GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[newmedia_dev]

Was a real downer to see Red Bull Ring appear for Race C, such a crap circuit. It would be great if they could bring us the original Österreichring instead of this sterile modern garbage. Race A was good fun, I binged the first 5 of the day, with what must be a personal record with 5 out of 5 podiums.

I didn’t get a chance to race but managed to do some laps and I really do like the A combo but it feels like it would be suited as a TT as well

 

[Trk-el-son]

Don't do the race B puntfests with the ADHD crowd.

At times this is an ridiculously exact description.
Last weeks B (in a high B/S lobby) comes to mind: Me P1 in the super low speed T2 of Lago Maggiore being punted on first lap by P2. Next race the EXACT same thing happens.

 

[Capt_Bromhead]

Was a real downer to see Red Bull Ring appear for Race C, such a crap circuit. It would be great if they could bring us the original Österreichring instead of this sterile modern garbage. Race A was good fun, I binged the first 5 of the day, with what must be a personal record with 5 out of 5 podiums.

Completely agree, appreciate each to their own but I can never hit T1, 2 and 3 decently at RBR and find it incredibly tricky and so wholly unenjoyable, which is coupled with the fact all three of those turns are absolute prime for being punted off on!

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

Here's my best lap so far for the new Race A that's currently fastest in the USA.

All of the rumble strips can be used although it upsets the car some and also grass can be used in some areas plus the car seems to bounce less on grass so that is definitely the way to go but I still haven't figured out exact track limits yet so it might come down to whoever's best at cutting grass will get the fastest time.

 

[TheNormsk]

I am really really really starting to tire of the utterly appalling driving standards recently.

It’s like the worst sweaty version of Wipeout. I’m not sure if it’s just easy physics and poor decision making or just these peeps are utter f wits.

I had it today in a Manu cup race, 1st was behind me I’m litterally going to pit in 2 corners time (also had set the fastest lap of the race) and nope couldn’t wait 2 corners. And this was a slightly longer race.

Move over to the dailies, and now the current trend is to just lean on cars everywhere, don’t back out just lean on them.

It’s utterly horrible to race in, it’s rage inducing and also a really sad reflection on what a wider audience considers racing.

It winds me up when these are the same kids moaning it’s not real enough and it’s simcade etc but they can’t even control or drive the bloody arcade car :/

Breathe Glen, Breathe.

Hope everyone is having a nice Saturday? I’m also a bit pissed off my new BMX won’t be here till Thur/Fri and also my second week of giving up smoking after nearly 30 years. Short tempered ish at the mo.

Sounds like it was a good week to be too busy at work to have any time for sports. 😁

Not that I enjoy working, but for some reason I just didn’t care for this week (beyond daily A - that was fun) so I didn’t mind missing it.

 

[Tidgney]

I am really really really starting to tire of the utterly appalling driving standards recently.

It’s like the worst sweaty version of Wipeout. I’m not sure if it’s just easy physics and poor decision making or just these peeps are utter f wits.

I had it today in a Manu cup race, 1st was behind me I’m litterally going to pit in 2 corners time (also had set the fastest lap of the race) and nope couldn’t wait 2 corners. And this was a slightly longer race.

Move over to the dailies, and now the current trend is to just lean on cars everywhere, don’t back out just lean on them.

It’s utterly horrible to race in, it’s rage inducing and also a really sad reflection on what a wider audience considers racing.

It winds me up when these are the same kids moaning it’s not real enough and it’s simcade etc but they can’t even control or drive the bloody arcade car :/

Breathe Glen, Breathe.

Hope everyone is having a nice Saturday? I’m also a bit pissed off my new BMX won’t be here till Thur/Fri and also my second week of giving up smoking after nearly 30 years. Short tempered ish at the mo.

No idea whether this will help or not. But I'm prepping something to send to PD that I really, really do hope they consider in detail. In short it's using apart of the "Plebs of the Week" series but desiging a system for them. They can probably build something better but with literal examples of all sorts I hope they do take it seriously as for me some action needs to happen.

For those wanting the Weekly Race Guide, that is now live:

 

[NevilleNobody]

Not a fan of Brands, just so hard to race there in powerful cars, it really should be used for less powerful and more nimble cars even if a one make.

