GT5 2.0 Ferrari F1 physics

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I've been racing and practicing on the Ferrari F10 online with tyre wear and fuel load and DFGT since January and now that 2.0 physics came it became easier but lap time wise it's the same but a lot easier to get laps done , I don't feel oversteer or snap oversteer anymore , the only way you can loose the car is by power oversteer >.< now it feels more like the f2007. There's no need to be doing steering corrections anymore. I don't think it should feel this easier and you always have to remember racing cars are not easy to an arcade extent.

I guess in terms no ABS I think they got it well for the 2.0 but the f10 became too easy and I hate to say this but it's handles like the f2007 now which I always said that's easier than pd karts but it's true anyway , the f10 handled like it had no limits, very turbulent and twitchy and requires great precision in steering that's exactly how the 2009-2013 regulations should be and that's a real racing car feel. It's disappointing but the ABS works well now at least.

I'm really excited to drive the f1 car in spa Francorchamps with weather change , must be really special and hoping it is just as detailed and as well simulated as Suzuka and hopefully the online physics are as well made as suzuka.
 
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Does it still wipe-out on Nurb GP... through that S.. ? I found, with my DFP that the car would jsut fly off the road for no apparent reason... think it's been discussed a fair bit around here... anyhow..
 
I hate driving the F1 cars not because of the physics or looks of them but because of the stupid generic tyre screech sound, it's really off putting to hear that when cornering in an F1 car.
 
It's quite clear that this is a thread pertaining to the physics of the Ferrari F10 only and merits it's own independent thread, but I guess some people just like to post.

I agree with you, the F10 has just been turned into another F2007(. Meaning it's too easy to drive now). I remember that it used to take alot of small corrections thru the corners to get a quick time, and the back end was always so alive. Now it's just a point and shoot kind a car. Shame, but I guess they were aiming to make the pad players happy. But yeah man can't wait to take it for a spin around spa:)
 
Probably the difference between the f10 at the start of f1 season, and the f10 at near the end of the season. F1 cars get developed and usually gain 1-2 seconds as the season progresses.
 
It's quite clear that this is a thread pertaining to the physics of the Ferrari F10 only and merits it's own independent thread, but I guess some people just like to post.

I agree with you, the F10 has just been turned into another F2007(. Meaning it's too easy to drive now). I remember that it used to take alot of small corrections thru the corners to get a quick time, and the back end was always so alive. Now it's just a point and shoot kind a car. Shame, but I guess they were aiming to make the pad players happy. But yeah man can't wait to take it for a spin around spa:)

my friend* with pad is the fastest player i've seen online.... its really disappointing now
 
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Does it still wipe-out on Nurb GP... through that S.. ? I found, with my DFP that the car would jsut fly off the road for no apparent reason... think it's been discussed a fair bit around here... anyhow..
that S is very bumpy and there's an elevation and the tarmac is a low grip tarmac , so generally there's less grip and when I watched F1 in nurburgring 2011 onboard cams they do a lot of corrections flatout and does put the car so precise and that I think compares to the f10 before 2.0 well
 
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I've done extensive running with both cars. My conclusion was that the F10 was simply far too unstable to drive for F1 standards. Real life Formula 1 cars do require absolute precision, yes, but they do not snap oversteer like the F10 does, 130R, Schuamcher S, all were impossible to take at the usual flat out speed because of the F10's unbelievable twitchiness. I'm glad to hear that it's been fixed to handle more properly.

I agree though, that the Ferrari's are too easy to drive for F1 cars, they do have too much aerodynamic grip, a bit too much mechanical grip, as well as being too stable.
 
I've done extensive running with both cars. My conclusion was that the F10 was simply far too unstable to drive for F1 standards. Real life Formula 1 cars do require absolute precision, yes, but they do not snap oversteer like the F10 does, 130R, Schuamcher S, all were impossible to take at the usual flat out speed because of the F10's unbelievable twitchiness. I'm glad to hear that it's been fixed to handle more properly.

I agree though, that the Ferrari's are too easy to drive for F1 cars, they do have too much aerodynamic grip, a bit too much mechanical grip, as well as being too stable.
I didn't know what S corner was but I was thinking of the corner before that , I took the S corner flat out easily you just have to steer early and steer a little and that's exactly precision. If you know reventon10 the only person who makes something out of the F10 in online f1 races , does suzuka R130 and that S corner in nurburgring g/p flatout.

It takes absolute precision on those types of corners for the new aero regulations , 2007/8 cars were very different to 2009-11 ones... still the f2007 is way too easy by in f1 standards.

you can see at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO1gSqqNwks

at 2:35 Kobayashi missed the entery and could not choose to steer further because it would let go and instead goes a little wide to the artificial grass and the effect is the same as having a bad precision , even the f1 test driver explained it well at 2:35.

The F1 cars of today are not just steer through the corner , you actually have to be very precise and progressive with what your doing.


There are few turbulence feel but also it doesn't connect to the steering anymore... when you feel it letting go you don't need precision with 100% feeling and now simply you can do it with no feel and get it right almost all of the time.

The point of the 2009-2013 aerodynamic regulations are gone , I can only feel oversteer for power oversteer and not anymore for positioning and steering oversteer , the car felt like it had pure racing car feel.

I think for the ABS part they did well but for the F10 it had almost no limits before and you had to think just like grand prix drivers in corners just to get it quickly and barely made a very good lap, now you can get to its limit so easily , that to me is really disappointing.
 
