file to the MAX Drive, it is automatically crushed, but nowhere in the manual does it actually explain the uncrushing process, it's something I figured out by trial & error.
I do still think there's something wrong with your replay file though, since as I said before, the small preview picture for your replay is different to what I get for SHigSpeed's 2 replay files, Oldphart's replay file and my own replay file, which are all the same.
I've seen the same behaviour for a file when I inadvertently downloaded a PAL file from another driver, it seems to uncrush fine, but appears blank in the replay theater and can't be deleted. Have you mixed up a file from somewhere else with your replay save? That might be worth checking out. 👍

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

I tried it and it worked perfectly for me. If it helps, I re-saved it onto my Max Drive again and attached it.
As for the pic problem, I can't explain it either. I have a lap with the same car and track (but 1.5 seconds slower) that has a different picture also.

If it still doesn't work, well, I'm out of ideas. It works for me, so (since you are NTSC) it should work for you. The only thing I can think of is get someone else to validate it (or I buy a PAL system and GT4 disc, )
Sorry

 

[Smallhorses]

CoolGeekz, I'm trying to help you out here. Please understand I'm not picking at you.
If no-one can verify your replay it presents problems.
There is no-one here whose responsibility it is to verify everyone else's replays, we all help each other out, and it's understood that you aren't allowed to verify your own replay.
It takes time for someone to download your file, put in the MAX disk, load the stuff, transfer the file, load up GT4 and then watch the replay.
I've been known to act as a replay verifier even in weeks where I didn't actually race, simply because no-one else stepped forward.
I've done the other NTSC drivers that submitted replays this week and theirs worked fine, someone else has kindly verified my replay indicating my transfers also work for them. I also took a look at Oldphart's originally submitted replay which turned out to be the wrong race, and that worked too!
I've just tried again, wiped all the other replay files from the MAX Drive and downloaded your latest attachment into a brand new folder on the PC. Transferred it directly to the MAX Drive and uncrushed it to the same Mem card I've used for everyone elses, and it still does the same thing.
What's more annoying, since it appears blank & won't delete or load, is that I then have to go back to MAX software disk to be able to delete the file from my mem card, which takes more time. I'm sorry, but I've tried 4 times now and I can't make it work.

Perhaps SHigSpeed or Kent could take a look at this? I'll PM them to get them to take a look.

I still think it's peculiar that there's a different picture for this file than all the other replays I've seen for Sarthe1. Yours shows some track, and what appears to be a grandstand on the right. Everyone elses, mine included show the car entering a left hand bend with rumble-strips, and a pit entry on
the right. (I think it's the last but 1 chicane on Sarthe)
I don't have a digital camera to take pictures to show you the difference.

As far as I can tell, I have 3 replay files saved for week 46 at the moment, and each one generates the same image.

Can you try this, I'm willing to help out in any way, so we'll be able to find out if it's just this one file that is at fault? Do a lap, anywhere, any car, doesn't matter if it's clean or not, and save the ghost image, post it here and I'll see if I can watch the replay. That'll tell us if your files are normally OK and if the problem is at my end or your end. Or try posting the replay you have that's 1.5s slower, and with a different picture and I'll see if that works.

 

[TheWizard]

Well, I tried to check CoolGeekz's replay, too. No luck here, either

Here are my two replays, late, like usual

If someone feels like checking them, thanks in advance 👍

The Wizard.

 

[oldphart]

ditto here
sorry...shrug

 

[Smallhorses]

Ok, something weird is happening.
Sorry for all the confusion.

I've just tried TheWizard's replays. They have more or less the same picture as CoolGeekz, but they show the car in chase view, whereas CoolGeekz is the bumper cam view.
Anyway, couldn't get both of TheWizard's replays to uncrush at the same time, the Lancia will uncrush, but the Audi one comes up with a message saying GT4Ghostr...(it cuts off here so I don't know which file it matches) file already exists. So I tried to view the Lancia one, and it does what CoolGeekz file was doing, blank entry, can't load or delete.
Cleared files from Mem card, MAX drive & PC and downloaded both of TheWizard's replays again, along with CoolGeekz latest.
Tried to uncrush Lancia replay again, and it uncrushes, the Audi gives same error message about the file already existing. Not sure if it's because the full file path should be GT4 Ghost Replay [19] and that's what my Jensen lap is saved as on my Mem card, whether it just doesn't like the possibility of 2 different files at the same track with the same name, even if it's a different car, I'm not sure. So, I also for ****s and giggles and 'cos I'm already resigned to spending this evening checking things instead of racing
uncrushed CoolGeekz replay again.
Back into GT4, CoolGeekz replay now appears OK at the top of the list, followed by a blank item where TheWizard's Lancia replay should be.