I'm pretty good at RBR but man we do this race a lot. May spend the night trying to find that tenth I need for gold at Suzuka.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

No idea whether this will help or not. But I'm prepping something to send to PD that I really, really do hope they consider in detail. In short it's using apart of the "Plebs of the Week" series but desiging a system for them. They can probably build something better but with literal examples of all sorts I hope they do take it seriously as for me some action needs to happen.

For those wanting the Weekly Race Guide, that is now live:

Fingers crossed they'll pay attention 🤞

Last week had some absolutely brilliant racing with the right people, but also utter filth from a few very regular offenders. Weed them out and the experience would be improved massively.

P.S can you have a word about the track limits on RBR!! 🤣

 

[Famine]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Gran Turismo 7 Daily Races: Deja Evo​

A new set of Gran Turismo 7 Daily Races is now available, and you’ll be forgiven for thinking you’re seeing double in the Sport Mode events this week...

 

[brockie]

Had a decent race at brands at lunch, managed about 12 mins of quali and managed to get down to a 31.7 in the lambo, started 10th and gained 6 spots, some nice clean close racing out there but it looks like I’ll need a 30 flat to be competitive so perhaps the G70 comes out tomorrow, need to try the 4c & megane too as they were in the vicinity

Race A looks a lot of fun, must make some time for that this week

 

[Childe Roland]

Was a real downer to see Red Bull Ring appear for Race C, such a crap circuit. It would be great if they could bring us the original Österreichring instead of this sterile modern garbage. Race A was good fun, I binged the first 5 of the day, with what must be a personal record with 5 out of 5 podiums.

I wont even try a single C race this week.
RBR is and always will be a push to pass festival no matter the group of cars.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I wont even try a single C race this week.
RBR is and always will be a push to pass festival no matter the group of cars.

I’m starting to think that the new physics has brought everyone so much close for their DRs that the desperate are just driving so badly because it’s so forgiving to late brake etc

Haven’t tried RBR but with my time I don’t think I’d have a lot of fun.

Did one Brands, started pole and pushed off at paddock with the dude claiming there was no contact….

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I’m starting to think that the new physics has brought everyone so much close for their DRs that the desperate are just driving so badly because it’s so forgiving to late brake etc

Haven’t tried RBR but with my time I don’t think I’d have a lot of fun.

Did one Brands, started pole and pushed off at paddock with the dude claiming there was no contact….

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That certainly looks like contact to me 🧐

I think some of the reason I've struggled with Gr3 recently is because I've been driving like I used to with old physics - expecting a weird crash for touch a kerb, or to suddenly lose traction (especially on the RH tyres)

At LM last week I discovered I could attack kerbs a bit more, and also have much more controllable slides (though I still managed to crash several times)

 

[newmedia_dev]

I’m done, I can’t race these people.

I’m not sure if they are stupid or just ignorant and ambivalent.

Ok, fine push and bang passed up the inside at druids, I’m literally 1s faster QT than second place who did that, thought they could out brake me, fine slot back in come up to the next corner, I’m on the inside keeping it tight as I know I want the run on the exit AND WHAM, just turns in at and I mean no offence to anyone but how you would with a controller, mash the brake stick full left knuckles white and then surprised I’m there.

I think it was just clumsy him and P3 definitely need to map the left stick presses to another button

But ill be honest it really sucks the fun out of the game when the majority of races are full of clumsy, poor driving, malicious poor driving or even worse malicious clumsy driving.

I’m really struggling to get motivated to race. What’s the point of sticking top 200 times in when p8 can see the gap 7 cars back and out brake you.

Sigh.

 

[Childe Roland]

I’m starting to think that the new physics has brought everyone so much close for their DRs that the desperate are just driving so badly because it’s so forgiving to late brake etc

Haven’t tried RBR but with my time I don’t think I’d have a lot of fun.

Did one Brands, started pole and pushed off at paddock with the dude claiming there was no contact….

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People learnt that side contacts are almost never penalized and now the driving standards are really bad at all levels.

