GT4 WRS Week 85: Official Results
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Well I didn't do as well as I hoped, but that's ok. Good job to every one who
got a clean lap because it was not easy. I will check CRXnut's replay and get mine up too.
got a clean lap because it was not easy. I will check CRXnut's replay and get mine up too.
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Well I've tried to update the first post with car choices, its not complete and looks a bit messy and is very likely to have mistakes so feel free to correct me where I'm wrong 👍
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- AngelCreator
- AngelCreator
Ok I checked CRXnut's replay and it's close but clean:tup:.
And here is my replay, still new at using filefront so if it doesn't work just tell me.
http://files.filefront.com/WRS_week85_AngelCreatormax/;6348958;;/fileinfo.html
And here is my replay, still new at using filefront so if it doesn't work just tell me.
http://files.filefront.com/WRS_week85_AngelCreatormax/;6348958;;/fileinfo.html
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That is interesting James, using it to creat a replay catalog? I'll check it now...
EDIT: Checked James and CRXnut, both clean.👍 Just for fun I loaded both replays up on the anylizer, looks like CRX brakes a little latter going into the first hairpin and has a very slight advantage through the last chicane, other than that the laps are almost identical(strictly looking at the speed line)
EDIT: Checked James and CRXnut, both clean.👍 Just for fun I loaded both replays up on the anylizer, looks like CRX brakes a little latter going into the first hairpin and has a very slight advantage through the last chicane, other than that the laps are almost identical(strictly looking at the speed line)
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just to let ya know Weary, my lap was done in an Evo VIII RS... just a minor detail...
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Thanks for checking the replay.
One of the reasons I chose the EVO RS over the WRX was the brakes.
I'm not very good with setup so I ran close to stock.
Springs 7.0/5.5
Height 124/124
Shocks 3-6/3-6
Camber 2/1
Toe 0/+1
Stabilisers 3/4
I think I lost a lot of time because of stock LSD and VCD.
Can't wait for Kyle's setup
P.S. Colby - Kyle ran the Spec-C
One of the reasons I chose the EVO RS over the WRX was the brakes.
I'm not very good with setup so I ran close to stock.
Springs 7.0/5.5
Height 124/124
Shocks 3-6/3-6
Camber 2/1
Toe 0/+1
Stabilisers 3/4
I think I lost a lot of time because of stock LSD and VCD.
Can't wait for Kyle's setup
P.S. Colby - Kyle ran the Spec-C
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Yeah, as mentioned I was actually in the Subeeroo. I think it MAY have had a slight edge over the MR, but maybe not. I never drove it so I can't comment very well.
Good on you for sticking with the car you liked though! 👍Thanks man! I had one other lap that was 34.870, but dirty, and then the other few laps with T2s in the 1'14.2-1'14.5 range with poor/dirty endings. You've definitely been an inspiration ever since meeting you in the board challenge. Managing to overcome your time is overwhelming, but for some reason it was in my sights. Making that final switch to using 2nd through 5th and bumping up the rear accel LSD made it MUCH easier to be consistent and put power down instead of spinning tires and sliding(when I didn't want to slide anyway,
).Tellllllllll me about it! Haha, I swear, easily 3/4ths or MORE of my time was spent trying to get from where it starts you out just after T2 to T1 with speeds that I wanted to. Sooo many restarts before even getting to T1, and the S/F line even!
Right on. I also added the LSD, but didn't like messing with the camber too much more. I think I ended up leaving it around 2.0 and 1.0, I'll be checking my settings here in a second... Glad to hear they gave you a good baseline though! (so, you want me to PM you my address for the cookies?)
I don't know what grin you're talking about...
I can't say how much time I'll be able to put into this coming week though, I have a few things to take care of this week, as well as try and make up for missing the JGTC qualification last week. Between not knowing Fuji to begin with, and then the 10 second penalty for no qualification, I don't think I'll be putting in a decent effort into this week's race. There's always sunday night and monday night though, we'll see if I get some good racing in there! Definitely a possiblility!*Appreciative ticks added where appliable...
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Alrighty! So, settings?
Springs: 5/2.7
Seattle is a bumpy track, it likes soft suspension. Being able to absorb the bumps without unsettling the car makes for speed. I think it was a BMW race car in the reverse direction when someone discovered having everything on minimum turned out to be one of the fastest setups by a good margin. Since then, I've tried to start at the bottom for these bumpier tracks. And, because GT4 doesn't make sense, you stiffen whichever end you want to have more grip. This combination(full soft on the rear, front turned up a few) was settled upon early in the week, just seemed to feel right.