Sooooo, I've now been able to give CoolGeekz the big 👍 for a clean lap..... but I'm now further as to why I can't see TheWizard's replays.

Please can someone else try his too?

*edit* OK things are becoming clearer. Not much, but a little.... No idea why the Lancia file wouldn't work originally, but when I tried downloading it again it worked OK, this lap is clean. 👍
Out of curiosity, I deleted my Jensen lap "GRAN TURISMO Ghost Replay [19]" from the mem card. I was then able to uncrush TheWizard's Audi lap and view the replay, which also appears as "GRAN TURISMO Ghost Replay [19]" so it seems the hangup is having 2 different laps of the same track with the same MAX Drive name, since the files within GT4 were called different things (WRS WK45 for my replay and GT4 WRS 045 for TheWizard's replay.) I have confirmed this now, by keeping TheWizard's Audi lap on my mem card and trying to uncrush my Jensen lap back on there too, I now get the same "file already exists" message for my own lap!
So there it is, clear as mud huh?

Sadly the jury is out on TheWizard's Audi lap though, I haven't taken pictures, but I can if you need me too though. On the final chicane, there is a green strip behind the rumble strip. Is this a legal area or not?
If it is you're OK, if not, there's a point where all 4 wheels are behind the strip, and the 2 right side wheels are contacting the green strip only, during the left turn, and hence it's dirty.

 

[TheWizard]

Sadly the jury is out on TheWizard's Audi lap though, I haven't taken pictures, but I can if you need me too though. On the final chicane, there is a green strip behind the rumble strip. Is this a legal area or not?
If it is you're OK, if not, there's a point where all 4 wheels are behind the strip, and the 2 right side wheels are contacting the green strip only, during the left turn, and hence it's dirty.

Thank you for going through all that trouble, Smallhorses 👍

And, as far as I know, that part is okay. I asked Cyril about it, in the main thread of the race, if the lap would have still been considered legal, and he said it was okay. That's why I still submitted it - because I had his approval.

I would have never submitted a lap without being sure of its legality, first. Nothing personal against you, mind you. I just want to make a point that I don't submit illegal laps and then hope that people won't catch it.

Just for clarification, here is the post where I asked the question and here is Cyril's answer.

Thank you again for spending all that time trying to check my replays. And CoolGeekz's, too.

The Wizard.

 

[Smallhorses]

No offence taken 👍

There's a lot of (non-) grey areas about this track as far as I can tell, if you know what I mean!
I just wanted to be sure as I didn't read the whole WK45 thread, although I did see Cyril's pictures and there wasn't anything about the last bend.

Since in the post you linked to he says:-

You mean that you manage to have 2 wheels off track, one on the rumble strip and the fourth one on the green strip ?
Yeah I think if it happens it'll be legal.

Then it implies if you can have one wheel on the green stuff and still be legal, then the green stuff is part of the rumbly, and even if there's no contact between the yellow/blue part of the rumbly, but 2 wheels are on the green then it's still OK.

 

[SHigSpeed]

I'm glad that Geekz' lap was FINALLY approved! I know too well the issues of Max Drive. The naming convention kills me, and by downloading replays to my card, I sometimes end up with issues where I can't save new replays from my game (naming stuff). Corrupt data, blank replays, GRR!

Oh well, seems like it's all good now!

-SHig

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

to Smallhorses for taking all of his time to validate The Wizard's and my replay. Thanks a ton! Hopefully this won't happen in the future

I was worried about the lap; during the chicane to the dunlop overpass, I got quite close to losing it...about half an inch (1.25 cm) from going off the curb


Too close of a call for me

 

[Tedehur]

PAL replays are checked and OK, as long as the LMP cars are concerned.

 

[KLR142]

So when do we get to see the rest of the results? I want to post my Volvo replay over in that thread...

 

[Tedehur]

So when do we get to see the rest of the results? I want to post my Volvo replay over in that thread...

You have in post #1 a link to all 10 categories, or you have in the WRS forum the thread called ...part 2 that contains all of them and where you can post your replay.

 

[Smallhorses]

My green flag from (part 1) doesn't seem to have transferred to (part 2).
Can you do a "Bob The Builder" job on that and fix it? .

 

[Tedehur]

My green flag from (part 1) doesn't seem to have transferred to (part 2).
Can you do a "Bob The Builder" job on that and fix it? .

Only the PAL replays (that I checked yesterday) are green flagged on part 2 thread. I'll fix this right now.

Edit :
Done.