I can "understand" a single door banging when you didnt see that a car is outside, but once they noticed it and they still door banging you almost off the track just to get their ideal line for the apex as if you have no right of existence, is one of the things that annoys me the most but not the most

The worst driver I can encounter is the over optimistic who sends it from cars away blocking your chance to turn while you have to wait outside for his clumsiness as you see them miss the apex and almost parking their car in the middle of the turn
These people are almost not faster than me, a few turns later Im ahead again but with this weird slip that we are having lately, they can arrive close to the same turn and repeat that torture.
This happened a lot last week at Bathurst for example.

 

[sturk0167]

I’m done, I can’t race these people.

I’m not sure if they are stupid or just ignorant and ambivalent.

Ok, fine push and bang passed up the inside at druids, I’m literally 1s faster QT than second place who did that, thought they could out brake me, fine slot back in come up to the next corner, I’m on the inside keeping it tight as I know I want the run on the exit AND WHAM, just turns in at and I mean no offence to anyone but how you would with a controller, mash the brake stick full left knuckles white and then surprised I’m there.

I think it was just clumsy him and P3 definitely need to map the left stick presses to another button

But ill be honest it really sucks the fun out of the game when the majority of races are full of clumsy, poor driving, malicious poor driving or even worse malicious clumsy driving.

I’m really struggling to get motivated to race. What’s the point of sticking top 200 times in when p8 can see the gap 7 cars back and out brake you.

Sigh.

Use the Veyron. It's not so easy to push around.

 

[NevilleNobody]

They are just going to have to crack down harder. It will get annoying as a slight bump will see you heavily penalised then people will complain and we will start the circle again.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Thoroughly pointless, sure you don’t get murdered but then I just a solo 5 lap tour.

These are not balanced lobbies, and ill admit i should be more consistent so racing a little bit further up the DR but it is what it is.

I can start to see why some people I’d call “winners” will make that 6 car dive because in reality our pace is so spread I can’t see another way (obviously I can, but you all get the point)

There is also another dangerous GT driver “the knows it all” typically found not warming up “claiming everyone brakes to early” and muttering “bugger, bugger bugger….”

Usually they are at the back and reward themselves for “freebies” whilst single handedly nearly killing the whole field because “oops I missed my braking point”

I could write a very funny sketch about these dailies and awful drivers and YTs

I’m digressing.

The crux of the matter is, driving standards have dropped, a little post Christmas/A+ target tweaking maybe. But even in the better “quality” lobbies there seems to be more of an anger in the waters and this isn’t good it almost feels toxic.

I take this all a little more personal now and that’s on me but in VR the sense feel these impacts a bit differently, hard to describe but probably understandable if you’ve ever been prank frightened! The contact feels harder when you are “in the the space” vs bumper cam if that makes sense.

I’m waffling. Good night all, tv time with the wife and the little one is going to read me a story till I fall asleep

 

[Barney Da Dog]

It's a bit last week, sorry, but wish our own liveries had been useable on Race A. Likely the only chance I'd have had of racing this one..

Scraptona - of course you can't call it that in GT7 showcase 'cos it's got 'crap' in it 🙄

 

[Trk-el-son]

I just encountered a very clever and devious exploitation of the game:
Trying out the Brands race today, on the last lap I was catching up to this guy and expecting to overtake him. Yellow flag comes on, and with noone in front of him, he steppes on his brakes. I fly past him barely missing his behind, and instantly I am handed a 3 second penalty for overtaking during yellow flag. He could then drive home safely behind me, and get his position as I took the penalty.
Clever, huh?

 

[newmedia_dev]

I just encountered a very clever and devious exploitation of the game:
Trying out the Brands race today, on the last lap I was catching up to this guy and expecting to overtake him. Yellow flag comes on, and with noone in front of him, he steppes on his brakes. I fly past him barely missing his behind, and instantly I am handed a 3 second penalty for overtaking during yellow flag. He could then drive home safely behind me, and get his position as I took the penalty.
Clever, huh?

Been going on for years, to be fair most people apparently don’t notice the flag warnings and then moan about the penalties.

That he was quick enough to see the flag and slowing and you weren’t, it sucks but that’s more on you than him. Yellow flags slow down.

Ask SuperGT he missed a flag warning and was going to fast last year and couldn’t race Nurbs 24h.

Flags are important, positions aren’t.