Ride height: 120/130
Relatively lots of travel to allow for bump absorbtion. I tried lower settings and they didn't seem to make too much difference, but I didn't waste too much time looking there as I knew this would in theory work better.
Bound: 1/2
When I think of bound, some of my thoughts go into weight transfer, but in this case, the main thing was being able to go over curbs and such without disturbing the peace. The rear was up to 2 to try and reduce weight transfer off of the front tires when getting on the throttle.
Rebound: 7/4
I like to use rebound for playing with weight transfer for the most part as well. Thus the stiffer front to also try to reduce transfer off of the front tires while getting on the throttle. The lower this number though the easier it is for the springs to push the wheel back down after being popped up over a curb, thus being in contact with the ground more often.
Camber: 2.2/1.0
Camber this week was a bit more random... I originally started out at 0/0, and then worked my way up from there. I was at 2.0 and .8 for a good bit of the racing, but wanted more grip while in the turns and ended up bumping it up a little more. The thoughts of higher camber being detrimental to braking distances is something to think about, but I don't think it comes into play enough at levels as low as 2.2 and 1, or at least the benefits made up for everything.
Toe: 0/0
I never played around with toe settings this week, but I do believe there could've been some benefit. This would be one of the last things I'd tinker with though, and I never had the time to get around to it.
Swaybars: 1/1
As I've mentioned, Seattle is a bumpy track, and has lots of curbs. If you have stiffer swaybars and go over a curb with one side of the car, the other wheels that did NOT go over the curb will still be affected. Any disturbances to the wheels will create a loss of grip, and I wanted to maintain all I could. Softer swaybars don't allow as much disruption to the other pair of tires, thus allowing more traction.
BB: 6/5
Thanks Hugo on the tip to make the front a tad stronger. Back in the my GT2 days I liked to bump up the rear strength to get cars to rotate a little better. Here though, doing that made the braking distances noticeably longer. Something even higher like Hugo's 8/7 may have worked even better, but I worked my way up from 4/3 to the 6/5 and that worked well enough.
LSD was originally set at 5/5/5 5/5/5 when I was using 3rd through 6th. If I could get it JUST right, I could get the inside wheel(s) to spin just enough to give me a sort of slingshot effect out of the three low speed turns. That method was a BIT inconsistent though, as you can imagine. Most of the time either bogging or spinning the wheels too much. In yesterday's session I decided I had had enough of that. My issue with using the 2nd through 5th strategy was that I'd get wheelspin too easily... That's where the completely random thought, 💡 lol, to actually USE the LSD came in. I ended up with 5/6/5 5/22/6. I use the rear decel to control amount of lift throttle/trail braking oversteer, and the rear accel to control the amount of inside wheel spin for the slower corners(started at 8, worked down to 6). 22 seemed to be just right, 24 wasn't enough spin, and 20 was too much. The front accel rate of 6 was just to help any random front wheelspin that may want to occur and throw me off course.
VCD: 10
This was ALWAYS on 10. Being an AWD car that's understeery by nature, you want as LITTLE power going through the front wheels as possible. Anything you put through the front wheels on top of the turning already going on will just reduce the front end's turning grip. I want to turn while being on the power, and this is as close as I could get to it. Getting the inside tire(s) to spin a little bit also helped rotate the car.
Gearing was a custom mix, originally starting with my version of tranny tuning that I've been using since GT2. I can go into that further upon request. As mentioned, I was using 2nd through 5th ONLY.
Here's another couple of bits of possibly interesting information... I shifted at 7500rpm for the most part, as opposed to nearer the 8000rpm redline. That didn't really seem to make much of a difference(I think?) but it just felt right, so maybe it did make one. I didn't look into it enough to know for sure, it just felt right. And the other thing, I went for more torque than horsepower. I think there was another combo that allowed higher replay HP, but had one or two(maybe three?) less torque. My setup consisted of the chip and sports intercooler.
I think that about sums it up?
Springs: 5/2.7
Seattle is a bumpy track, it likes soft suspension. Being able to absorb the bumps without unsettling the car makes for speed. I think it was a BMW race car in the reverse direction when someone discovered having everything on minimum turned out to be one of the fastest setups by a good margin. Since then, I've tried to start at the bottom for these bumpier tracks. And, because GT4 doesn't make sense, you stiffen whichever end you want to have more grip. This combination(full soft on the rear, front turned up a few) was settled upon early in the week, just seemed to feel right.
Ride height: 120/130
Relatively lots of travel to allow for bump absorbtion. I tried lower settings and they didn't seem to make too much difference, but I didn't waste too much time looking there as I knew this would in theory work better.
