Sorry guys but I have to agree with Dave A,
oh and in my view all forza has on GT5 is that there seems to be a more advanced physics engine (e.g. skid marks and tuning engine and body work) and the fact that it is out. But in my view I think that PD has delayed the release date to see what Forza 2 is like and then so they can blow it out of the water. I truly believe that GT5 will have everything that forza does, other wise it would be stupid not to.
That is going in my sig and I hope to hell that you are right but knowing PD's track record I am just a little bit apprehensive that; will they actually go all out with GT5?
I am with Diab on this one. If GT5 truly comes out with everything that Forza 2 has (which will never happen) then I will buy a PS3 and GT5 the same day.

You can even save my quote because I stick to my word. Also GT5 will not be out this year. No way.
To start with, GT5 would have to allow 4,100 vinyls per car and each one of those vinyls has to be completely customizable. This means they can be rotated, stretched out, any color and can be saved to be applied later onto any car. Thats just the start of everything they would have to have. This is the main feature that got me hooked on Forza even though Forza only allowed 600 vinyls per car. Now imagine 4,100 per car!!!
There is the ability to completely customize cars with body kits, many real life parts, swap engines, swap drive trains making FWD cars become RWD, change wheel/tire width, wheel/tire diameter, incredible physics, intelligent AI, pick any color I want for my car, window tint color, paint my wheels any color I want, paint my calipers, 47 tracks, 12 different environments, leaderboards that automatically update after each race, sell cars online with other players, buy cars online with other players, and...... wait for it.......wait for it......and GET PAID IN THE CAREER MODE TO PLAY WITH 7 FRIENDS ONLINE AT 60FPS IN THE ONLINE CAREER MODE.
When GT5 gets all of this is when I will buy a PS3 and GT5. (Well I might buy a PS3 some day if other fun games come out but you get my point)