 

[bone_tone]

Had a decent race at brands at lunch, managed about 12 mins of quali and managed to get down to a 31.7 in the lambo, started 10th and gained 6 spots, some nice clean close racing out there but it looks like I’ll need a 30 flat to be competitive so perhaps the G70 comes out tomorrow, need to try the 4c & megane too as they were in the vicinity

Race A looks a lot of fun, must make some time for that this week

I thought Race A would be the messy one, so went with Brands to start with - turned out that Brands was a bit dirty! I got rammed out in both races I did, but did manage to claw some places back.

Qualified with the G70, but then found the Alfa to be 0.5 secs quicker for me.

Entered a Race A, and found myself on pole 🫣 - luckily I managed to get away cleanly, left the scrapping behind me, and had an untroubled run to the chequered flag!

 

[newmedia_dev]

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Whoever put this little road in at Red Bull Ring, I owe you one!

Ask SuperGT he missed a flag warning and was going to fast last year and couldn’t race Nurbs 24h.

Flags are important, positions aren’t.

The annoying thing is that flags are meaningless on Gran Turismo, in real life a yellow flag means there is probably a car stopped in a dangerous position or people on the circuit so it's a safety issue that needs penalising.

In game because it ghosts everyone when they're stopped there is no safety issue so I don't blame people for driving through flat out, the yellow flag penalties seem inconsistent too, from what I've seen you can pass under yellow flags with no penalty at times (I guess up to 1 marshal post before the accident) so you're kind of driving blind.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Whoever put this little road in at Red Bull Ring, I owe you one!




The annoying thing is that flags are meaningless on Gran Turismo, in real life a yellow flag means there is probably a car stopped in a dangerous position or people on the circuit so it's a safety issue that needs penalising.

In game because it ghosts everyone when they're stopped there is no safety issue so I don't blame people for driving through flat out, the yellow flag penalties seem inconsistent too, from what I've seen you can pass under yellow flags with no penalty at times (I guess up to 1 marshal post before the accident) so you're kind of driving blind.

All fair especially real life, in the game I think you aren’t quite understanding how it does it.

In the top lobbies you are mosty passing spinners, the accidents are largely self inflicted and it’s perfectly fine in GT to drive passed the recovering (yellow flag car)

But in weaker lobbies the car control isn’t the same and yellows “may mean” an accident with less observational rejoin skills.

It is a very different thing to run through a ghost (which sometimes don’t bloody ghost) to passing a car under yellows, that you are racing who clearly wasn’t part of an accident.

The penalty and ghosting system is very wank but passing a car you are racing before the yellow flag car is simple enough to understand.

 

[Paulo Ribeiro]

Good evening.

Daily A: Daytona Tri-Oval (Plymouth Superbird)
Cool combo with enough fun.👍
The downside, Couldn't use my liveries and with so many other cars from the same period ingame, just the superbird.🙄


Daily B: Lago Maggiore (gr3)
Nice combo with enough fun.👍


Daily C: Mount Panorama (Gr4)
Another disaster! I could bet that the person setting the Gr4 events, is not the same that set the other events.
I keep saying this!

Since GTSport, that PD keeps using the FWD choice to a different kind of event on Gr4.
As I have said before, there are also the RWD, MR and AWD. Please stop doing always the same. Variety is good.
Using it is good for players.

The best choice would be, no mandatory pit stops, 18 laps and all tires available. This could be hot and fun.

Unfortunately, we had another one make event, boring and a pit stop again for... Nothing. What the hell.... 🤓🤡

Now, the usual repeating stuff:
Please make harder the penalty for the quitters, on both status.
If a car is so stupidly/ridiculously better/faster, there are ways to change it, I have said it a couple of times.
What is the point of having dozens of cars, if the players only use one?
Of course, we can blame the players, but we can as well, blame the game for doing... Nothing to change it.

Another week I didn't drive the Mazda3, nothing wrong or bad with that, soon would be a week that everyone will choose
the Audi TT and I will not drive the TT and will drive the Mazda again.😂


Have fun,
Cheers

 

[newmedia_dev]

Yellow flags broken but doing their thing.





In the second clip I go through a recovering ghost car, but he was just a bit of collateral damage to the actual yellow flag car.