Bound: 1/2
When I think of bound, some of my thoughts go into weight transfer, but in this case, the main thing was being able to go over curbs and such without disturbing the peace. The rear was up to 2 to try and reduce weight transfer off of the front tires when getting on the throttle.
Rebound: 7/4
I like to use rebound for playing with weight transfer for the most part as well. Thus the stiffer front to also try to reduce transfer off of the front tires while getting on the throttle. The lower this number though the easier it is for the springs to push the wheel back down after being popped up over a curb, thus being in contact with the ground more often.
Camber: 2.2/1.0
Camber this week was a bit more random... I originally started out at 0/0, and then worked my way up from there. I was at 2.0 and .8 for a good bit of the racing, but wanted more grip while in the turns and ended up bumping it up a little more. The thoughts of higher camber being detrimental to braking distances is something to think about, but I don't think it comes into play enough at levels as low as 2.2 and 1, or at least the benefits made up for everything.
Toe: 0/0
I never played around with toe settings this week, but I do believe there could've been some benefit. This would be one of the last things I'd tinker with though, and I never had the time to get around to it.
Swaybars: 1/1
As I've mentioned, Seattle is a bumpy track, and has lots of curbs. If you have stiffer swaybars and go over a curb with one side of the car, the other wheels that did NOT go over the curb will still be affected. Any disturbances to the wheels will create a loss of grip, and I wanted to maintain all I could. Softer swaybars don't allow as much disruption to the other pair of tires, thus allowing more traction.
BB: 6/5
Thanks Hugo on the tip to make the front a tad stronger. Back in the my GT2 days I liked to bump up the rear strength to get cars to rotate a little better. Here though, doing that made the braking distances noticeably longer. Something even higher like Hugo's 8/7 may have worked even better, but I worked my way up from 4/3 to the 6/5 and that worked well enough.
LSD was originally set at 5/5/5 5/5/5 when I was using 3rd through 6th. If I could get it JUST right, I could get the inside wheel(s) to spin just enough to give me a sort of slingshot effect out of the three low speed turns. That method was a BIT inconsistent though, as you can imagine. Most of the time either bogging or spinning the wheels too much. In yesterday's session I decided I had had enough of that. My issue with using the 2nd through 5th strategy was that I'd get wheelspin too easily... That's where the completely random thought, 💡 lol, to actually USE the LSD came in. I ended up with 5/6/5 5/22/6. I use the rear decel to control amount of lift throttle/trail braking oversteer, and the rear accel to control the amount of inside wheel spin for the slower corners(started at 8, worked down to 6). 22 seemed to be just right, 24 wasn't enough spin, and 20 was too much. The front accel rate of 6 was just to help any random front wheelspin that may want to occur and throw me off course.
VCD: 10
This was ALWAYS on 10. Being an AWD car that's understeery by nature, you want as LITTLE power going through the front wheels as possible. Anything you put through the front wheels on top of the turning already going on will just reduce the front end's turning grip. I want to turn while being on the power, and this is as close as I could get to it. Getting the inside tire(s) to spin a little bit also helped rotate the car.
Gearing was a custom mix, originally starting with my version of tranny tuning that I've been using since GT2. I can go into that further upon request. As mentioned, I was using 2nd through 5th ONLY.
Here's another couple of bits of possibly interesting information... I shifted at 7500rpm for the most part, as opposed to nearer the 8000rpm redline. That didn't really seem to make much of a difference(I think?) but it just felt right, so maybe it did make one. I didn't look into it enough to know for sure, it just felt right. And the other thing, I went for more torque than horsepower. I think there was another combo that allowed higher replay HP, but had one or two(maybe three?) less torque. My setup consisted of the chip and sports intercooler.
I think that about sums it up?
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I'd give you some rep buddy but it's too soon. Thanks heaps for your settings, one day I might learn something about GT Mode with help like that. You the man 👍
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Kyle, I should post mine up so you can see what you think
If I recall at the moment, they were like
Springs
6.0 / 2.8
Bound
1 / 2
Rebound
7 / 5
Camber
3.2 / 0.8
Toe
0 / 0
Swaybars
7 / 1
BB
8 / 3
LSD
5 / 10
5 / 23
5 / 5
VCD
25
My goal was to get the car to just rotate massively whenever I tapped the brakes, but slightly different than just with me turning in. How I brake with AWD to get it to rotate is somewhat odd... I start my braking, and then gently turn into the corner. Once the car starts to rotate, I start to counter steer. The result is massive rotation of the car as long as I am on the brakes. From their I just get the car point about how I want to exit and floor it.
Needless to say I rarely brake in straight line. I'm almost always turning a little while braking.