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That incident with Kobayashi actually happened because he had his DRS open through 130R, and the Sauber is incapable of doing such a thing because of it's lack of downforce compared to Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes, the only teams who could.
 
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I guess in terms no ABS I think they got it well for the 2.0 but the f10 became too easy and I hate to say this but it's handles like the f2007 now which I always said that's easier than pd karts but it's true anyway , the f10 handled like it had no limits, very turbulent and twitchy and requires great precision in steering that's exactly how the 2009-2013 regulations should be and that's a real racing car feel.

That's one of the most difficult sentences I've ever tried to read on here, are you sure you're from England?
 
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at 2:35 Kobayashi missed the entery and could not choose to steer further because it would let go and instead goes a little wide to the artificial grass and the effect is the same as having a bad precision , even the f1 test driver explained it well at 2:35.
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That was a DRS related issue...
 
It's quite clear that this is a thread pertaining to the physics of the Ferrari F10 only and merits it's own independent thread, but I guess some people just like to post.

I agree with you, the F10 has just been turned into another F2007(. Meaning it's too easy to drive now). I remember that it used to take alot of small corrections thru the corners to get a quick time, and the back end was always so alive. Now it's just a point and shoot kind a car. Shame, but I guess they were aiming to make the pad players happy. But yeah man can't wait to take it for a spin around spa:)

I use a pad and I was happy with it as I had tuned the car to my liking (I prefer oversteery cars anyway). Haven't tried it since 2.00 yet but hopefully it'll be possible to make it slide round again.
 
hmm, interesting. I actually had found it too stable. I took off a bit of overall downforce and ran on the simplest tires, then added a bit of front downforce. And some suspension corrections. Car was very alive but it didnt have a mind of its own, i rather liked it.
 
I liked the handling of the 10. But I had problems with it vibrating and losing grip on straights? Does it still do this? Along the last straight at Nurb GP and before Spoon on Suzuku the front end would really vibrate like it was bottoming out. Is it still incredibly difficult to get through Turn 7 (90 right just after the hairpin) at the Monaco circuit?
 
F10 seems to want to spin less. F2007 on other hand feels a bit slippeir.
You mean the opposite , lol.

F2007 in GT5 is quite easily compared to arcade physics even wether it was pre or now 2.0.

F10 has become a lot easier when 2.0 came.
 
I liked the handling of the 10. But I had problems with it vibrating and losing grip on straights? Does it still do this? Along the last straight at Nurb GP and before Spoon on Suzuku the front end would really vibrate like it was bottoming out. Is it still incredibly difficult to get through Turn 7 (90 right just after the hairpin) at the Monaco circuit?
The 2009 change of regulations made downforce a lot less on the whole rear of the car.

People do not understand how F1 regulations work so they think all the time the newer cars have the most downforce in the world but it isn't

2010 cars have the least in the last decade but even less on the 2011 cars with the ban of double difusers

generally the current aero regulations produce less downforce than the current GP2 cars , said by Jean himself and lotushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VJ_bKYrfWg
certain area's of the T125 or in essence like GP2 car , it produces more downforce than the current F1 cars because there are regulations and the T125 doesn't have those regulations so in some area's they are better and overall does produce more but aero efficiency is what the F1 cars have so it is faster.

You can never really compare the 2007 regulations to the 2010 regulations , you can only compare the engine which is the same V8 but revving less actually makes it harder because there's more wheelspin but anyway the difference of revs are around 1000 so again in terms of engine , 2010 is much harder already.

the 2010 regulations are meant to have a slippery rear aero and therfor its more driver made than driver aided and more overtaking for all of the time.
 
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Me and a mate did a 11 lap race of daytona in the F10 last night, every lap excluding the last one either one or both of us span out, it seems if you either turn hard on a fast corner you spin or if you just go high on it your stuffed basically.

May be worth nothing he had a fully basic F10 on softs and I had a adjusted suspension and full aero dynamic capabilities.
 
at 2:35 Kobayashi missed the entery and could not choose to steer further because it would let go and instead goes a little wide to the artificial grass and the effect is the same as having a bad precision , even the f1 test driver explained it well at 2:35.

I dont think so its due to artificial grass becuase i have also artificial grass at my lawn and my besides my swimming pool it is quite good and grass looks like absolutely natural unless u touch it........

Artificial Grass
 
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I dont think so its due to artificial grass becuase i have also artificial grass at my lawn and my besides my swimming pool it is quite good and grass looks like absolutely natural unless u touch it........
It is artificial grass on the r130 outside kerb

oh and I just tested the F10 online with Spa Francorchamps and it was really amazing and actually the physics was great and wasn't so easy but it was a challenging , I liked it a lot.

I still don't believe the F2007 is that easy even with higher downforce , I think the data used might have been compromised with traction control because 2007 cars had traction control and so even without traction the grip is huge in acceleration or in low speed corners.

Spa is amazing and with weather change it would be fantastic to race in , the combination of corners is unbelievable , the challenge level is like suzuka except there are more overtaking.
 
I don't see what changed. Max downforce, spin like a top. Max rear downforce, 130 front downforce, glued to road. Including pre 2.0.
 
I dont know if the AI changed or the physics, but it got a lot easier!
I just won the seasonal race at Suzuka with ease, was leading after 1 1/2 laps whereas a few weeks ago I could not get better than 12th place. Impossible I improved my driving this much, is it?!

EDIT: Thats in the F 10 with full downforce and medium race tires, the softs are horrible, IMO.
 
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