So going through single crash ghosts is mostly fine, passing a car under a yellow is not fine. This really highlights how low situational awareness so many people have, so focused on over driving and achieving they can’t see the flags, flag board and screens and the big banner in the middle of the screen.

Mostly it’s a bit of a meh penalty, but arguably it’s one of the clearest insights in to how little racing people want to do, they just want to win and have tunnel vision, not ability just tunnel vision.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

All fair especially real life, in the game I think you aren’t quite understanding how it does it.

In the top lobbies you are mosty passing spinners, the accidents are largely self inflicted and it’s perfectly fine in GT to drive passed the recovering (yellow flag car)

But in weaker lobbies the car control isn’t the same and yellows “may mean” an accident with less observational rejoin skills.

It is a very different thing to run through a ghost (which sometimes don’t bloody ghost) to passing a car under yellows, that you are racing who clearly wasn’t part of an accident.

The penalty and ghosting system is very wank but passing a car you are racing before the yellow flag car is simple enough to understand.

I just don't think they're necessary on this game as long as ghosting is a thing, I really wish it wasn't but that's another discussion! And if overtaking is illegal it should also be a 1 second penalty for everybody who doesn't slow down significantly when passing the accident.

As it is now any spun car that would warrant a yellow flag is ghosted (or 99% of the time anyway except when it glitches) and by the time they've recovered to the road and become hittable again they have enough speed back that in a real race it should be covered by a white flag where passing is still legal.

Most of the time when I've got the yellow flag penalty it's been when I've been alongside the other car as the flags come out, it would be quite useful to have a little grace period so if you're a couple of seconds behind the accident you don't get penalised for a move that is pretty much already done.

 

[Jflijohn]

The "jumping" is basically your console receiving new information as to where they really are since the last time it got that information, and updating their position. Everything between jumps is effectively a guess as to where it is. This is latency in action.

In effect, the distance from @Tazzy-91 in Ireland to someone in far-flung Petropavlovsk is somewhere in the region of 7,250 miles (the Great Circle distance is far less, but internet tubes don't go that way; edit: maybe a couple of hundred miles less on the Polar Express cable) and it would take any data exchange between them at least 60ms but probably far more. That means at least four frames of guesswork, where the game takes the last known position, speed, and direction and just pretends that the car is in a certain place for those four frames before it gets the next information and it gets placed in a new known position before the next four+ frames of guessing.

It's basically because of geography and the speed of data.

Thanks for the reply, and that explains why most of my adversaries are from Canada and Brazil and very few from EU countries. Although its very annoying when the single bar latency pops up ahead of me, I have to say that its relatively infrequent.
I began playing Counter-Strike in 1999-2000 on a 56K modem with a lot of European countries late at night and the latency issues there were a real issue.

I’m done, I can’t race these people.

I’m not sure if they are stupid or just ignorant and ambivalent.

Ok, fine push and bang passed up the inside at druids, I’m literally 1s faster QT than second place who did that, thought they could out brake me, fine slot back in come up to the next corner, I’m on the inside keeping it tight as I know I want the run on the exit AND WHAM, just turns in at and I mean no offence to anyone but how you would with a controller, mash the brake stick full left knuckles white and then surprised I’m there.

I think it was just clumsy him and P3 definitely need to map the left stick presses to another button

But ill be honest it really sucks the fun out of the game when the majority of races are full of clumsy, poor driving, malicious poor driving or even worse malicious clumsy driving.

I’m really struggling to get motivated to race. What’s the point of sticking top 200 times in when p8 can see the gap 7 cars back and out brake you.

Sigh.

One reason I mainly race the longer C races is that the knuckle-head factor goes down substantially on longer races. They usually dive bomb on the first couple of turns and then rage-quit, people generally don't want to sacrifice a :25 race for an angry move, they still make ill-advised moves but fewer angry moves.

 

[Famine]

Thanks for the reply, and that explains why most of my adversaries are from Canada and Brazil and very few from EU countries.

In Daily Races there should be none from EU countries*. It's region-locked, so you'll only face players with Americas accounts*.


*That said, you can create an account in a different region with no bother at all, but it will only display a flag of a nation in the Americas region.