If I recall at the moment, they were like
Springs
6.0 / 2.8
Bound
1 / 2
Rebound
7 / 5
Camber
3.2 / 0.8
Toe
0 / 0
Swaybars
7 / 1
BB
8 / 3
LSD
5 / 10
5 / 23
5 / 5
VCD
25
My goal was to get the car to just rotate massively whenever I tapped the brakes, but slightly different than just with me turning in. How I brake with AWD to get it to rotate is somewhat odd... I start my braking, and then gently turn into the corner. Once the car starts to rotate, I start to counter steer. The result is massive rotation of the car as long as I am on the brakes. From their I just get the car point about how I want to exit and floor it.
Needless to say I rarely brake in straight line. I'm almost always turning a little while braking.
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And here is my replay... though now after watching it a few more times I am wondering if it is clean... Couldn't find any odd marks in my data analyzer thingy though...
EDIT : I got bored and ran the Spec C some... 5 laps showed a 1:36.555, dirty and with lots of play in it. I could probably have gotten into the 1'35 range if I had spent my time on the Spec C I realize now.
Oh well, thats what I get for being different
EDIT : I got bored and ran the Spec C some... 5 laps showed a 1:36.555, dirty and with lots of play in it. I could probably have gotten into the 1'35 range if I had spent my time on the Spec C I realize now.
Oh well, thats what I get for being different
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- AngelCreator
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I will check Azuremen's replay tonite, and I think I will try Kyle's setup for the Subaru as well.
Edit:
I checked Azuremen's replay, and it's very close(and I mean VERY) at the right before T2
but I couldn't see the car hit the wall. So it's clean:tup:.
.Edit:
I checked Azuremen's replay, and it's very close(and I mean VERY) at the right before T2
but I couldn't see the car hit the wall. So it's clean:tup:.
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I think it was cool how you drifted though the first corner
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And the car looked like it handle well.
.And the car looked like it handle well.
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Do you by chance have a method that would let you get the replay on YouTube? Kyle doesn't have his replay device anymore, but he wants to watch it. Just trying to find someone with a capture card, as I do not have one.
And thanks for the compliments, even though I've been fishing for them because I'm crazy stressed with this here finals week
And thanks for the compliments, even though I've been fishing for them because I'm crazy stressed with this here finals week
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Wow. Thanks for doing that Sphinx!
Jerome, wanna post that other lap of mine? That T1 and T2 are definitely worth looking at...
And by wow, I mean, damn. The Subaru was definitely faster this week, because if you look at my driving, it's not smooth or using the whole track, in some bits anyway. Imagine Hugo using the whole track and being smooth. Ok, don't imagine that, I don't want to know how far back I'd have been. Maybe.
The thing that did it in that lap was the little bit of wheelspin in the 90 degree right before the last chicane, and the other bit of wheelspin in the last chicane(along with carrying some decent speed through there). The tires clawing their way along the ground, just a little faster than I was actually moving helping me slingshot out of the corners. I wonder how I'd have done if I had gotten on the brakes a tad sooner for the slow left before the back straight, and then also a little later at the end of that straight...
Metar, awesome race man, I see you also short shifting your way through the gears, 👍.
Awesome lap as usual Hugo. Getting on the brakes at just the right time and carrying the speed on through to the perfect spot where you can get back on the gas to move on out of your way...
Jerome, wanna post that other lap of mine? That T1 and T2 are definitely worth looking at...
And by wow, I mean, damn. The Subaru was definitely faster this week, because if you look at my driving, it's not smooth or using the whole track, in some bits anyway. Imagine Hugo using the whole track and being smooth. Ok, don't imagine that, I don't want to know how far back I'd have been. Maybe.
The thing that did it in that lap was the little bit of wheelspin in the 90 degree right before the last chicane, and the other bit of wheelspin in the last chicane(along with carrying some decent speed through there). The tires clawing their way along the ground, just a little faster than I was actually moving helping me slingshot out of the corners. I wonder how I'd have done if I had gotten on the brakes a tad sooner for the slow left before the back straight, and then also a little later at the end of that straight...
Metar, awesome race man, I see you also short shifting your way through the gears, 👍.
Awesome lap as usual Hugo. Getting on the brakes at just the right time and carrying the speed on through to the perfect spot where you can get back on the gas to move on out of your way...
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Hey Thx Sphinx! I forgot I had my christmas party last night that went until late and we had one of those white elephant exchanges where you can steal any item that has been opened, and if its stolen twice its off limits, and if you are the last person picked you can get ANY gift and I had the portable DVD player and the last person took it and I got some gay scented lotion basket ****, I'm totally pissed, I won't be going next year that is for sure. *excuse my rant but I had to explain why I didn't make the replay*
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